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Mad_Machine76

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5. Isn't that sort of implied by now?

Wed Dec 20, 2023, 05:53 PM

Dec 2023

Hamas isn't a rational actor and no amount of pleading or public statements are going to change their minds. Also, no sane person supports Hamas or their actions and nobody's calling for Israel to stop attacking Hamas. What people I know are wanting is for Israel to stop indiscriminately and collectively attacking and killing Palestinian civilians and focusing on more precise operations that target Hamas specifically until the hostages are safe and they are neutralized. BTW some of this discussion reminds of Nancy Mace's (?) call a few weeks ago for women's group to speak up about Hamas' rape and torturing of women, trying to sound all high ground about women's rights and implying that the "silence" of women's groups suggest some kind of implicit support for Hamas or neglect of women.

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I agree with SoS Blinken [View all] mcar Dec 2023 OP

Hear Hear, Sir The Magistrate Dec 2023 #1

Indeed mcar Dec 2023 #9

Uhhh.. maybe if Israel gave back all the stolen land? And brought back all those slaughtered in the Nakba and afterward? PTL_Mancuso Dec 2023 #46

I Must Often Remind Myself Of The Morning Admonitions The Magistrate Dec 2023 #47

Precisely So! PTL_Mancuso Dec 2023 #49

This didn't start with Islamophobia Arazi Dec 2023 #53

Maybe after Europe gives back the lives and property to Jews Arazi Dec 2023 #52

It all depends upon how far back we wish to unwind the stack. PTL_Mancuso Dec 2023 #54

Dude, there was a 2 state solution from the very beginning Arazi Dec 2023 #55

Oh Yes! Oh Yes! They were so very happy to live side-by-side with the nice, friendly folks PTL_Mancuso Dec 2023 #59

The Arabs living there and their Arab neighbors attacked Arazi Dec 2023 #61

Oh my my! Such a nice fairy story! PTL_Mancuso Dec 2023 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author AnrothElf Dec 2023 #57

You make a FALSE accusation. PTL_Mancuso Dec 2023 #60

There is no stolen land to return. TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #75

Well stated!!!!!! LAS14 Dec 2023 #2

Their silence speaks volumes. tritsofme Dec 2023 #3

I suspect that the lack of such demands on Hamas is that everyone knows they'd be wasting their breath... Silent3 Dec 2023 #4

Then why are these same people mcar Dec 2023 #14

Perhaps because they consider the horrible suffering in Gaza right now... Silent3 Dec 2023 #16

'They' won't have to deal with Hamas later Captain Stern Dec 2023 #18

It's more a problem of how Israel is going about it Silent3 Dec 2023 #19

It's not "indiscriminate". Hamas are the legitimate target * Oopsie Daisy Dec 2023 #43

Just because Hamas is deliberately putting civilians in danger... Silent3 Dec 2023 #62

Actually, I never said that any of the innocent civilian victims "deserve" their fate, did I? Oopsie Daisy Dec 2023 #64

Saying "Hamas is to blame", even though quite true... Silent3 Dec 2023 #66

Well, why don't you tell Hamas to stop hiding & shielding themselves among these "innocent civilians"? Tarheel_Dem Dec 2023 #67

That wouldn't do any good, but that doesn't excuse an "anything goes" policy for Israel Silent3 Dec 2023 #69

If your very existence is being threatened, then "ANYTHING" & "EVERYTHING" may be required to eliminate the threat. nt Tarheel_Dem Dec 2023 #71

The key word in your response is "may" Silent3 Dec 2023 #80

Would you have said the same thing to the WWII allies against the Axis powers? Sal_NV Dec 2023 #76

Yes, I would have said the same thing to the WWII allies Silent3 Dec 2023 #81

Thanks for being honest, I disagree, but thanks. nt Sal_NV Dec 2023 #82

Hamas gets a pass then? mcar Dec 2023 #83

Israel's mission is clear and they will do, must do, whatever it takes to destroy Hamas. Oopsie Daisy Dec 2023 #68

Blame doesn't work that way Silent3 Dec 2023 #70

Israel does not need absolution. Oopsie Daisy Dec 2023 #72

I'm not blaming Israel for anything Hamas has done. Silent3 Dec 2023 #74

oh, I understand what you're saying. I simply disagree. Oopsie Daisy Dec 2023 #84

Post removed Post removed Dec 2023 #85

I applaud you. Sal_NV Dec 2023 #77

I don't understand mcar Dec 2023 #20

No, it's just that Israel has already killed 10-20 times more Palestinians than Israelis... Silent3 Dec 2023 #30

When there is no capacity for a repeat TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #35

Fronting? Silent3 Dec 2023 #37

Most of these protests are being funded. sheshe2 Dec 2023 #33

Sad to see that so many of "our own" are falling for it * Oopsie Daisy Dec 2023 #44

Isn't that sort of implied by now? Mad_Machine76 Dec 2023 #5

Explicit Beats Implied By Many Miles The Magistrate Dec 2023 #6

If they think accusing people who want a cease fire of supporting Hamas is helpful they are tone deaf. onecaliberal Dec 2023 #7

Right? mcar Dec 2023 #21

The silence of both the UN and feminist groups concerning Hamas rapes speaks volumes. lapucelle Dec 2023 #12

I have lost so much respect for the UN Womens group mcar Dec 2023 #22

+1 betsuni Dec 2023 #87

You think rape survivor Nancy Mace "was trying to sound all high ground" lapucelle Dec 2023 #29

No, not in the least. The implication is a wink and a nod TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #36

That's becsuse most of them support Hamas JI7 Dec 2023 #8

Yo are equating folks who want a ceasefire/shelling Gaza to end with Hamas supporters obamanut2012 Dec 2023 #10

HAMAS said NO to Ceasefire that Israel wanted for a Humanitarian pause.. Cha Dec 2023 #32

Lol Sky Jewels Dec 2023 #13

I am not a supporter of apple trees Sympthsical Dec 2023 #17

This is such a good analogy mcar Dec 2023 #23

"Where one party hasn't figured out object permanence..." yardwork Dec 2023 #51

+1 betsuni Dec 2023 #86

A number of posters seem to have missed that Blinken said "countries." yardwork Dec 2023 #50

Well it is being said ... somewhere .... FakeNoose Dec 2023 #11

I agree with Sec. Blinken. brer cat Dec 2023 #15

Is Blinkin calling out Joe Biden? ETA: ANSWER: No SYFROYH Dec 2023 #24

Kinda don't think so mcar Dec 2023 #25

Indeed they are. lapucelle Dec 2023 #27

what part of ending this conflict Skittles Dec 2023 #26

What part of "Hamas must surrender" is us v them bullshit? mcar Dec 2023 #28

you didn't answer the question Skittles Dec 2023 #39

'K mcar Dec 2023 #48

Oooops Cha Dec 2023 #65

Yeah, & it's HAMAS Who Won't agree to a Ceasefire for Humanitarian pauses right NOW Cha Dec 2023 #31

Nah, I don't want hamas to surrender... Think. Again. Dec 2023 #34

That I can agree to, as I'm sure that all of DU wants. nt Sal_NV Dec 2023 #79

I feel it's akin to telling Japan and Germany in early 1942 to surrender Kennah Dec 2023 #38

Interesting comparison. They do not see a loss, or they simply do not care. Oopsie Daisy Dec 2023 #45

It's confusing as hell. It's like there's global amnesia as to how this whole thing started. The atrocities of 10/7... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2023 #40

K & R SunSeeker Dec 2023 #41

I agree with Sec. Blinken LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2023 #42

I agree as well. OilemFirchen Dec 2023 #56

I also agree with SoS Blinken. revmclaren Dec 2023 #58

K&R betsuni Dec 2023 #73

Kick. lapucelle Dec 2023 #78