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AZLD4Candidate

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17. No, it was trumped up paranoia. Most people believe what communism says. It's those with
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 03:20 AM
Aug 2023

power that don't. Those with power, money, and influence learned after WW2. If the boogie man is a person (Hitler), people die and there is no boogieman. But if you make the boogieman a nebulous idea that can evolve and change with the times, you can have people believe anything especially when you put phobia-level fear into them.

Communism was a red herring and will always be a red herring. The war machine loved the profits of WW2 and needed that to continue but without the bloodshed. Communism became the things to fear and since it's an idea and not a person, it can last forever.

It was all propaganda by those who had the ability to push it. Hell, by 1960, Hitler's murdering buddy Francisco Franco was politically rehabilitated because he was anti-Communist.

We were taught that the communists had every intention of taking over the world, and the U.S. had to do everything in its power to keep that from happening. That included opposing communism in any country where it made an appearance and supporting those governments that opposed it, along with their leaders, no matter how authoritarian and undemocratic they might be in their own right. It was a very black and white point of view; communists were the "bad guys," and all others were seen as the "good guys," despite the fact that some of them were very bad indeed.


Two quotes about that:

Voltaire: Anyone who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
Jean-Luc Picard: The road from legitimate suspicion to rampant paranoia is very much shorter than we think.

It wasn't until the Pentagon Papers where people really stopped believing everything the government said. Vietnam and all the lies with that starting with the Gulf of Tonkin made people realize the Cold War was built on fabrications.

Why do you think there has been a concerted effort since 1983 with the publication of that awful A Nation At Risk to destroy the arts and humanities? Arts make you feel empathy. Humanities make you see the world as it is, not as you want it to be.

Destroy critical thought, make jobs all about education, and you create good little worker bees that are just smart enough to do the jobs and work the machines and just dumb enough to accept the lousy pay, longer hours, horrible working condition, the end of overtime, the weakening of worker's comp law, the destruction of labor union, the vanishing pension that disappear when you go to collect, and the move to privatize Social Security and Medicare.

As my quote from Carlin says: It's a big club and you ain't in it. Well, that's what the Cold War was.

Fuck the pledge.

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conceived to meet the needs of white male property owners nt msongs Aug 2023 #1
Can't be that honest. The US Constitution was actually a victory for the conservaturds at the time. AZLD4Candidate Aug 2023 #2
On those rare occasions that I recite it, I say "one nation under LAW." lastlib Aug 2023 #3
Don't forget the Chin-knee and everyone that look like them. AZLD4Candidate Aug 2023 #5
I replace god with dog. LiberalFighter Aug 2023 #32
Order. czarjak Aug 2023 #4
It's called inculcation. madamesilverspurs Aug 2023 #6
You put those ideas in children because children don't have the ability to muster a defense AZLD4Candidate Aug 2023 #9
What a child hears: lastlib Aug 2023 #30
Good one! bif Aug 2023 #47
What my child really DID hear DFW Aug 2023 #56
That's hilarious! lastlib Aug 2023 #57
Small town America DFW Aug 2023 #59
LOL! lastlib Aug 2023 #60
I'm perfectly ok with it TexasDem69 Aug 2023 #7
Yep Zeitghost Aug 2023 #36
The ludicrous irony, is watching members of the political party sworn to uphold, but most attuned Uncle Joe Aug 2023 #8
I love when people tell me that flag and country are equal in the pledge. AZLD4Candidate Aug 2023 #12
Putting the flag first (or in there at all, but especially first) has bugged me for a long time Silent3 Aug 2023 #10
We get it, you don't like it. William769 Aug 2023 #11
Never said it as a kid. hunter Aug 2023 #13
Hey, goes right along with the national anthem.. Permanut Aug 2023 #14
That's one of the best posts on the subject that I've ever read. Warpy Aug 2023 #15
I did not realize "under God" was added that recently. ShazzieB Aug 2023 #16
No, it was trumped up paranoia. Most people believe what communism says. It's those with AZLD4Candidate Aug 2023 #17
Paranoia is right. ShazzieB Aug 2023 #45
People were distrustful of governments long before the Pentagon Papers. BlackSkimmer Aug 2023 #61
The "pledge of allegiance" ? What is that?? DemocraticPatriot Aug 2023 #18
Arizona Republicans tried to make it a law requiring all people in schools to stay and say it. AZLD4Candidate Aug 2023 #19
I resided in Arizona a couple of times, DemocraticPatriot Aug 2023 #20
curious how close the voting for that law was Dorian Gray Aug 2023 #26
It died in committee. But it was brought up. AZLD4Candidate Aug 2023 #27
:thumbsup: Dorian Gray Aug 2023 #28
Well.... ShazzieB Aug 2023 #42
It's OK, I have no problem with it but whatever ... nt Raine Aug 2023 #21
The Pledge has no impact on my life whatsoever. BlackSkimmer Aug 2023 #22
I don't have a problem with the pledge. It's the GoodRaisin Aug 2023 #23
Words grown-ups don't have to say if they don't want to. betsuni Aug 2023 #24
Well, if you want to venture down the pedantry road ExWhoDoesntCare Aug 2023 #52
The good thing about the pledge Dorian Gray Aug 2023 #25
Winnie the Flu requires all students to attend mandatory flag raising and reciting of the AZLD4Candidate Aug 2023 #29
Who is Winnie the Flu? I am kinda sick of these nicknames obamanut2012 Aug 2023 #38
To each their own. MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2023 #31
Civilian life is different. AZLD4Candidate Aug 2023 #33
I agree. MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2023 #34
I was in the AF, not the Marines, but did y'all have that hilarious daily BlackSkimmer Aug 2023 #35
True dat. MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2023 #43
I noticed the officers ran first and fastest lol. BlackSkimmer Aug 2023 #46
The Pledge of Allegiance is like "I'm sorry for your loss." LAS14 Aug 2023 #37
Well said. nt BlackSkimmer Aug 2023 #58
I agree. BigDemVoter Aug 2023 #39
And to the Republic of Richard Stands. milestogo Aug 2023 #40
Dick Stands is a very famous person. Just like Dick Head, Dick Wad, Dick Smack AZLD4Candidate Aug 2023 #41
And don't forget Dick Weed. MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2023 #44
And Dick Tater! bif Aug 2023 #48
See post #30 lastlib Aug 2023 #49
Yeah, its a little wonky, but no one has to say it so its a push. SYFROYH Aug 2023 #50
Fantastic! edisdead Aug 2023 #51
I like Jello Biafra's version better Tarc Aug 2023 #53
Gotta love the Dead Presidents AZLD4Candidate Aug 2023 #54
Your right to do so... But not the ideological hill I am going to die on JCMach1 Aug 2023 #55
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