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ancianita

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Fri Sep 1, 2023, 09:33 PM Sep 2023

Secretaries of State cannot decide if Trump is disqualified to be on their ballots until [View all]

Trump is ruled by the DC jury to to have broken the 14th Amendment, Sec. 3 -- "who, having previously taken an oath,...shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof...." After reading Smith's indictment, I can't find where he gave aid or comfort.

The only person who's been banned from office by state law and the US Constitution was Couy Griffin. But that state, New Mexico, had a state law supporting a legal process for that decision. Not all states do. And elections laws are decided by the states.

So the DC court had better get on with Jack Smith's trial on March 4 2024. Otherwise, any Sec. of State refusal to put Trump on the ballot can be sued by citizens as political and/or "improper."

Still, even if this jury decision might help secretaries of state decide when/if Trump IS found guilty, it might not really be about giving aid & comfort of an insurrection. And so a state refusal to have him on state ballots means, according to Joyce Vance, that the decision is not final and could end up in the SCOTUS.

Which is why, despite public discussion, and even pressures, we're not seeing decisions by secretaries of state right now.

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Every and any avenue should be pursued to keep his ass off the primary and general election ballots. magicarpet Sep 2023 #1
What about the suits to keep on ON the ballot. That's really the point of the issue. ancianita Sep 2023 #5
Not so, at least according to Judge Luttig and Lawrence Tribe. Ocelot II Sep 2023 #2
I read it (I subscribe). I saw their joint interview on MSNBC. I get it. ancianita Sep 2023 #6
THIS!!☝️its plain & simple wording. We all saw in real time & J6 hearing laid bare onetexan Sep 2023 #19
Blue states set a dangerous precedent if they remove him from the ballot. Runningdawg Sep 2023 #3
Red states need justifiable grounds to keep Biden off their ballots. magicarpet Sep 2023 #9
If Trump can be removed before conviction so can Biden. It doesn't matter if ANY of its legal. Runningdawg Sep 2023 #11
Refusing to send the National Guard in for hours was giving them aid. His tweets pnwmom Sep 2023 #4
Okay. But those words aren't stated in the indictment. I hope the Smith team reiterate that to ancianita Sep 2023 #7
Here are the points of the indictment I'm referring to, starting on page 41. pnwmom Sep 2023 #14
Only the 'love' tweet to insurrectionists is aid & comfort. The others are examples of ancianita Sep 2023 #15
The insurrectionists were there to stop Pence from certifying the election for Biden. pnwmom Sep 2023 #16
Okay. I'm convinced. I think that's key to the states' ballot issue. I don't think that without ancianita Sep 2023 #17
A lot is riding on Meadows removal request. So let's hope. nt pnwmom Sep 2023 #18
THIS!!☝️ onetexan Sep 2023 #20
The DC jury to which you refer is not really relevant rsdsharp Sep 2023 #8
I clearly meant the future petit jury. I'm aware that it's not the grand jury's decision. The grand ancianita Sep 2023 #10
I apologize for having misread the post. I thought you were saying the jury had ruled. rsdsharp Sep 2023 #12
Not a problem! ancianita Sep 2023 #13
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