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47. no question that EXTREMIST violence has shifted far to the right over the last 40 years
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 08:42 AM
Sep 30

...and that a huge percentage of extremist violence has come from the right in the past few decades.

That's generalizing, but pretty close. That's what makes all of the recent incitement from the right from the president on down so consequential, especially since Trump's supporters have already proven to be e threat to actual democracy and cop lives.

What got me here has to do with ny own conviction that Trump had sparked a wave of rw violence that has made up practically all of the shootings, killings, and threats in recent months... almost.

I started a couple days ago with the report about the man who had threatened gay people over the Kirk killing, saying he wanted to kill them in disgusting detail. All on Trump, all on republicans and their trans-terror bullshit.

However, what I also found was that folks who aren't identifying as maga or rw are also, predictably getting animated by all of the hate and entreaties to divide. I saw an escalation in folks who are evidently suffering some kind of mental trauma or disability who are being sparked by all of the things most of us only jawbone about.

I hesitate to post them. Maybe I should, but I'm not there yet. I see more value in what Kelly is saying here. There may come a point where, like me, one recognizes in their own actions and attitudes that some of the things we expect from our political opponents need even more vigilence from those of us who care about such things as comity or non-violence.

Seeing that need out there, the one clear thing that I know I can do is adjust my own behavior, and I think that's a good exercise for everyone, from time to time, to check our own attiitudes and behavior and to make certain that there's not something we can do to help make things better.

So, not withstanding that Trump, maga, republicans, and the rw are some real assholes, it's clear to me that they're now bringing out some of the worst in people that I care about. I have two adult sons living with me, and I noticed long ago that even as my own principles and values are sound, more care is needed to provide a clear and strong example of what is right, and healthy for them.

As you can imagine, tempers run high with young folk who may not be accustomed to coming down from their anger in ways that don't hurt themselves or others. There isn't really room in that effort to indulge in open recrimination that stirs them or anyone else to emotions they may not be able to handle.

I have that ability, and the responsibility to keep them on the right track and to try and keep them from letting their anger come out in unproductive or threatening ways that could very well escalate into violence.

From my own experiences with antagonists in my life, I know there's really no bottom to hatred, and that good behavior must start with each of us, well before we expect others to comport with what we consider right or good.

In short, we can't expect idiots and assholes and the mentally unstable to take responsibility for their own actions, but I believe we can, and should.

Hope that helps.

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Angry white MAGA males are hunting down Americans. Irish_Dem Sep 29 #1
I went looking for that and found that it's becoming a back and forth thing bigtree Sep 29 #4
I cannot and will not give angry white MAGA males a pass. Irish_Dem Sep 29 #6
okay, no one here is actually doing that bigtree Sep 29 #10
This all feels like man splaining to me. ananda Sep 29 #15
jesus that's vile bigtree Sep 29 #18
This is what makes his lecturing us all the more perplexing. Irish_Dem Sep 30 #44
You made a post with a quote from Kelly about "Not Pointing Fingers" at the perps. Irish_Dem Sep 30 #43
And yes, I'm right there beside you! ananda Sep 29 #14
Have you noticed? Does not matter where, but we can't talk about angry white males, niyad Sep 29 #31
everyone can see that NO ONE here said don't talk about white males bigtree Sep 29 #32
I did not say any of those things, so kindly address your remarks to niyad Sep 29 #33
is it, now? bigtree Sep 29 #36
I know. ananda Sep 29 #34
If women, POC, LGBT were the shooters they would be eliminated. Irish_Dem Sep 30 #45
Right there with you! niyad Sep 29 #30
How about "you first" to maga. Klarkashton Sep 29 #2
how about us first? bigtree Sep 29 #7
I don't think so. Klarkashton Sep 29 #8
which murders? bigtree Sep 29 #21
But is the violence coming from the left? intheflow Sep 30 #46
no question that EXTREMIST violence has shifted far to the right over the last 40 years bigtree Sep 30 #47
To change behavior, multigraincracker Sep 29 #17
It's hard to find any good behavior in one particular 79 year old. Gimpyknee Sep 29 #40
We have been doing that for what? 45 years? Eko Sep 29 #25
I think that incitement is an important element bigtree Sep 29 #27
Ari Schaffer may have espoused the best action to take. Gimpyknee Sep 29 #41
More than anything, to me, it is a Relief to my mind, that it was not one of us. Nictuku Sep 29 #3
same bigtree Sep 29 #9
We will not hear jack shit from law enforcement gab13by13 Sep 29 #16
Yes, you are so very right. I would say this about most mass shooters. Srkdqltr Sep 29 #5
To write it off as "just evil" makes it sound like Satan made him do it, and that the answer Gaugamela Sep 29 #11
Kelly is intimately familiar with gun violence bigtree Sep 29 #12
I've found that 95% of religions are authoritarian. multigraincracker Sep 29 #23
I do prefer when we yelled about mental healthcare and guns. Silent Type Sep 29 #13
But that was when we thought it mattered. ananda Sep 29 #19
what about the ones that aren't white maga? bigtree Sep 29 #24
Back to the when they go low we go high BS. Autumn Sep 29 #20
With respect to Kelly and Gifford and their experience, this is not the way. You can't solve a problem you can't or Iris Sep 29 #22
should we name the motives of folks who are perpetrating violence who aren't maga bigtree Sep 29 #26
This is a societal problem that needs to be addressed holistically and not just as crime and punishment scenario Iris Sep 29 #28
actually he labled the act as evil bigtree Sep 29 #29
The act is certanly evil... ananda Sep 29 #37
I agree and incitement to violence should continue to be called out. bigtree Sep 29 #39
I'm sorry but I don't believe this is a both sides thing ecstatic Sep 29 #35
there is a good deal of political violence that isn't coming from the rw bigtree Sep 29 #38
Have you noticed that every time trump is in office Keepthesoulalive Sep 29 #42
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