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Bernardo de La Paz

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9. Not speculaton: fact that Sanford & Nazis did similar thing. It's factless speculation he was moved by Kirk's killing.

Reply to canetoad (Reply #4)

Mon Sep 29, 2025, 06:12 PM

Sep 29

In your OP you say "theory" applied to your connection between church burning and Nazis. That is a theory based on the observation that Sanford burnt a church with people inside and the Nazis did the same.

Your theory about the connection does not require that Sanford to be motivated by Kirk's killing. I did not discuss your theory, but I do now at the end.

The speculation without facts about Kirk has been repeated enough times that people are beginning to believe it like fake news. That's how fake news and conspiracy theories get started. Idle speculation is repeated enough times that people lower their guard.

There are no facts regarding Sanford's motive with regard to Kirk. Plenty of facts regarding his hatred of Mormons.

There ARE facts prompting your theory comparing the involvement of churches in Sanford's and Nazi's crimes. So it is a reasonable theory you have, because the terror and cruelty involved are similar.

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I think the burning of the church was a message (Michigan) [View all] canetoad Sep 29 OP

Christian on Christian crime JustAnotherGen Sep 29 #1

If you have credible evidence that Sanford was "angered by the shooting of Kirk", then post it. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 29 #2

Theory, Bernardo canetoad Sep 29 #4

I'm uncomfortable with the comparison to the Heydrich assassination. WarGamer Sep 29 #6

I agree with you canetoad Sep 29 #20

It's tribalism.... WarGamer Sep 29 #22

Not speculaton: fact that Sanford & Nazis did similar thing. It's factless speculation he was moved by Kirk's killing. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 29 #9

He did target a Mormon church, not just a church. The timing merits speculation 617Blue Sep 29 #8

There is no dispute he hated mormons. As to timing, who knows, and yes it is only speculation. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 29 #13

Bernardo, the OP was clearly speculating and discussing an idea. Irish_Dem Sep 29 #11

+1000 BeerBarrelPolka Sep 29 #14

I have no beef with the theory on connecting church fires; it is based on observation. The speculation on Kirk's Bernardo de La Paz Sep 29 #15

Science is based on getting feedback for one's theories. Irish_Dem Sep 29 #17

Science is based on facts & observations. Speculation can inspire science but is not a THEORY & not science per se Bernardo de La Paz Sep 29 #18

This is not correct. Irish_Dem Sep 29 #19

Speculation inspires (starts) science but is not science. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 29 #23

As a big fan of history and one who has read books on the topic and stood at the spot of the assasination in Prague... WarGamer Sep 29 #3

It was a far right lunatic, but Vogon_Glory Sep 29 #10

Part of the problem of these run of the mill psychopaths Prairie Gates Sep 29 #5

No, the old ghosts aren't dead. Mormon persecution is reviving Vogon_Glory Sep 29 #7

I agree the shooter was sending a big message. Irish_Dem Sep 29 #12

..unrelated to the assassination of James Jesse Strang thomski64 Sep 29 #16

Haven't heard about that canetoad Sep 29 #21