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boston bean

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142. Isn't the discussion about how one identifies?

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Fri Mar 24, 2023, 04:09 PM

Mar 2023

It is important to both groups.

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I don't want to be identified by what body parts I have or don't have. [View all] boston bean Mar 2023 OP

Exactly, how does it affect my life to call somebody the name and gender they want to be called? Walleye Mar 2023 #1

That's what we want. Women also want to be called as who they are. BlackSkimmer Mar 2023 #34

Thank you, boston bean. I can only hope others who feel similarly will speak up as well. hlthe2b Mar 2023 #2

I feel the same way, and I know I'm not alone. BlackSkimmer Mar 2023 #102

That's why we have names, I think. MineralMan Mar 2023 #3

"Mammal"! I love it! Ocelot II Mar 2023 #5

Indeed she is. MineralMan Mar 2023 #7

Same here. Ocelot II Mar 2023 #4

The vast majority of trans people would never try to call a cis woman a "person with a uterus". meadowlander Mar 2023 #43

+1 nt Tree-Hugger Mar 2023 #49

I get that. I just wish there were a better term that was inclusive Ocelot II Mar 2023 #61

Literally nobody on "our side" is advocating for that term. meadowlander Mar 2023 #65

I see it Tree-Hugger Mar 2023 #73

I hope there aren't any "sides" and that we are all on the same one Ocelot II Mar 2023 #74

human being? Human IS, after all, the root word of humanity. nt allegorical oracle Mar 2023 #187

I disagree and believe that is transphobic...God knows we don't need to pile on this Demsrule86 Mar 2023 #6

That's kind of the point madville Mar 2023 #9

Expecting basic respect is a bridge too far? meadowlander Mar 2023 #54

Respect is a two way street madville Mar 2023 #89

Literally nobody is seriously suggesting that the one term is a replacement for the other. meadowlander Mar 2023 #126

Somebody has to be suggesting it Zeitghost Mar 2023 #155

I am sorry but they can they should be referred to how they choose and I do expect others to Demsrule86 Mar 2023 #150

What is the pile on? boston bean Mar 2023 #10

You said it perfectly well. BlackSkimmer Mar 2023 #35

Exactly. We are talking about respecting how people want to be identified, Ocelot II Mar 2023 #12

Respect is bidirectional Demsrule86. No one on this thread (nor many on the forum) would hlthe2b Mar 2023 #15

I am sorry what you say makes no sense. It just doesn't to me...a poster earlier said Demsrule86 Mar 2023 #151

Yes Hekate Mar 2023 #205

Then cis women should be allowed to refer to themselves as they prefer. BlackSkimmer Mar 2023 #28

Woman is an umbrella term. Cis or trans woman is used to distinguish between trans and non-trans meadowlander Mar 2023 #30

Exactly +1 nt Tree-Hugger Mar 2023 #76

It isn't the "cis" it is that some are advocating that the term "woman" be eliminated in context of hlthe2b Mar 2023 #87

Literally no one is advocating for that. meadowlander Mar 2023 #134

This message was self-deleted by its author hlthe2b Mar 2023 #135

How is it "respectful of the trans community" to tell a trans man with a uterus meadowlander Mar 2023 #147

Thank you that is exactly right... Demsrule86 Mar 2023 #153

Ah, they've moved into bullying PMs now meadowlander Mar 2023 #156

I support Transwomen...you mixed me up with someone else...I believe Trans folks have the right Demsrule86 Mar 2023 #172

Sorry, wasn't referring to you or implying the message was from you. meadowlander Mar 2023 #173

Trans women Demsrule86 Mar 2023 #177

+1 meadowlander Mar 2023 #179

Thank you! Ms. Toad Mar 2023 #182

I have seen it, and you appear (I could be wrong) to say exactly that thing... Hekate Mar 2023 #206

I absolutely am not saying that. meadowlander Mar 2023 #217

+1 Withywindle Mar 2023 #119

Exactly. hlthe2b Mar 2023 #44

+10000 Demsrule86 Mar 2023 #152

This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Mar 2023 #200

What is this in reference of? Polybius Mar 2023 #8

See post 25 Takket Mar 2023 #26

Isn't this a strawman argument? EarlG Mar 2023 #11

I think # 2 is true. boston bean Mar 2023 #13

If you don't think the title of your own OP is true, what is this all about? EarlG Mar 2023 #17

THIS!!!! Tree-Hugger Mar 2023 #19

Um no. BlackSkimmer Mar 2023 #37

Again Tree-Hugger Mar 2023 #55

Medical professionals? Oneironaut Mar 2023 #80

I have primarily seen it... Tree-Hugger Mar 2023 #94

Just for clarity are you thinking I am a transphobe? boston bean Mar 2023 #38

. Tree-Hugger Mar 2023 #123

Have I called you out? Tree-Hugger Mar 2023 #124

Not sure what you are meaning. boston bean Mar 2023 #31

The title of your OP is "I don't want to be identified by what body parts I have or don't have." EarlG Mar 2023 #64

Just reading through this thread tells me I am really not misunderstanding. I wish boston bean Mar 2023 #66

. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2023 #105

Post 148 & 128 questionseverything Mar 2023 #161

Posts 145, 149, 160 and 166 meadowlander Mar 2023 #167

"Pregnant people" does not erase women, it includes women who are pregnant. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2023 #176

#2 is demonstrably true in a number of threads the past 24 hours. hlthe2b Mar 2023 #16

The problem is that we don't have a term that includes everyone Ocelot II Mar 2023 #18

I think "pregnant women and other pregnant persons" is fine, or however the trans community hlthe2b Mar 2023 #24

What's wrong with "pregnant people"? Why overcomplicate it? meadowlander Mar 2023 #128

why should 99% of those pregnant drop their prefered identifier from the term. hlthe2b Mar 2023 #132

Because it's not medically accurate and erases trans men meadowlander Mar 2023 #148

On DU? Tree-Hugger Mar 2023 #21

Again, is this true? EarlG Mar 2023 #23

I sent you an earlier pm. I will send another to your email hlthe2b Mar 2023 #29

This isn't a gotcha EarlG Mar 2023 #36

I emailed you and if you went through that long thread it is replete with examples. hlthe2b Mar 2023 #40

why are you allowing Tree-hugger (subthread beginning #33) accuse those who disagree with hlthe2b Mar 2023 #58

Those of us who try, as respectfully as we can, to discuss our concerns on a DISCUSSION board BlackSkimmer Mar 2023 #98

Nope Tree-Hugger Mar 2023 #104

Hi, Tree-Hugger here Tree-Hugger Mar 2023 #100

It is your accusation of transphobia toward nearly every other DUer that needs to be addressed. hlthe2b Mar 2023 #101

Every other DUer? Tree-Hugger Mar 2023 #107

Why don't you answer me in post 38. boston bean Mar 2023 #120

Answered nt Tree-Hugger Mar 2023 #125

Reminds me when Hillary said some Republicans were deplorable AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2023 #130

Yup... hlthe2b Mar 2023 #138

You didn't get it did you? AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2023 #140

You don't get it. we aren't talking about THIS thread. hlthe2b Mar 2023 #143

These tactics Tree-Hugger Mar 2023 #33

NO it is NOT. That is disgusting and unfair. hlthe2b Mar 2023 #41

Yes, it is Tree-Hugger Mar 2023 #45

+1000 FreeState Mar 2023 #103

Yep Tree-Hugger Mar 2023 #106

This is simply not true. BlackSkimmer Mar 2023 #50

The other thread? Tree-Hugger Mar 2023 #63

Its use towards all feminist women is a slur, for sure. hlthe2b Mar 2023 #82

That is incorrect Tree-Hugger Mar 2023 #85

Wat? Absolutely no one said that ever. Oneironaut Mar 2023 #77

Go back to the thread I know you posted on. It is replete with such comments. hlthe2b Mar 2023 #81

I read through it before, and, I honestly didn't see any. Oneironaut Mar 2023 #83

I just did for you. Read post 32. boston bean Mar 2023 #84

Post 32 doesn't say that at all. Oneironaut Mar 2023 #88

On the original thread subthread beginning with post#1-44. There are others, but that is the start. hlthe2b Mar 2023 #90

Do you have a specific example (e.g post #)? Oneironaut Mar 2023 #91

Honestly, I have aleady put so much time into this. It is in that subthread which you need to hlthe2b Mar 2023 #92

I have. People are referring to inclusiveness in a medical context, e.g. abortion. Oneironaut Mar 2023 #93

Yes. If you had read it, the issue is that they want only the term 'Pregnant person" used... hlthe2b Mar 2023 #95

What term... Tree-Hugger Mar 2023 #115

Pregnant women and other pregnant persons" or the equivalent. hlthe2b Mar 2023 #121

Pregnant women suggests that pregnancy is an inherent feature of womanhood LostOne4Ever Mar 2023 #193

No where in my post was that said. LostOne4Ever Mar 2023 #192

This reminds me of the old right wing fear-mongering about the ACLU. yardwork Mar 2023 #208

Nope. Voltaire2 Mar 2023 #214

Thank you! n/t Ms. Toad Mar 2023 #183

I agree mcar Mar 2023 #14

Rec! BlackSkimmer Mar 2023 #20

Who? Tree-Hugger Mar 2023 #22

You're never going to get that answer, I'm afraid. Oneironaut Mar 2023 #56

Oh I know Tree-Hugger Mar 2023 #67

Here is sone context if anyone doesn't understand the OP's remark Takket Mar 2023 #25

Gross Tree-Hugger Mar 2023 #48

Trans people generally don't want people to be identified by their body parts. Oneironaut Mar 2023 #27

I'm going to repost this every time this comes up: LostOne4Ever Mar 2023 #32

Thanks for posting this again Rob H. Mar 2023 #42

It is not about erasing womanhood. boston bean Mar 2023 #46

I am NOT willing to give up the term "woman." hlthe2b Mar 2023 #53

You shouldn't have to. At this time it is the only non offensive term for how I identify. boston bean Mar 2023 #57

Once again, who? Oneironaut Mar 2023 #69

I don't understand your comment. boston bean Mar 2023 #71

Who is saying that you need to give up calling yourself a woman? Oneironaut Mar 2023 #72

Read post 32. boston bean Mar 2023 #78

I read it as saying the exact opposite of how you understood it. Oneironaut Mar 2023 #86

It states that woman must accepted a unity term that excludes "women" hlthe2b Mar 2023 #96

No it does not. LostOne4Ever Mar 2023 #195

Exactly Tree-Hugger Mar 2023 #97

And then it says,"more inclusive language would be better " questionseverything Mar 2023 #118

* In the context of abortion * EarlG Mar 2023 #122

Why can't the phrasing be, " women and anyone needing abortion services " questionseverything Mar 2023 #139

It can be -- but at the same time, what's wrong with "people who need abortion services"? EarlG Mar 2023 #144

What's wrong with,"people who need abortion services " questionseverything Mar 2023 #159

I promise you I'm not trying to mansplain anything EarlG Mar 2023 #169

medical journals are using terms other than woman to be more inclusive. boston bean Mar 2023 #185

The op wasn't talking about abortion services, other posters questionseverything Mar 2023 #190

Hi, EarlG Hekate Mar 2023 #213

Hello there EarlG Mar 2023 #218

No. with due respect most here know exactly what you are saying. That is not the issue. hlthe2b Mar 2023 #141

No it did not LostOne4Ever Mar 2023 #194

Okay lets work with that LostOne4Ever Mar 2023 #191

I'm convinced it has to be about the Biden administration. betsuni Mar 2023 #199

Thank you, thank you, thank you Tree-Hugger Mar 2023 #47

Thank you for applying basic common sense to this dicussion. meadowlander Mar 2023 #60

My friend was born with no reproductive organs. LakeArenal Mar 2023 #39

I think this is a situation where the language is going to have to catch up. Scrivener7 Mar 2023 #51

My personal opinion (FWIW) is that when talking about an overall subject, haele Mar 2023 #52

Trans rights are human rights old as dirt Mar 2023 #59

Of course they are. boston bean Mar 2023 #62

I get it vercetti2021 Mar 2023 #68

Post removed Post removed Mar 2023 #70

Women matter vercetti2021 Mar 2023 #75

We shouldn't be fighting at all. Feminist women, especially on DU support the LGBTQ community hlthe2b Mar 2023 #79

Post removed Post removed Mar 2023 #109

You matter Tree-Hugger Mar 2023 #112

You matter. Don't give up. You are loved. yardwork Mar 2023 #203

Attempts to eliminate the term "woman" serve patriarchy. delisen Mar 2023 #99

🔼 THIS!!! 🔼🔼 hlthe2b Mar 2023 #127

Nobody has attempted to eliminate the term woman. Voltaire2 Mar 2023 #216

Disappointing and utterly unsurprising to see people on DU falling for right-wing talking points. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2023 #108

Agreed Tree-Hugger Mar 2023 #110

Well said. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2023 #111

The right-wing talking points from Ana Kasparian? OilemFirchen Mar 2023 #113

Incredible, isn't it? As I say, people can fall for anything. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2023 #114

You can say that again! OilemFirchen Mar 2023 #117

I think that's what's happening, too. yardwork Mar 2023 #204

This seems a contradictory take. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2023 #116

"pregnant women and trans individuals" How hard is that? hlthe2b Mar 2023 #129

Or just "pregnant people"/"people who can get pregnant". Made it easier. meadowlander Mar 2023 #131

You insist on eliminating the preferred term of millions of pregnant self-identifying women. hlthe2b Mar 2023 #133

"Woman" does not equal "pregnant person". meadowlander Mar 2023 #136

As you well know i was referring to a term for those pregnant, not women in general hlthe2b Mar 2023 #137

Isn't the discussion about how one identifies? boston bean Mar 2023 #142

No it is a discussion about how we refer to people who can get pregnant. meadowlander Mar 2023 #145

A person who identifies as a woman boston bean Mar 2023 #146

Yes fine. meadowlander Mar 2023 #149

So, for real, what will my medical records state? boston bean Mar 2023 #154

That's between you and you medical provider(s). meadowlander Mar 2023 #157

Really? Then what is this all about then? boston bean Mar 2023 #158

When we are talking at the population scale about people capable of being pregnant meadowlander Mar 2023 #160

Ok so what are they going to call me? boston bean Mar 2023 #163

Whatever you ask them to when the discussion is only referring to you. meadowlander Mar 2023 #164

But it may not be inclusive? boston bean Mar 2023 #165

There doesn't have to only be one inclusive term. meadowlander Mar 2023 #166

Seems to me, based on your comments a box to check boston bean Mar 2023 #168

I'm not sure what you're asking meadowlander Mar 2023 #170

I understand all of that. But the question boston bean Mar 2023 #174

Yes, so do I. It's always going to be contextual. meadowlander Mar 2023 #178

That is just not the case. It is not only contextual. boston bean Mar 2023 #186

Medical records Tree-Hugger Mar 2023 #188

Some "trans individuals" do not possess the requisite anatomy to bear children. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2023 #189

Thank you for trying, boston bean Hekate Mar 2023 #162

I agree. Some identify me as a dick or asshole. Kaleva Mar 2023 #171

Well., if the boston bean Mar 2023 #175

Interesting and curious discussion. H2O Man Mar 2023 #180

+1 leftstreet Mar 2023 #196

Please provide a link to any progressive individual Ms. Toad Mar 2023 #181

I don't want others identifying me as, for example, a person with a uterus. boston bean Mar 2023 #184

I didn't miss the point. Ms. Toad Mar 2023 #197

Thank you for your hard and grueling work in this thread Withywindle Mar 2023 #201

The attitude of some on DU toward trans individual is heartbreaking. Ms. Toad Mar 2023 #210

Thank you LostOne4Ever Mar 2023 #212

TY, Ms. Toad. The hate and bigotry toward transfolk that is Roisin Ni Fiachra Mar 2023 #215

Thank you for this excellent post. yardwork Mar 2023 #207

You're welcome. n/t Ms. Toad Mar 2023 #211

This Thread is Rife with Misunderstanding Haveadream Mar 2023 #198

It's really not that threatening Withywindle Mar 2023 #202

This whole thing is about Ana Kasparian being mad at the Biden administration. betsuni Mar 2023 #209