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highplainsdem

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50. Oh, yes. The bucket into which non-art pretending to be art falls.
Fri Feb 3, 2023, 11:42 AM
Feb 2023

Not surprisingly, it has a lot of critics:

https://www.artdex.com/conceptual-art-difficult-understand/

Conceptual art or conceptualism is art that has moved beyond traditional aesthetics or even materials. Conceptual art has been widely criticized for being the bucket in which certain “art” falls into when no one can make sense of it. If it did not meet the standard genres or categories of art such as figurative, abstract, portrait or landscape etc. and presented particularly challenging interpretations, it conveniently fell into the realm of conceptualism.

Despite being dismissed as real art by many experts, conceptual artists claim that their art is based on the essence of art as an idea or concept, existing despite often the absence of a material presence. This angered many artists who felt that this then meant that anyone could deem themselves, artists. Throw a pile of rotting Autumn leaves in the gap between a burnt tire and give it a name and suddenly, it was art. Voila!

It appears that conceptual art rose as a form of rebellion by those who didn’t want to be limited by the confines of contemporary art. Or perhaps, as some have suspected, conceptual art was intended to poke fun at the masses who were easily deceived when presented with a completely new concept that was so beyond description and understanding yet easily convinced it was art; reducing conceptualism to a social experiment.

However, conceptual art does have a rather strong following particularly for those that feel that art, conceptual or not, is meant to be philosophical. Art needs not be beautiful, fall into a category, follow a technique or even have a name! Art is an open-ended question and meant to make you feel something and simply communicate with us. So whether conceptualism is met with admiration, disdain, or confusion (often than not); it’s done its job as proper art to render a reaction from its audience.


See the messy unmade bed surrounded by clutter in the photo with that article, and think how lucky we are to have millions of conceptual artists who won't make their beds or get rid of clutter. What an artistic treasure!

By the standards of conceptual art, a baby throwing up is offering a serious artistic comment on life, the universe, the parents, or maybe just the most recent meal. Attach a pretentious label and presto! it's art. By those standards, the insurrectionists decorating the Capitol with their feces were also artists commenting on politics.

Such a wonderful thing, conceptual art.

And think how wonderfully thought-provoking unused spiral notebooks are! Monuments of emptiness inviting creations! An open unused notebook displayed in an art gallery should be worth 7 figures, don't you think? Such an amazing concept...emptiness enticing creation.

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Mastodon.art just banned AI art [View all] highplainsdem Jan 2023 OP
I agree with this policy just because, I don't care about ai art. lindysalsagal Jan 2023 #1
Just because you don't want to see it means we should ban it? Polybius Feb 2023 #37
Sounds like a fair and sensible policy. dalton99a Jan 2023 #2
As an artist, I applaud this decision. FalloutShelter Jan 2023 #3
Best to be cautious I guess blogslug Jan 2023 #4
I saw that AZSkiffyGeek Jan 2023 #5
"I can tell from some of the pixels and from seeing quite a few shops in my time" blogslug Jan 2023 #6
Well-played. TheProle Jan 2023 #9
For those who missed it... lol: demmiblue Jan 2023 #8
Hey! Ho! Let's Go Celerity Jan 2023 #7
All creepy to me except Brenda Feb 2023 #23
different cultural upbringings yield various takes on what is 'creepy' Celerity Feb 2023 #26
As a federation rather than a centralized system Voltaire2 Jan 2023 #10
DALL-E would be like photography only if you could get a photograph highplainsdem Jan 2023 #11
every creative human is working off the efforts of other humans Voltaire2 Feb 2023 #12
No, AI is like telling someone else to create a collage. It's fake creativity. highplainsdem Feb 2023 #15
Ok then just about every major artist uses assistants. Voltaire2 Feb 2023 #20
That isn't true, and the use of assistants to do the work while highplainsdem Feb 2023 #21
I'm confused. It isn't true, it has been going on for 500 years, and its really bad? Voltaire2 Feb 2023 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author speak easy Feb 2023 #31
It isn't true that "just about every major artist uses assistants" - which is what highplainsdem Feb 2023 #33
Yeah I read about how Hockney is f'ing pissed off Voltaire2 Feb 2023 #35
There's nothing on that page or the one it links to referring highplainsdem Feb 2023 #36
I agree wholeheartedly Mossfern Feb 2023 #38
It's like more telling someone take a photograph via text message. tinrobot Feb 2023 #13
I hope to see that genie slammed back into the bottle forever highplainsdem Feb 2023 #16
The same thing happened with computers and music sampling. tinrobot Feb 2023 #17
There's not inherently wrong with AI, anymore than there is anything wrong with phone cameras. Ms. Toad Feb 2023 #18
None of the challenges you mention have been met, though, and so far there's been highplainsdem Feb 2023 #22
Your focus wasn't on the issues of licensing and plagiarizing. Ms. Toad Feb 2023 #27
AI is not like a camera. AI produces writing, images and highplainsdem Feb 2023 #28
Ripping off human work is a legal problem. Ms. Toad Feb 2023 #29
The best way to teach writing is via reading and writing, not by having highplainsdem Feb 2023 #34
You can't put this genie back in the bottle. Elessar Zappa Feb 2023 #19
We all drive cars that can go much faster than speed limits, but there are highplainsdem Feb 2023 #24
I'm sure there will be regulations regarding AI. Elessar Zappa Feb 2023 #25
Not getting it 48656c6c6f20 Feb 2023 #14
It is the conception, not the composition that is art. speak easy Feb 2023 #32
In that case Mossfern Feb 2023 #39
? speak easy Feb 2023 #40
Conceptual art Mossfern Feb 2023 #43
dalle literally requires a statement to generate an image from. Voltaire2 Feb 2023 #48
I'm curious Mossfern Feb 2023 #53
... speak easy Feb 2023 #54
This is just like what the music world said about sequencers and samplers in the 1980s Recursion Feb 2023 #41
"Photography is evil, won't someone think of the poor portait artists!" Lancero Feb 2023 #42
There is little or no art in giving instructions to AI. You could take words highplainsdem Feb 2023 #44
Whats that sentence that art-snobs say to people who question their own favored method of art? Lancero Feb 2023 #45
AI will be making photographers, not just cameras, unnecessary. highplainsdem Feb 2023 #46
And you need to be skilled to spin the words to get the AI to output what you need... Lancero Feb 2023 #49
Unless you are doing something like telling AI to generate a picture by highplainsdem Feb 2023 #51
It's a form of art, and it's one that multi-billion dollar companies want a slice of. Lancero Feb 2023 #52
see: conceptual art. Been around since the 60s. Voltaire2 Feb 2023 #47
Oh, yes. The bucket into which non-art pretending to be art falls. highplainsdem Feb 2023 #50
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