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lees1975

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133. Yes, the Jewish people were expelled from Palestine by the Romans, the biggest exile occurring after 70 A.D.
Sun Jul 27, 2025, 11:00 PM
Jul 2025

If you want to keep going back, on a claim that the original inhabitants should be restored to their homeland, then the descendants of the Canaanite population that existed there when, according to the Old Testament narrative, the land was promised to Abraham and his descendants, should lay claim to the land.

And historically, it's a far reach to recognize the ownership of land by a nation conquered and exiled from it for over 1,500 years. That sets some precedents that Americans probably don't want to discuss or acknowledge.

The fact is that the Arabic population living there when the Balfour declaration was made have a longer history as the occupants and owners of the land that is now the nation of Israel, along with the West Bank and Gaza Strip, than any other people group who lived there, including the Jews.

I'm not saying that the Jewish population doesn't belong there, decisions have been made by world powers in modern times that have led us to this point. But all of that history, especially since 1946, has caused the violence and terrorism that has left the region in virtually constant warfare, and is the cause behind both October 7, and the retaliation occurring against Gaza. It was going to be a big problem moving in the bulk of the world's Jewish population to a land occupied by a majority Muslim and minority Christian population and it doesn't seem like much advanced planning was done to work for a solution that would have benefitted everyone, and not caused the displacement, poverty and violence that this did.

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The fall of Israel [View all] EndlessWire Jul 2025 OP
There are many Israelis and Jews worldwide who decry this biophile Jul 2025 #1
Haven't seen any public protests here in the states. Have you? I've only seen how pro-Palestine protesters are ARRESTED Exp Jul 2025 #70
Almost every Jewish person I know in real life has been protesting Israel for decades. yardwork Jul 2025 #169
I said that they are not out protesting! With signs, in large organized groups. nt Exp Jul 2025 #179
They certainly are! yardwork Jul 2025 #181
That is inaccurate in so many areas while trying to create an argument that seems plausible. No one is buying it. We Exp Jul 2025 #233
lol! You can't think of any example of how it's wrong? yardwork Jul 2025 #240
Yes, and many were at the student protests that were banned and criminalized. Hope none of them are in jail.. AloeVera Jul 2025 #74
Or at least some. enid602 Jul 2025 #202
Many? OrangeJoe Jul 2025 #159
The never ending problem in the Middle East. travelingthrulife Jul 2025 #166
Not really true OrangeJoe Jul 2025 #197
Ummm...not sure of that...just a few hundred miles up the road in Syria in WWI via the Ottoman Govt. LeftInTX Jul 2025 #250
Pics of the Armenian Genocide? N/T AloeVera Jul 2025 #251
Yes LeftInTX Jul 2025 #252
You're casting a very wide net OrangeJoe Jul 2025 #266
Armenia didn't exist back then! Palestinians and Armenians were part of the Ottoman Empire. LeftInTX Jul 2025 #274
Interesting and informative OrangeJoe Jul 2025 #279
I saw the polls and tend to agree with you. I follow the Times of Israel and have seen some of their polls. LeftInTX Jul 2025 #280
Here's an interesting article: LeftInTX Jul 2025 #282
Seems the establshent of Israel as a Jewsh state did it. The next thought that comes to mind... brush Jul 2025 #278
I think it's more than that. Heck Egypt attacked Israel numerous times. LeftInTX Jul 2025 #281
Perhaps just a return to the region by Jews from other lands after the war... brush Jul 2025 #283
I don't trust any polls involving Netanyahu's government. yardwork Jul 2025 #171
Not the case here OrangeJoe Jul 2025 #198
First I hear that everybody in Israel is on board with Netanyahu, then... yardwork Jul 2025 #239
Not sure what you are asking OrangeJoe Jul 2025 #247
The government of Israel KT2000 Jul 2025 #2
Why? RobinA Jul 2025 #216
Well, maybe, but I am inclined to believe it started with the 3rd creature. :) Dan Jul 2025 #220
Cold dispassion? iemanja Jul 2025 #287
We need to stop the amount of our dollars given to Israel Duncanpup Jul 2025 #3
You forgot to add Abortions... which are legal and funded by the government, which we fund. William Gustafson Jul 2025 #124
This message was self-deleted by its author Rebl2 Jul 2025 #168
It's important to check your sources and facts before you post Mossfern Jul 2025 #186
We need to stop the billions in tax deals to billionaires. yardwork Jul 2025 #184
Consequences for the obvious war crimes and ethnic cleansng will be felt for decades. brush Jul 2025 #4
Why are Jews held responsible for the actions of Israel? sarisataka Jul 2025 #7
Tradition JoseBalow Jul 2025 #10
It's unfortunate, not fair, but Netanyahu's/IDF war crimes are seen by the world which notices... brush Jul 2025 #12
I do not disagree with your evaluation of Netanyahu sarisataka Jul 2025 #24
I see what you're saying. Perhaps it's because the US is complicit in supplying the weapons used by... brush Jul 2025 #31
+ 100 the US supplied the weapons. nt cliffside Jul 2025 #53
Wait, wait.... Mossfern Jul 2025 #189
"Is the US now a Jewish nation?" What are you talking about? brush Jul 2025 #205
The suggestion that the fabulously wealthy Arab nations need our help is laughable. yardwork Jul 2025 #190
Nice summary of talking points. AloeVera Jul 2025 #200
What talking points? yardwork Jul 2025 #241
Ridiculous. Oil wealth does not buy them the superior US weapons that Israel uses to... brush Jul 2025 #207
Israel doesn't have oil wealth. yardwork Jul 2025 #242
Please. Stop degending ethnic cleansing, starvation and killing people daily who line up trying to get food and water. brush Jul 2025 #243
Where in my posts did I defend what Israel is doing? yardwork Jul 2025 #249
Your reply to my post. brush Jul 2025 #262
The same is exactly true of us in the U.S. yardwork Jul 2025 #185
I say none of that. Why would you think I would agree with that crap? brush Jul 2025 #208
I think that one reason might be BadgerMom Jul 2025 #21
Judaism is also a religion sarisataka Jul 2025 #26
Isreel itself conflates. AIPAC conflates. The new definition of anti-semitism conflates. AloeVera Jul 2025 #76
" Non-Israeli Jews really should look at their unwavering support for Israel" sarisataka Jul 2025 #78
Not one mainstream US Jewish organization or leader spoke out during the war. AloeVera Jul 2025 #112
This seems to fly in the face of what was said about the protests supporting the Palestinians sarisataka Jul 2025 #114
Lol. I said mainstream. You know, those representing - the mainstream. n/t AloeVera Jul 2025 #117
So we have changed the subject from "non Israeli Jews" sarisataka Jul 2025 #122
Surely you know the meaning of mainstream and the role of leaders in a community? AloeVera Jul 2025 #127
Thankfully, my generation overwhelmingly doesn't. vanessa_ca Jul 2025 #132
That is so encouraging! AloeVera Jul 2025 #137
*Every* action? Mossfern Jul 2025 #192
Why do they need to? Violet_Crumble Jul 2025 #244
They don't Mossfern Jul 2025 #246
Let's talk about these 'purity tests' Violet_Crumble Jul 2025 #253
OMG! Mossfern Jul 2025 #254
I'm thinking...despite the fact that Israel Does Have a Mixed Population w Non-Jews it Still is The Jewish State, ... electric_blue68 Jul 2025 #25
But it is wrong to hold all Muslims responsible for mcar Jul 2025 #83
I never held all Muslims responsible for Islamic terrorists actions. I hold Netanyahu, and certain IDF troops... electric_blue68 Jul 2025 #107
Israelis can be held responsible for the actions of their government Bettie Jul 2025 #32
Not all Jews are Israeli sarisataka Jul 2025 #40
I was speaking to my own opinions Bettie Jul 2025 #43
True iemanja Jul 2025 #157
Jews are not responsible for the actions of Israel but TomSlick Jul 2025 #38
It is a unique cause and effect, wouldn't you agree? sarisataka Jul 2025 #42
Of course. TomSlick Jul 2025 #61
When you put it that way sarisataka Jul 2025 #80
Antisemitism has existed for centuries. Jews have never brought it on themselves. TomSlick Jul 2025 #109
You seemed to imply there was dual loyalty: sarisataka Jul 2025 #110
The attacks against Muslims after 9/11 was wrong mcar Jul 2025 #86
It's not at all difficult to say. It is self evident. TomSlick Jul 2025 #111
No, this happened with Arabs after 9-11. Eko Jul 2025 #79
IIRC, there was a lot of opposition to Islamophobia sarisataka Jul 2025 #87
And there is a lot of opposition to antisemitism going on now as well. Eko Jul 2025 #97
I wouldn't say a lot of opposition sarisataka Jul 2025 #100
How many of our elected party members have not called out antisemitism? Eko Jul 2025 #101
I don't know, do you have the numbers? sarisataka Jul 2025 #106
Exactly what are basing your opinion on? Eko Jul 2025 #113
I am basing my opinion on the number of times I read "Antisemitism is wrong" sarisataka Jul 2025 #116
Of course antisemitism is wrong. Eko Jul 2025 #118
I wish more could make that definitive statement sarisataka Jul 2025 #120
I have seen people say that antisemitism is on the rise in part due to the actions of Israel against Gaza. Eko Jul 2025 #125
This!!!! This is it in a nutshell. Well-analyzed and well-said! AloeVera Jul 2025 #94
Some have iemanja Jul 2025 #288
They shouldn't be EdmondDantes_ Jul 2025 #54
Sure but those regular Isrealis are supporting the government in this genocide. erodriguez Jul 2025 #130
Easy guess is the same reason that people who are "anti-Israel" are labeled as "anti-semetic" by Israelis. nt Exp Jul 2025 #67
??? progressoid Jul 2025 #71
I do recall the increase sarisataka Jul 2025 #98
And why are Gazans not held responsible for the actions mcar Jul 2025 #81
I looks like they are. Eko Jul 2025 #103
Yeah they are being brutalized. Their homes are bombed erodriguez Jul 2025 #131
Gazans, including children, are enduring collective punishment. thought crime Jul 2025 #146
Israel itself conflates criticism of state actions with antisemitism... mike_c Jul 2025 #104
Once again, why does the actions of Israel sarisataka Jul 2025 #108
no, I don't believe so mike_c Jul 2025 #126
They elected Netanyahu and continue to support his genocidal government. Lonestarblue Jul 2025 #178
Americans elected Trump and continue to support his horrific border policies. yardwork Jul 2025 #183
So "Jews" elected Netanyahu? sarisataka Jul 2025 #204
It's completely unreasonable. yardwork Jul 2025 #182
Awesome so we can blame all Muslims EllieBC Jul 2025 #62
Go ahead if you want to, but it's pretty obvious that the attacks are connected to heinous war crimes against the Gazan brush Jul 2025 #69
So you are fine with collective EllieBC Jul 2025 #77
I dont think Brush is saying that at all. Eko Jul 2025 #82
But it is people here mcar Jul 2025 #88
But you were replying back to Brush. Not other people or liberals. Eko Jul 2025 #92
Do what you want with your flawed premise. It doesn't change the facts... brush Jul 2025 #128
Our complicity in this is horrifying, nauseating. snot Jul 2025 #5
the pic Celerity Jul 2025 #27
And I'll say again: snot Jul 2025 #6
Are Jews responsible for the actions of Israel? sarisataka Jul 2025 #8
It seems that some people believe so. Mossfern Jul 2025 #14
No one here has said that. Eko Jul 2025 #85
This is close Mossfern Jul 2025 #90
Not even. Eko Jul 2025 #95
CORRECT Skittles Jul 2025 #151
that question begs this one/ Are we US citizens responsable for (some of) the effects of the bombs drop on Gaza Vthestate Jul 2025 #15
Hells yes we are responsible. erodriguez Jul 2025 #134
I spoke of Israel's responsiblity; but since you ask, snot Jul 2025 #16
I was thinking not of Israeli Jews sarisataka Jul 2025 #28
Well it isn't "Understandable".. It's Vicious, Cha Jul 2025 #58
As we are seeing here on this thread mcar Jul 2025 #93
I wouldn't use the word "understandable", "predictable" is better. . . Stargleamer Jul 2025 #235
The difference being that no one here said the anti-Muslim hate was understandable mcar Jul 2025 #248
well among responses listed here in this thread, DiverDave did say. . . Stargleamer Jul 2025 #256
Didn't happen after Oct 7 mcar Jul 2025 #257
There was literally celebration in the streets sarisataka Jul 2025 #264
I believe it had to have been pre-planned mcar Jul 2025 #267
It begs the question JustAnotherGen Jul 2025 #275
It is chilling mcar Jul 2025 #277
Are you for real?? Violet_Crumble Jul 2025 #285
Understandable and tragically predictable, yes, snot Aug 3 #291
Its wrong. electric_blue68 Jul 2025 #153
It IS understandable DiverDave Jul 2025 #155
Out of curiosity, if there was sarisataka Jul 2025 #173
Of course DiverDave Jul 2025 #174
..To the extent that they support Netanyahu whathehell Jul 2025 #34
They did not say that at all. Eko Jul 2025 #84
Israelis are responsible for the actions of Israel. erodriguez Jul 2025 #141
Do you say this in regards to Muslim EllieBC Jul 2025 #63
Why are you speculating about opinions I've never expressed and that are not relevant to the OP? snot Jul 2025 #75
Are Muslims responsible for the actions of Islamic terrorists like Hamas? mcar Jul 2025 #91
A great OP malaise Jul 2025 #9
I remember Donald Rumsfeld's question during the Iraq War? surfered Jul 2025 #11
This goes beyond the October 7th attack and the current war on Gaza. lees1975 Jul 2025 #13
Ah, but what about the Jewish people who were expelled from "Palestine" Mossfern Jul 2025 #19
But why start at that point in history? whathehell Jul 2025 #44
So you agree that Mossfern Jul 2025 #49
Of course, as were the Caananites.. whathehell Jul 2025 #64
Agree Mossfern Jul 2025 #65
Your deflection means you approve of the Genocide Brenda Jul 2025 #46
Bullshit Mossfern Jul 2025 #48
So you say "bullshit" in response Brenda Jul 2025 #55
It's all the reply Mossfern Jul 2025 #57
I agree.. so there's that. Cha Jul 2025 #66
So us Hungarians can go back to the Ural mountain region, claim it as our ancestral homeland AloeVera Jul 2025 #50
That's not analogous Mossfern Jul 2025 #52
It wasn't Balfour that physically drovebout the Palestinians, burned their villages etc AloeVera Jul 2025 #59
Honestly? Mossfern Jul 2025 #96
I did not say you condone it. AloeVera Jul 2025 #121
I have spoken out Mossfern Jul 2025 #129
Then there's things you can do that I can't do AloeVera Jul 2025 #209
My rabbi and synagogue have official statements regarding Israel's right wing government Mossfern Jul 2025 #211
Not sure how I would know that. AloeVera Jul 2025 #212
Why do you think that Jewish people Mossfern Jul 2025 #213
You too! AloeVera Jul 2025 #214
Where are the Canaanites? The Philistines? Ping Tung Jul 2025 #89
There was never a Palestine nor an Israel IbogaProject Jul 2025 #60
Palestine is the regional name, it was not the name used for the political states that occupied the area. lees1975 Jul 2025 #215
Thank you IbogaProject Jul 2025 #218
Yes, the Jewish people were expelled from Palestine by the Romans, the biggest exile occurring after 70 A.D. lees1975 Jul 2025 #133
The reality here is the religion that has affected the course of history. lees1975 Jul 2025 #139
I think no one here is defending the Romans. thought crime Jul 2025 #147
Who could have envisioned that imperialistic colonialism would lead to conflict? snot Jul 2025 #22
This is not the best link, but the US State Dept and Trumans advisors did vanessa_ca Jul 2025 #143
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Never Again! BidenRocks Jul 2025 #20
I always took it to be a brilliant altruistic resolution. mjvpi Jul 2025 #99
If we were a just country right now, we'd be showing Netanyahu what we used to do to terrorists. Initech Jul 2025 #23
It's almost the whole Congress who keeps voting to give Israel unlimited money womanofthehills Jul 2025 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author Brenda Jul 2025 #51
I hold back because this is the goal of Hamas/Palestinians. To sacrifice their kids in order to discredit Israel Pompoy Jul 2025 #29
Do not equate Palestinian victims with Hamas terrorists. Not the same thing. That's like saying... brush Jul 2025 #39
That is BS Israeli propaganda and demonization of Palestinians. AloeVera Jul 2025 #56
Speaking of bovine excrement Pompoy Jul 2025 #162
Lol. You're in a bubble. AloeVera Jul 2025 #167
For Israel too Mossfern Jul 2025 #195
About Defendant muriel_volestrangler Jul 2025 #188
The perpetrators and defenders of the atrocities are "playing the victim" when challenged Ping Tung Jul 2025 #193
They love their kids - you can see how loving the father's are to their kids womanofthehills Jul 2025 #68
Have you heard of the concept: Blame the victim. Big Blue Marble Jul 2025 #201
And I'm saying that the Palestinians share even greater responsibility for this disaster. It's what they want. Pompoy Jul 2025 #226
I would substitute "Hamas" for "Palestinians" in your statement Mossfern Jul 2025 #232
Oh Please! nt RobinA Jul 2025 #221
Where did you hear that crap? Got any links? Violet_Crumble Jul 2025 #286
In a normal world, Israel should be treated as a beloved family member suffering Maru Kitteh Jul 2025 #30
That's a kind thought. But it's a 77-year old mental health crisis. AloeVera Jul 2025 #145
In other words, Israel needs an "intervention." Intractable Jul 2025 #163
That is correct, I believe. nt Maru Kitteh Jul 2025 #194
Biden gets blamed for everything. EndlessWire Jul 2025 #236
In my opinion, Biden should have withheld awesome offensive weapons from the Israelis. Intractable Jul 2025 #238
He should of stopped supplying the weapons questionseverything Jul 2025 #276
The ultra orthodox on both sides are to blame. multigraincracker Jul 2025 #33
History Godot51 Jul 2025 #35
We have seen the lengths a man, with no conscience, will go to dlk Jul 2025 #36
+1 dalton99a Jul 2025 #123
A quick summary about Israel's current government PghTiny Jul 2025 #37
Agree Mossfern Jul 2025 #41
Thank you. It's very important to keep this in mind. thought crime Jul 2025 #148
Bibi agrees with it, let's be real. AloeVera Jul 2025 #175
Lol. Gaza was independent, why was it the Gazans who attacked and not the West Bank Palestinians? Pompoy Jul 2025 #227
Joining the conversation 22 months into the slaughter, I wonder why now? AloeVera Jul 2025 #234
The Israel of 2025 is not the Israel of 1948. OrlandoDem2 Jul 2025 #45
The America of 2025 is not the America of 1948, as well.... Hekate Jul 2025 #158
It's exactly like Israel of 1948. AloeVera Jul 2025 #259
It's not an accident, & not due to one maniacal Bibi Netanhayu...but decades of policies with an intended purpose. Passages Jul 2025 #72
Yes. Driving Gazan refugees into the Sinai has been the goal since 1948. AloeVera Jul 2025 #140
Sad to say, but that would have worked out better in the long run for everybody. As in the Balkans etc Pompoy Jul 2025 #228
Although the Arabs who stayed in Israel are doing ok, doctors, scientists, politicians, tv presenters. Pompoy Jul 2025 #229
Just as I thought. AloeVera Jul 2025 #237
Lol, lighten up Frances. Obviously Israel hasn't done any ethnic cleansing. That's why things are as they are now. Pompoy Jul 2025 #255
"Pleasing the Palestinians" AloeVera Jul 2025 #258
Bye Pompoy Jul 2025 #260
Ah, a Hungarian whose favorite subject is Israel/Palestine. Pompoy Jul 2025 #261
A Canadian citizen for nearly 60 years, actually. AloeVera Jul 2025 #284
Bye Felicia Pompoy Jul 2025 #290
This is a great post but the speaking out should have started about 22 months ago. Even decades ago. AloeVera Jul 2025 #73
The college kids have been screaming about this, but their message was branded by others to be antisemitism. mjvpi Jul 2025 #105
What was done to the college protesters was terrible. Branded, criminalized, banned, jailed, lost jobs, deported. AloeVera Jul 2025 #115
I agree totally. In my opinion, Biden's blind support of Israeli actions cost the Dems the election. mjvpi Jul 2025 #119
Yes, it did. It's awful, but it's the truth AloeVera Jul 2025 #135
Respectfully, knowing what Trump was like, knowing he could be no-holds-barred bc 2nd term it was wrong to stay home... electric_blue68 Jul 2025 #156
I don't disagree at all! AloeVera Jul 2025 #210
Now we can blame those too for Trump. Thank you for admitting that. Pompoy Jul 2025 #230
I'll vouch for that. Most young people I know refused to vote for that reason vanessa_ca Jul 2025 #161
Thanks for your bravery. AloeVera Jul 2025 #191
I cringed when I heard about it. Of all places, he did that in Michigan? vanessa_ca Jul 2025 #217
More here: 2004 The plans were all there, you merely need to follow the time line. Passages Jul 2025 #102
I've always been in favor of a two state solution. EndlessWire Jul 2025 #152
I think it will just be Israel and - Greater Israel. AloeVera Jul 2025 #187
Israel is going down a very dangerous road WSHazel Jul 2025 #136
Where Would They Go? RobinA Jul 2025 #223
Well said UpInArms Jul 2025 #138
The US and any other country who have armed Israel is just as responsible for the needless murder going on ImNotGod Jul 2025 #142
Hamas had nothing to do with it? Mossfern Jul 2025 #144
THEY DID THIS, THEY DID THAT Skittles Jul 2025 #150
their reputation is SHIT now Skittles Jul 2025 #149
Israel's most recent history Jack Valentino Jul 2025 #154
Just in time for Project Esther... live love laugh Jul 2025 #160
Israel has certainly fallen in my eyes. Intractable Jul 2025 #164
The Nazis blamed Jews for all sorts of nonsense and BS IronLionZion Jul 2025 #165
There is no antisemitism on the left. nt LexVegas Jul 2025 #170
Is that a joke? yardwork Jul 2025 #172
??? lostincalifornia Jul 2025 #176
Genocide maliaSmith Jul 2025 #177
To be fair, they are also Bettie Jul 2025 #271
I'm so old that I remember when there was a country of Palestine. Dafuq happened to it? OMGWTF Jul 2025 #180
There was a *territory* called Palestine. Mossfern Jul 2025 #196
When was there a country called Palestine? sarisataka Jul 2025 #206
The "country" was the UK and if you born before 1920, it was the Ottoman Empire. LeftInTX Jul 2025 #263
I'm not anti Israel but sho nuff anti BB, America would turn into same thing under 1 or 3 Trump admins... uponit7771 Jul 2025 #199
netanyahoou is clinging to power + resists a 2 state solution + pushes settlements. pansypoo53219 Jul 2025 #203
Mandy Patinkin is both articulate and emotional on the blowback to all Jews that Netanyahu is driving. SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2025 #219
Truth Mossfern Jul 2025 #222
love Mandy Skittles Jul 2025 #231
Scorching Truth, Mandy. TY. electric_blue68 Jul 2025 #265
So passionate about this Bettie Jul 2025 #268
Always loved him and mow love him more. AloeVera Jul 2025 #269
You can feel his frustration and anger Bettie Jul 2025 #272
Painful even to listen to and watch. His heartbreak is real. AloeVera Jul 2025 #273
Like moths to a flame JoseBalow Jul 2025 #224
I'm not an anti-semite swong19104 Jul 2025 #225
That's a great way to put it. David__77 Jul 2025 #245
No need to label it Mossfern Jul 2025 #270
You hit the nail on the head EndlessWire. The architects of the Balfour Declaration should have akbacchus_BC Jul 2025 #289
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