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116. Saying that she was wrong doesn't negate the good things she did.

Thu Jan 19, 2023, 09:27 PM

Jan 2023

People are more than one thing.

I can say she was wrong about not retiring.

Doesn't mean I don't admire all the good she did.

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Until recently, I was not aware that some here are "not admirers" of the late Ruth Bader Ginzburg. [View all] Atticus Jan 2023 OP

She couldn't resign until we had control of the senate. FlyingPiggy Jan 2023 #1

The Republicans refused to give a hearing to ANY markodochartaigh Jan 2023 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author niyad Jan 2023 #2

Incorrect brooklynite Jan 2023 #5

Thank you. I knew I should have checked. niyad Jan 2023 #9

However... dpibel Jan 2023 #83

As much a people don't like Lieberman, he never voted down a judicial nominee. brooklynite Jan 2023 #88

After 2013, neither party was going to tolerate a Supreme Court filibuster tritsofme Jan 2023 #99

Sorry but she rolled the dice knowing damn well with her health history it was a risk, and it will Woodswalker Jan 2023 #3

No it doesn't. She will be loved and admired always. secondwind Jan 2023 #11

This!!!! Ferrets are Cool Jan 2023 #37

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She single-handedly did that. Wowza. That's some supernatural power, I tells ya. Hekate Jan 2023 #72

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👆👆👆 Rebl2 Jan 2023 #62

Kinda doesn't unweird Jan 2023 #14

What? rubbersole Jan 2023 #18

Democrats controlled the Senate until 2015. tritsofme Jan 2023 #100

So she was a failure because she died StoolPigeon Jan 2023 #26

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'Scuse me? You don't sound all that Woke, Mom Hekate Jan 2023 #59

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It is bloody marvellous how you can read minds and foresee the future Hekate Jan 2023 #78

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+1 BannonsLiver Jan 2023 #85

I could not agree more. BannonsLiver Jan 2023 #89

And critiquing her work/life choices means she's not admired? brooklynite Jan 2023 #4

Some go beyond "critiquing" her and state that her misjudgment about when to retire Atticus Jan 2023 #15

How is her last name spelled? Renew Deal Jan 2023 #6

Ginsburg ShazzieB Jan 2023 #7

Well the Right was playing the long game and they won. She should have resigned. dem4decades Jan 2023 #8

One single great mistake can undo a lot of goodwill Sympthsical Jan 2023 #10

Giving up power, access, and friendships is hard. Renew Deal Jan 2023 #13

I think once you're at that level, it can be difficult to perceive clearly Sympthsical Jan 2023 #19

Ah, it's McConnell who should be blamed not RBG. Let's at least get that right. Joinfortmill Jan 2023 #24

It's multidimensional Sympthsical Jan 2023 #27

If she retired before 2015, McConnell could have been irrelevant tritsofme Jan 2023 #101

Two words: Merrick Garland dpibel Jan 2023 #87

One year: 2014 Sympthsical Jan 2023 #91

RBG rso Jan 2023 #12

The double standard for women is alive and well dlk Jan 2023 #16

Did you miss the EXTREME pressure for Breyer to retire? Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2023 #23

That was a different issue dlk Jan 2023 #94

Nope. This one has nothing to do with that. NoRethugFriends Jan 2023 #32

The post was about negativity directed toward RBG for not retiring dlk Jan 2023 #95

I know it was. Same would have been directed against Breyer if he hadn't retired. NoRethugFriends Jan 2023 #110

Even if she'd resigned McConnell was waiting to block her replacement. live love laugh Jan 2023 #17

the gop only had the senate in obamas last 2 years..... getagrip_already Jan 2023 #43

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Hindsight vision is always 20/20. live love laugh Jan 2023 #63

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LOL 😂 live love laugh Jan 2023 #79

There is only reality. Fantasy rarely is negative. twodogsbarking Jan 2023 #20

That's because DownriverDem Jan 2023 #21

Has nothing to do with old people going away. NoRethugFriends Jan 2023 #33

"Old people" going away is unfortunately reality. tritsofme Jan 2023 #102

Me, too. She's one of my heroes. Even our mythical Gods are not perfect... Joinfortmill Jan 2023 #22

I met her when I worked for the ACLU back in the day at its national office. She was coming in to CTyankee Jan 2023 #92

How cool is that.. Joinfortmill Jan 2023 #124

She will always be my hero Farmer-Rick Jan 2023 #25

I was on a tour of the Supreme Court in Johannesburg South Africa milestogo Jan 2023 #28

I loved her to pieces. Still do. But she should have resigned. Scrivener7 Jan 2023 #29

McConnell would have held the seat open if she had retired. nt Gore1FL Jan 2023 #30

She could have retired in 2014 immediately when the gop took back the senate ColinC Jan 2023 #40

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McConnell was majority leader 2015-2016. onenote Jan 2023 #93

Thanks for pointing it out again. That was indeed helpful? nt Gore1FL Jan 2023 #105

I'm not a fan of any of them or the courts itself. There is no reason for them to be appointed Autumn Jan 2023 #31

Except that is not what is in the Constitution. LiberalFighter Jan 2023 #35

A lot of thing are and are not in the constitution, like the gun humpers well regulated militia. Autumn Jan 2023 #42

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Congress does have the power to organize it. Autumn Jan 2023 #54

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I'm not a lawyer and I'm not going to argue it. I gave my opinion about that court and what I see Autumn Jan 2023 #57

You don't need to be a lawyer to understand the following words in the Constitution: onenote Jan 2023 #96

I said what I posted was MY opinion, I didn't say it was law. I believe the court should be Autumn Jan 2023 #60

They do have the authority to change the court COL Mustard Jan 2023 #67

Something needs to change and that sounds like a good idea. Autumn Jan 2023 #111

Some are short sighted about the facts. LiberalFighter Jan 2023 #34

her replacement was rushed through in a month..... getagrip_already Jan 2023 #48

Her mistake was not retiring before 2015 ColinC Jan 2023 #36

I admire her greatly Elessar Zappa Jan 2023 #38

From the replies on this post, it is many more than I suspected. Ferrets are Cool Jan 2023 #39

✔️ live love laugh Jan 2023 #65

And so very, very eager to smear her Hekate Jan 2023 #76

Yeah, as wonderful as DU is... Ferrets are Cool Jan 2023 #80

You can admire someone, and still be disappointed in some of their decisions. tritsofme Jan 2023 #104

Might as well blame Thurgood Marshall bluescribbler Jan 2023 #41

No, but it is a cautionary tale. tritsofme Jan 2023 #103

She was a good ol' gal but it would have gone better... jaxexpat Jan 2023 #45

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I don't understand ForgedCrank Jan 2023 #51

I deeply admired Ruth Bader Ginsburg and appreciated every moment we had her on the Supreme Court. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #56

Me too. Intrinsic value in addition to concrete value lostnfound Jan 2023 #58

RGB was great and human WA-03 Democrat Jan 2023 #61

Ginsburg was, among other things, a tough old lady who'd fought hard Warpy Jan 2023 #64

I "admire" her career, but still "blame" her for not stepping down News Junkie Jan 2023 #66

Yes. BannonsLiver Jan 2023 #86

YES Skittles Jan 2023 #125

yes Celerity Jan 2023 #126

And here they all are Hekate Jan 2023 #70

Was President Obama wrong to try to convince her to retire? Sympthsical Jan 2023 #73

Ego,hubris, fucked us all, it was all about her, rolled the dice, erases everything she accomplished Hekate Jan 2023 #75

Except the reactions aren't allowing for rational critiques Sympthsical Jan 2023 #98

When you mention "all or nothing veneration" I wonder if you are including the OP. If so, Atticus Jan 2023 #113

Atticus....... Upthevibe Jan 2023 #71

I think what she accomplished in her lifetime intimidates a lot of people Torchlight Jan 2023 #82

Well what Amy Coney Barrett accomplishes will probably kill people. BannonsLiver Jan 2023 #90

She stayed too long. The end. BannonsLiver Jan 2023 #84

I am a strong supporter for TERM LIMITS on the Supreme Court . Emile Jan 2023 #97

With her health history of serious illnesses, she should have definitely retired. liberal_mama Jan 2023 #106

I totally admire her, but I will admit I'm pissed off she didn't retire at a safe time. Sky Jewels Jan 2023 #107

Oddly enough I can both admire her and blame her for not resigning earlier. Voltaire2 Jan 2023 #108

Hindsight is 20/20. No one could have foreseen she that would die just before the 2020 election In It to Win It Jan 2023 #109

No one could have foreseen an 87 year old woman dying from complications of metastatic Autumn Jan 2023 #118

...before 2014, when we lost the Senate. In It to Win It Jan 2023 #119

You used the 2020 election. Autumn Jan 2023 #120

Yes. At the time Dems were pressuring her to retire, they could not have foreseen In It to Win It Jan 2023 #121

At her age and her history of cancer that was an easy prediction. In December 2018, Autumn Jan 2023 #122

It was amazing she hung on for as long as she did. Realistically, no one, including her, pnwmom Jan 2023 #130

LOTS of us foresaw it. She'd already had two cancers, including pancreatic -- pnwmom Jan 2023 #129

I admire her, but she should have Demsrule86 Jan 2023 #112

Demsrule86...... I agree.... Upthevibe Jan 2023 #114

Ruth Bader I_UndergroundPanther Jan 2023 #115

Saying that she was wrong doesn't negate the good things she did. Coventina Jan 2023 #116

No, but not retiring when she knew about her health issues DID negate the good things she did. pnwmom Jan 2023 #131

too many different factors treestar Jan 2023 #117

I wasn't aware there was a list of people that Democrats Seeking Serenity Jan 2023 #123

Risk vs Reward grantcart Jan 2023 #127

We knew she'd had cancer twice, and one bout was with very serious pancreatic cancer. pnwmom Jan 2023 #128

I really don't have strong feeling about her one-way or the other. 🤔 nt Raine Jan 2023 #132