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AZLD4Candidate

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Wed Aug 16, 2023, 11:06 PM Aug 2023

The Pledge to the Flag is bullcrap. Line by line analysis. [View all]

I hate the pledge. Haven't said it since I was in 8th grade. Didn't force my students to say it. Didn't even stand for it. Didn't tell my students in the US to stand for it. WV v. Barnette and Tinker V. Des Moines says students don't need to and can silently protest.

Let's look at the brainwashing crap of The Pledge, followed by a Pledge I believe is more acceptable but still shouldn't be said.

Swear word warning. . .this will sound like a George Carlin-type rant.

I Pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America
First of all, I have to ask what the hell does this mean? I'm pledging myself to a flag? A fucking flag? It's a red white and blue piece of cloth. Guess what. . .so are my pants. And my underwear. Well, I wear boxers, but I have no problems having people say "I pledge allegiance to my boxer shorts." Especially if they are pretty women. Pledge all you want.

And don't give me that weak shit "well, it means that you pledge to the ideals the flag represents. Oh, that's nice. Why not say that instead? I pledge allegiance for the ideals that the flag of the United States represents. It doesn't say that. Stop implying shit to confirm nationalism ego bias.

And what ideals do we mean? Of course, the good ones. Racism, slavery, sexism, genocide of native American, discrimination, homophobia, xenophobia, islamophobia. . .as Rage Against the Machine stated, all of which are American Dreams. You want to know about the great ideals of the US. . .ask a Native American, if you can find one. We make them a bit scarce. Want current data? Ask a random black family if they feel the "ideals" of the United States.

And do the Republic for which it stands.

So, the country is an afterthought. The flag is what you pledge to and the country is second. It's like that duty, honor, country pledge in the armed forces. The country is THIRD! IT SHOULD BE FIRST! I pledge allegiance to the United States and the flag that represents it sound so much better. At least I'm not pledging to a fucking piece of cloth.

One Nation

With all due respect, the Civil War proved that is horse shit. And Texas still wants to secede. And Republicans want to bring back nullification which was part of the path to the Civil War. We aren't one nation. They only time we're one nation is when someone attacks us or there is a national tragedy. Remember a time when it didn't take a catastrophe to bring us all together as a nation? Guess what? Neither can I.

Under God

This wasn't even in the original pledge. It was added in 1954 to show the Sky Daddy loved "freedom loving" US and not Godless Communism. Even though we didn't give a rat's ass about freedom. Look at the people we supported during the Cold War:
Papa Doc
Rhee Syngmun
Suharto
Sukarno
Ferdinand Marcos
PW Boltha
Ngo Dinh Diem
Shah of Iran
Batista
Francisco Franco
Baby Doc
Saddam Hussein (until we didn't)
Chiang Kai Shek (who brutalized native Formosa)
Pinochet
Noriega
Guatemalan Death Squads
Daniel Ortega


We didn't give a shit about freedom. All we cared about is that you weren't a Communist. IF you slaughtered people, that's the price of doing business.

With liberty and justice for all.. . .that aren't minorities or can afford it. This last line is infuriating.
If you want know about this, go to wikipedia, go to the search bar, type in Japanese American 1942 and you'll learn all about liberty and justice for all. Just when they needed their rights, the government took them away. The only right they had: RIGHT THIS WAY, into the concentration camp.

Native Americans weren't full American citizens until 1978.
Black people weren't people until 1865.
Women couldn't vote until 1920.
And you were old enough to kill but not vote until 1972.
Interracial marriage was outlawed until 1967.
Our Apartheid lasted until 1954.
The Chinese were denied immigration rights from 1881 to 1943
Jesse Washington's killers still haven't been brought to justice
The Tulsa Race Riot is still ignored
Sand Creek is still called a battle
Little Big Horn is still called a massacre


Now, let's try it again.

I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of American and the country it created, conceived in liberty, dedicated to establishing equality for all within its borders.

I still have issues with it, but at least I'm not pledging to a fucking piece of cloth.

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conceived to meet the needs of white male property owners nt msongs Aug 2023 #1
Can't be that honest. The US Constitution was actually a victory for the conservaturds at the time. AZLD4Candidate Aug 2023 #2
On those rare occasions that I recite it, I say "one nation under LAW." lastlib Aug 2023 #3
Don't forget the Chin-knee and everyone that look like them. AZLD4Candidate Aug 2023 #5
I replace god with dog. LiberalFighter Aug 2023 #32
Order. czarjak Aug 2023 #4
It's called inculcation. madamesilverspurs Aug 2023 #6
You put those ideas in children because children don't have the ability to muster a defense AZLD4Candidate Aug 2023 #9
What a child hears: lastlib Aug 2023 #30
Good one! bif Aug 2023 #47
What my child really DID hear DFW Aug 2023 #56
That's hilarious! lastlib Aug 2023 #57
Small town America DFW Aug 2023 #59
LOL! lastlib Aug 2023 #60
I'm perfectly ok with it TexasDem69 Aug 2023 #7
Yep Zeitghost Aug 2023 #36
The ludicrous irony, is watching members of the political party sworn to uphold, but most attuned Uncle Joe Aug 2023 #8
I love when people tell me that flag and country are equal in the pledge. AZLD4Candidate Aug 2023 #12
Putting the flag first (or in there at all, but especially first) has bugged me for a long time Silent3 Aug 2023 #10
We get it, you don't like it. William769 Aug 2023 #11
Never said it as a kid. hunter Aug 2023 #13
Hey, goes right along with the national anthem.. Permanut Aug 2023 #14
That's one of the best posts on the subject that I've ever read. Warpy Aug 2023 #15
I did not realize "under God" was added that recently. ShazzieB Aug 2023 #16
No, it was trumped up paranoia. Most people believe what communism says. It's those with AZLD4Candidate Aug 2023 #17
Paranoia is right. ShazzieB Aug 2023 #45
People were distrustful of governments long before the Pentagon Papers. BlackSkimmer Aug 2023 #61
The "pledge of allegiance" ? What is that?? DemocraticPatriot Aug 2023 #18
Arizona Republicans tried to make it a law requiring all people in schools to stay and say it. AZLD4Candidate Aug 2023 #19
I resided in Arizona a couple of times, DemocraticPatriot Aug 2023 #20
curious how close the voting for that law was Dorian Gray Aug 2023 #26
It died in committee. But it was brought up. AZLD4Candidate Aug 2023 #27
:thumbsup: Dorian Gray Aug 2023 #28
Well.... ShazzieB Aug 2023 #42
It's OK, I have no problem with it but whatever ... nt Raine Aug 2023 #21
The Pledge has no impact on my life whatsoever. BlackSkimmer Aug 2023 #22
I don't have a problem with the pledge. It's the GoodRaisin Aug 2023 #23
Words grown-ups don't have to say if they don't want to. betsuni Aug 2023 #24
Well, if you want to venture down the pedantry road ExWhoDoesntCare Aug 2023 #52
The good thing about the pledge Dorian Gray Aug 2023 #25
Winnie the Flu requires all students to attend mandatory flag raising and reciting of the AZLD4Candidate Aug 2023 #29
Who is Winnie the Flu? I am kinda sick of these nicknames obamanut2012 Aug 2023 #38
To each their own. MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2023 #31
Civilian life is different. AZLD4Candidate Aug 2023 #33
I agree. MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2023 #34
I was in the AF, not the Marines, but did y'all have that hilarious daily BlackSkimmer Aug 2023 #35
True dat. MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2023 #43
I noticed the officers ran first and fastest lol. BlackSkimmer Aug 2023 #46
The Pledge of Allegiance is like "I'm sorry for your loss." LAS14 Aug 2023 #37
Well said. nt BlackSkimmer Aug 2023 #58
I agree. BigDemVoter Aug 2023 #39
And to the Republic of Richard Stands. milestogo Aug 2023 #40
Dick Stands is a very famous person. Just like Dick Head, Dick Wad, Dick Smack AZLD4Candidate Aug 2023 #41
And don't forget Dick Weed. MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2023 #44
And Dick Tater! bif Aug 2023 #48
See post #30 lastlib Aug 2023 #49
Yeah, its a little wonky, but no one has to say it so its a push. SYFROYH Aug 2023 #50
Fantastic! edisdead Aug 2023 #51
I like Jello Biafra's version better Tarc Aug 2023 #53
Gotta love the Dead Presidents AZLD4Candidate Aug 2023 #54
Your right to do so... But not the ideological hill I am going to die on JCMach1 Aug 2023 #55
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