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7. Agree, although certainly the gun culture as a whole...

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Fri Sep 12, 2025, 04:31 PM

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can be considered both a national tragedy and a disgrace.

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This is NOT a national tragedy! [View all] edhopper Sep 12 OP

I'd sure like to know what's behind it n/t leftstreet Sep 12 #1

It's a RW influencer tragedy! And personal tragedy for his family. LeftInTX Sep 12 #2

Well, since his children are 1 and 3, TNNurse Sep 12 #21

Yikes. They'll be tramatized by it over time MadameButterfly Sep 12 #25

They'd be equally traumatized if he lived. paleotn Sep 12 #35

and they'd be reallly lousy human beings MadameButterfly Sep 12 #36

Exactly. paleotn Sep 12 #45

Not necessarily. Trump is a Grade A prick. 3Hotdogs Sep 12 #59

I share that sentiment. yellow dahlia Sep 12 #77

Post removed Post removed Sep 12 #81

I was 10 when my father died. TNNurse Sep 12 #57

Their mother is no less bigoted Random Boomer Sep 13 #93

He said if his daughter was raped at 10 JenniferJuniper Sep 12 #37

I hope, when she is of age, she learns that. intrepidity Sep 12 #79

Absolutely! Bayard Sep 12 #3

Our media is broken. spanone Sep 12 #4

As is our country, in large part because of the media. Eliot Rosewater Sep 12 #6

Most who voted for thr Felon in Chief Dark n Stormy Knight Sep 13 #96

Excellent way of putting it, and even though it's been shown to them Eliot Rosewater Sep 13 #102

That is what will forever blow my mind. Dark n Stormy Knight Sep 13 #112

How would you go about fixing it? (n.t.) Oeditpus Rex Sep 12 #49

I have no clue. Journalism appears dead. spanone Sep 12 #51

As separate statements, those coroborate each other. (n.t.) Oeditpus Rex Sep 12 #62

I don't think political killings are good for nation, no matter how you cut it. Whether it's an incel, trumspter, Antifa Silent Type Sep 12 #5

Political killings may not be good for the country, PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 12 #13

That is definitely a good outcome, especially if it doesn't hurt us in elections. Silent Type Sep 12 #17

It might. hurts us in elections MadameButterfly Sep 12 #26

If it's a true that this was Right-on-Right violence, I am not sure how it hurts us at the ballot box. nt Gore1FL Sep 12 #71

if that message gets through to the MAGAs MadameButterfly Sep 12 #76

I totally agree. Khrushchev said, and we are seeing it. phxjurist Sep 12 #18

What in the OP says it's good? dpibel Sep 12 #20

OP says it ranks low on assassination meter, I disagree. I think trumpsters take it seriously and Silent Type Sep 12 #24

But treating Kirk like a Kennedy MadameButterfly Sep 12 #28

Not a POTUS or Senator etc leftstreet Sep 12 #29

It does. edhopper Sep 12 #42

It ranks high because most everyone viewed it instead of just reading about it womanofthehills Sep 13 #87

Did I say it was good edhopper Sep 12 #41

Pretty much said it ranked low on totem pole. But it's not that big a deal. If I remember, WW2 started with Silent Type Sep 12 #44

That was WWI not WWII MLWR Sep 12 #48

Who was heir to the throne Nasruddin Sep 12 #72

Nah, it wasn't lonely bird Sep 13 #92

That was WWI edhopper Sep 12 #54

Not quite accurate. Torchlight Sep 13 #97

He was not a small figure womanofthehills Sep 13 #88

It wasn't a "political killing" or a political assassination. It was an internecine battle between cults. erronis Sep 12 #56

But it's looking like this wasn't even a political killing . . . markpkessinger Sep 12 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author COL Mustard Sep 13 #90

There once was a time where people generally agreed that all ideas should be tested with 'exposure to sunlight' ClaudetteCC Sep 13 #95

Agree, although certainly the gun culture as a whole... ananda Sep 12 #7

Our media is gone AStern Sep 12 #8

The only national tragedy I see here is that ... pat_k Sep 12 #9

I like your "perhaps every governor..." argument. calimary Sep 12 #52

I'm writing a message to WA Gov Bob Ferguson's office pat_k Sep 12 #60

I'd guess every outlet in the political online universe has somebody keeping an eye out. calimary Sep 12 #66

I'm waiting for tsf to have his casket interred on the WH lawn. rubbersole Sep 12 #10

We'll do a Cromwell on him once we take that house back. paleotn Sep 12 #38

How 'bout the front gate... rubbersole Sep 12 #80

They made it a huge deal because they thought it would be a good StarryNite Sep 12 #11

They are looking for excuses to MadameButterfly Sep 12 #30

Hell, they were desperate for him to be that! (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Sep 13 #89

My mom and dad voted for John Kennedy. That asshat was no John Kennedy Bengus81 Sep 12 #12

The media mentions the trauma of his brutal murder Mtnmama Sep 12 #14

"Why haven't we done anything to address the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction?" Dulcinea Sep 12 #32

None of my family, neighbors or friends knew who he was before this week wishstar Sep 12 #15

I consider myself fairly knowledgeable about politics in general. llmart Sep 12 #64

time to spend the evening with a book NJCher Sep 12 #16

I only saw it channel surfing edhopper Sep 12 #19

I'm done with MSNBC and CNN AverageOldGuy Sep 12 #22

I'm clinging to MSNBC with all its faults MadameButterfly Sep 12 #33

AFAIAC, charlie kirk is already buried. lastlib Sep 12 #23

Way over the top coverage for just one killing. Emile Sep 12 #27

Well he was a big fish in the right wing sewer. Conjuay Sep 12 #67

I assure you I have gone about my life very normally these last few days Justice Brandeis Sep 12 #31

Um. Any relation? MadameButterfly Sep 12 #34

I just saw a clip where Charlie Kirk said we need to bring back public executions, and they should be televised.. crimycarny Sep 12 #39

YEP. Where was all this mourning and martyring when the two Dems and their dog ... CousinIT Sep 12 #40

Well, the world lost an irreplaceable giant dalton99a Sep 12 #43

CK is the victim of a MAGA civil war. Sneederbunk Sep 12 #46

And there is certainly more coverage of this bullshit than there EVER is with mass school shootings. BigDemVoter Sep 12 #47

Since the right wing controls most media now Diraven Sep 12 #50

While it's true that in both cases there was zero chance of survival from the type of wounds... Montauk6 Sep 12 #53

I can't even watch msnbc anymore kimbutgar Sep 12 #55

I turned it off after the election too BlueSpot Sep 12 #83

Ah grasshopper, it is a tragedy that they call it a tragedy. twodogsbarking Sep 12 #58

It's nauseating. nt mcar Sep 12 #61

The tragedy EnergizedLib Sep 12 #65

How is Kirk's death any different than the daily deaths, in America, from gun violence? dlk Sep 12 #68

I tuned into the Bears-Pack game Hassler Sep 12 #69

It's the sudden canonization of Kirk that I find nauseating. That he died tragically does not change that. SunSeeker Sep 12 #70

40000 gun deaths a year and this was the BIG ONE? Give me a fucking break. NoMoreRepugs Sep 12 #73

The first time that Republicans have responded to a school shooting RainCaster Sep 12 #74

I'm genuinely pissed off at all the businesses, etc., flying the flag bullwinkle428 Sep 12 #75

I don't know if I'd agree with that assessment. I can see the argument that it's a national tragedy in a couple ways. Jedi Guy Sep 12 #78

Nope, not a national tragedy. Just another gun nut killing, and the person killed supported gun nuts. Martin68 Sep 12 #82

It may well turn out to be a national tragedy soldierant Sep 13 #84

Yes. I just pleaded my spouse to turn off KCAL 9. C Moon Sep 13 #85

It is a national tragedy. Aussie105 Sep 13 #86

No Not In The Least - and let me just point out one minor detail - Lokee11 Sep 13 #91

Agreed. I remember much less outcry when Squeaky Fromme shot at Gerald Ford. no_hypocrisy Sep 13 #94

Kirk's death is absolutely simply one among thousands. BobTheSubgenius Sep 13 #98

I think... SickOfTheOnePct Sep 13 #99

Do you know think it warrants edhopper Sep 13 #103

No SickOfTheOnePct Sep 13 #113

Melissa Hortman. Scrivener7 Sep 13 #100

It's Just the Unremarkable Death Of Yet Another Hatemonger MrWowWow Sep 13 #101

I never heard of him before this week. milestogo Sep 13 #104

This is part of the national tragedy... returnee Sep 13 #105

Except edhopper Sep 13 #107

That's the story... returnee Sep 13 #111

My neighbor, three doors down, has his American flag at half mast. Turbineguy Sep 13 #106

It is a litmus test. edhopper Sep 13 #108

There are 188 houses in our subdivision. Turbineguy Sep 13 #109

I'm glad to say I didn't waste one second watching any M$M coverage of any of it Blue Owl Sep 13 #110