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In reply to the discussion: The fall of Israel [View all]muriel_volestrangler
(105,091 posts)188. About Defendant
        Accused Last Name
Netanyahu
Accused First Name
Benjamin
Charges
Allegedly responsible for the war crimes of starvation as a method of warfare and of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts from at least 8 October 2023 until at least 20 May 2024.
https://www.icc-cpi.int/defendant/netanyahu
Netanyahu
Accused First Name
Benjamin
Charges
Allegedly responsible for the war crimes of starvation as a method of warfare and of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts from at least 8 October 2023 until at least 20 May 2024.
https://www.icc-cpi.int/defendant/netanyahu
The Chamber considered that there are reasonable grounds to believe that both individuals intentionally and knowingly deprived the civilian population in Gaza of objects indispensable to their survival, including food, water, and medicine and medical supplies, as well as fuel and electricity, from at least 8 October 2023 to 20 May 2024. This finding is based on the role of Mr Netanyahu and Mr Gallant in impeding humanitarian aid in violation of international humanitarian law and their failure to facilitate relief by all means at its disposal. The Chamber found that their conduct led to the disruption of the ability of humanitarian organisations to provide food and other essential goods to the population in need in Gaza. The aforementioned restrictions together with cutting off electricity and reducing fuel supply also had a severe impact on the availability of water in Gaza and the ability of hospitals to provide medical care.
The Chamber also noted that decisions allowing or increasing humanitarian assistance into Gaza were often conditional. They were not made to fulfil Israels obligations under international humanitarian law or to ensure that the civilian population in Gaza would be adequately supplied with goods in need. In fact, they were a response to the pressure of the international community or requests by the United States of America. In any event, the increases in humanitarian assistance were not sufficient to improve the populations access to essential goods.
Furthermore, the Chamber found reasonable grounds to believe that no clear military need or other justification under international humanitarian law could be identified for the restrictions placed on access for humanitarian relief operations. Despite warnings and appeals made by, inter alia, the UN Security Council, UN Secretary General, States, and governmental and civil society organisations about the humanitarian situation in Gaza, only minimal humanitarian assistance was authorised. In this regard, the Chamber considered the prolonged period of deprivation and Mr Netanyahus statement connecting the halt in the essential goods and humanitarian aid with the goals of war.
The Chamber therefore found reasonable grounds to believe that Mr Netanyahu and Mr Gallant bear criminal responsibility for the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare.
The Chamber found that there are reasonable grounds to believe that the lack of food, water, electricity and fuel, and specific medical supplies, created conditions of life calculated to bring about the destruction of part of the civilian population in Gaza, which resulted in the death of civilians, including children due to malnutrition and dehydration. On the basis of material presented by the Prosecution covering the period until 20 May 2024, the Chamber could not determine that all elements of the crime against humanity of extermination were met. However, the Chamber did find that there are reasonable grounds to believe that the crime against humanity of murder was committed in relation to these victims.
In addition, by intentionally limiting or preventing medical supplies and medicine from getting into Gaza, in particular anaesthetics and anaesthesia machines, the two individuals are also responsible for inflicting great suffering by means of inhumane acts on persons in need of treatment. Doctors were forced to operate on wounded persons and carry out amputations, including on children, without anaesthetics, and/or were forced to use inadequate and unsafe means to sedate patients, causing these persons extreme pain and suffering. This amounts to the crime against humanity of other inhumane acts.
The Chamber also found reasonable grounds to believe that the abovementioned conduct deprived a significant portion of the civilian population in Gaza of their fundamental rights, including the rights to life and health, and that the population was targeted based on political and/or national grounds. It therefore found that the crime against humanity of persecution was committed.
Finally, the Chamber assessed that there are reasonable grounds to believe that Mr Netanyahu and Mr Gallant bear criminal responsibility as civilian superiors for the war crime of intentionally directing attacks against the civilian population of Gaza. In this regard, the Chamber found that the material provided by the Prosecution only allowed it to make findings on two incidents that qualified as attacks that were intentionally directed against civilians. Reasonable grounds to believe exist that Mr Netanyahu and Mr Gallant, despite having measures available to them to prevent or repress the commission of crimes or ensure the submittal of the matter to the competent authorities, failed to do so.
https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/situation-state-palestine-icc-pre-trial-chamber-i-rejects-state-israels-challenges
The Chamber also noted that decisions allowing or increasing humanitarian assistance into Gaza were often conditional. They were not made to fulfil Israels obligations under international humanitarian law or to ensure that the civilian population in Gaza would be adequately supplied with goods in need. In fact, they were a response to the pressure of the international community or requests by the United States of America. In any event, the increases in humanitarian assistance were not sufficient to improve the populations access to essential goods.
Furthermore, the Chamber found reasonable grounds to believe that no clear military need or other justification under international humanitarian law could be identified for the restrictions placed on access for humanitarian relief operations. Despite warnings and appeals made by, inter alia, the UN Security Council, UN Secretary General, States, and governmental and civil society organisations about the humanitarian situation in Gaza, only minimal humanitarian assistance was authorised. In this regard, the Chamber considered the prolonged period of deprivation and Mr Netanyahus statement connecting the halt in the essential goods and humanitarian aid with the goals of war.
The Chamber therefore found reasonable grounds to believe that Mr Netanyahu and Mr Gallant bear criminal responsibility for the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare.
The Chamber found that there are reasonable grounds to believe that the lack of food, water, electricity and fuel, and specific medical supplies, created conditions of life calculated to bring about the destruction of part of the civilian population in Gaza, which resulted in the death of civilians, including children due to malnutrition and dehydration. On the basis of material presented by the Prosecution covering the period until 20 May 2024, the Chamber could not determine that all elements of the crime against humanity of extermination were met. However, the Chamber did find that there are reasonable grounds to believe that the crime against humanity of murder was committed in relation to these victims.
In addition, by intentionally limiting or preventing medical supplies and medicine from getting into Gaza, in particular anaesthetics and anaesthesia machines, the two individuals are also responsible for inflicting great suffering by means of inhumane acts on persons in need of treatment. Doctors were forced to operate on wounded persons and carry out amputations, including on children, without anaesthetics, and/or were forced to use inadequate and unsafe means to sedate patients, causing these persons extreme pain and suffering. This amounts to the crime against humanity of other inhumane acts.
The Chamber also found reasonable grounds to believe that the abovementioned conduct deprived a significant portion of the civilian population in Gaza of their fundamental rights, including the rights to life and health, and that the population was targeted based on political and/or national grounds. It therefore found that the crime against humanity of persecution was committed.
Finally, the Chamber assessed that there are reasonable grounds to believe that Mr Netanyahu and Mr Gallant bear criminal responsibility as civilian superiors for the war crime of intentionally directing attacks against the civilian population of Gaza. In this regard, the Chamber found that the material provided by the Prosecution only allowed it to make findings on two incidents that qualified as attacks that were intentionally directed against civilians. Reasonable grounds to believe exist that Mr Netanyahu and Mr Gallant, despite having measures available to them to prevent or repress the commission of crimes or ensure the submittal of the matter to the competent authorities, failed to do so.
https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/situation-state-palestine-icc-pre-trial-chamber-i-rejects-state-israels-challenges
Israel committing genocide in Gaza, say Israel-based human rights groups
Two leading human rights organisations based in Israel, BTselem and Physicians for Human Rights, say Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza and the countrys western allies have a legal and moral duty to stop it.
In reports published on Monday, the two groups said Israel had targeted civilians in Gaza only because of their identity as Palestinians over nearly two years of war, causing severe and in some cases irreparable damage to Palestinian society.
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What we see is a clear, intentional attack on civilians in order to destroy a group, said Yuli Novak, the director of BTselem, calling for urgent action. I think every human being has to ask himself: what do you do in the face of genocide?
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The destruction of the healthcare system alone makes the war genocidal under article 2c of the genocide convention, which prohibits deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to destroy a group in whole or part, said its [Physicians for Human Rights] director, Guy Shalev.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/28/israel-committing-genocide-in-gaza-say-israel-based-human-rights-groups
Two leading human rights organisations based in Israel, BTselem and Physicians for Human Rights, say Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza and the countrys western allies have a legal and moral duty to stop it.
In reports published on Monday, the two groups said Israel had targeted civilians in Gaza only because of their identity as Palestinians over nearly two years of war, causing severe and in some cases irreparable damage to Palestinian society.
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What we see is a clear, intentional attack on civilians in order to destroy a group, said Yuli Novak, the director of BTselem, calling for urgent action. I think every human being has to ask himself: what do you do in the face of genocide?
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The destruction of the healthcare system alone makes the war genocidal under article 2c of the genocide convention, which prohibits deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to destroy a group in whole or part, said its [Physicians for Human Rights] director, Guy Shalev.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/28/israel-committing-genocide-in-gaza-say-israel-based-human-rights-groups
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        Haven't seen any public protests here in the states.  Have you? I've only seen how pro-Palestine protesters are ARRESTED
        Exp
        Jul 2025
        #70
      
        
        Almost every Jewish person I know in real life has been protesting Israel for decades.
        yardwork
        Jul 2025
        #169
      
        
        I said that they are not out protesting! With signs, in large organized groups.  nt
        Exp
        Jul 2025
        #179
      
        
        That is inaccurate in so many areas while trying to create an argument that seems plausible.  No one is buying it. We
        Exp
        Jul 2025
        #233
      
        
        Yes, and many were at the student protests that were banned and criminalized. Hope none of them are in jail..
        AloeVera
        Jul 2025
        #74
      
        
        Ummm...not sure of that...just a few hundred miles up the road in Syria in WWI via the Ottoman Govt. 
        LeftInTX
        Jul 2025
        #250
      
        
        Armenia didn't exist back then!    Palestinians and Armenians were part of the Ottoman Empire.  
        LeftInTX
        Jul 2025
        #274
      
        
        I saw the polls and tend to agree with you.  I follow the Times of Israel and have seen some of their polls.
        LeftInTX
        Jul 2025
        #280
      
        
        Seems the establshent of Israel as a Jewsh state did it. The next thought that comes to mind...
        brush
        Jul 2025
        #278
      
        
        You forgot to add Abortions... which are legal and funded by the government, which we fund.
        William Gustafson
        Jul 2025
        #124
      
        
        Consequences for the obvious war crimes and ethnic cleansng will be felt for decades.
        brush
        Jul 2025
        #4
      
        
        It's unfortunate, not fair, but Netanyahu's/IDF war crimes are seen by the world which notices...
        brush
        Jul 2025
        #12
      
        
        I see what you're saying. Perhaps it's because the US is complicit in supplying the weapons used by...
        brush
        Jul 2025
        #31
      
        
        The suggestion that the fabulously wealthy Arab nations need our help is laughable.
        yardwork
        Jul 2025
        #190
      
        
        Ridiculous. Oil wealth does not buy them the superior US weapons that Israel uses to...
        brush
        Jul 2025
        #207
      
        
        Please. Stop degending ethnic cleansing, starvation and killing people daily who line up trying to get food and water.
        brush
        Jul 2025
        #243
      
        
        Isreel itself conflates. AIPAC conflates. The new definition of anti-semitism conflates.
        AloeVera
        Jul 2025
        #76
      
        
        " Non-Israeli Jews really should look at their unwavering support for Israel"
        sarisataka
        Jul 2025
        #78
      
        
        Not one mainstream US Jewish organization or leader spoke out during the war.
        AloeVera
        Jul 2025
        #112
      
        
        This seems to fly in the face of what was said about the protests supporting the Palestinians
        sarisataka
        Jul 2025
        #114
      
        
        Surely you know the meaning of mainstream and the role of leaders in a community?
        AloeVera
        Jul 2025
        #127
      
        
        I'm thinking...despite the fact that Israel Does Have a Mixed Population w Non-Jews it Still is The Jewish State, ...
        electric_blue68
        Jul 2025
        #25
      
        
        I never held all Muslims responsible for Islamic terrorists actions. I hold Netanyahu, and certain IDF troops...
        electric_blue68
        Jul 2025
        #107
      
        
        Antisemitism has existed for centuries.  Jews have never brought it on themselves.
        TomSlick
        Jul 2025
        #109
      
        
        I am basing my opinion on the number of times I read "Antisemitism is wrong"
        sarisataka
        Jul 2025
        #116
      
        
        I have seen people say that antisemitism is on the rise in part due to the actions of Israel against Gaza.
        Eko
        Jul 2025
        #125
      
        
        Sure but those regular Isrealis are supporting the government in this genocide.
        erodriguez
        Jul 2025
        #130
      
        
        Easy guess is the same reason that people who are "anti-Israel" are labeled as "anti-semetic" by Israelis.  nt
        Exp
        Jul 2025
        #67
      
        
        Americans elected Trump and continue to support his horrific border policies.
        yardwork
        Jul 2025
        #183
      
        
        Go ahead if you want to, but it's pretty obvious that the attacks are connected to heinous war crimes against the Gazan
        brush
        Jul 2025
        #69
      
        
        that question begs this one/ Are we US citizens responsable for (some of) the effects of the bombs drop on Gaza
        Vthestate
        Jul 2025
        #15
      
        
        The difference being that no one here said the anti-Muslim hate was understandable
        mcar
        Jul 2025
        #248
      
        
        Why are you speculating about opinions I've never expressed and that are not relevant to the OP?
        snot
        Jul 2025
        #75
      
        
        So us Hungarians can go back to the Ural mountain region, claim it as our ancestral homeland
        AloeVera
        Jul 2025
        #50
      
        
        It wasn't Balfour that physically drovebout the Palestinians, burned their villages etc
        AloeVera
        Jul 2025
        #59
      
        
        My rabbi and synagogue have official statements regarding Israel's right wing government
        Mossfern
        Jul 2025
        #211
      
        
        Palestine is the regional name, it was not the name used for the political states that occupied the area.
        lees1975
        Jul 2025
        #215
      
        
        Yes, the Jewish people were expelled from Palestine by the Romans, the biggest exile occurring after 70 A.D.
        lees1975
        Jul 2025
        #133
      
        
        If we were a just country right now, we'd be showing Netanyahu what we used to do to terrorists.
        Initech
        Jul 2025
        #23
      
        
        It's almost the whole Congress who keeps voting to give Israel unlimited money
        womanofthehills
        Jul 2025
        #47
      
        
        I hold back because this is the goal of Hamas/Palestinians. To sacrifice their kids in order to discredit Israel
        Pompoy
        Jul 2025
        #29
      
        
        Do not equate Palestinian victims with Hamas terrorists. Not the same thing. That's like saying...
        brush
        Jul 2025
        #39
      
        
        The perpetrators and defenders  of the atrocities are "playing the victim" when challenged
        Ping Tung
        Jul 2025
        #193
      
        
        They love their kids - you can see how loving the father's are to their kids
        womanofthehills
        Jul 2025
        #68
      
        
        And I'm saying that the Palestinians share even greater responsibility for this disaster. It's what they want.
        Pompoy
        Jul 2025
        #226
      
        
        In a normal world, Israel should be treated as a beloved family member suffering
        Maru Kitteh
        Jul 2025
        #30
      
        
        In my opinion, Biden should have withheld awesome offensive weapons from the Israelis.
        Intractable
        Jul 2025
        #238
      
        
        Lol. Gaza was independent, why was it the Gazans who attacked and not the West Bank Palestinians?
        Pompoy
        Jul 2025
        #227
      
        
        It's not an accident,  & not due to one maniacal Bibi Netanhayu...but decades of policies with an intended purpose.
        Passages
        Jul 2025
        #72
      
        
        Sad to say, but that would have worked out better in the long run for everybody. As in the Balkans etc
        Pompoy
        Jul 2025
        #228
      
        
        Although the Arabs who stayed in Israel are doing ok, doctors, scientists, politicians, tv presenters.
        Pompoy
        Jul 2025
        #229
      
        
        Lol, lighten up Frances. Obviously Israel hasn't done any ethnic cleansing. That's why things are as they are now.
        Pompoy
        Jul 2025
        #255
      
        
        This is a great post but the speaking out should have started about 22 months ago. Even decades ago.
        AloeVera
        Jul 2025
        #73
      
        
        The college kids have been screaming about this, but their message was branded by others to be antisemitism.
        mjvpi
        Jul 2025
        #105
      
        
        What was done to the college protesters was terrible. Branded, criminalized, banned, jailed, lost jobs, deported.
        AloeVera
        Jul 2025
        #115
      
        
        I agree totally. In my opinion, Biden's blind support of Israeli actions cost the Dems the election.
        mjvpi
        Jul 2025
        #119
      
        
        Respectfully, knowing what Trump was like, knowing he could be no-holds-barred bc 2nd term it was wrong to stay home...
        electric_blue68
        Jul 2025
        #156
      
        
        I'll vouch for that. Most young people I know refused to vote for that reason
        vanessa_ca
        Jul 2025
        #161
      
        
        More here: 2004 The plans were all there, you merely need to follow the time line.
        Passages
        Jul 2025
        #102
      
        
        The US and any other country who have armed Israel is just as responsible for the needless murder going on
        ImNotGod
        Jul 2025
        #142
      
        
        I'm so old that I remember when there was a country of Palestine. Dafuq happened to it?
        OMGWTF
        Jul 2025
        #180
      
        
        The "country" was the UK and if you born before 1920, it was the Ottoman Empire.  
        LeftInTX
        Jul 2025
        #263
      
        
        I'm not anti Israel but sho nuff anti BB, America would turn into same thing under 1 or 3 Trump admins...
        uponit7771
        Jul 2025
        #199
      
        
        netanyahoou is clinging to power + resists a 2 state solution + pushes settlements.
        pansypoo53219
        Jul 2025
        #203
      
        
        Mandy Patinkin is both articulate and emotional on the blowback to all Jews that Netanyahu is driving.
        SleeplessinSoCal
        Jul 2025
        #219
      
        
        You hit the nail on the head EndlessWire. The architects of the Balfour Declaration should have
        akbacchus_BC
        Jul 2025
        #289
      
  