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Upthevibe

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71. Atticus.......

Thu Jan 19, 2023, 12:35 PM

Jan 2023

.............Great post to generate an important discussion.

I adored RBG and have for many years. Her impact can't be "taken away". One needs only to google her list of accomplishments/decisions to understand how she influenced the direction of our country.

In addition to my gratefulness and my reverence for her, I'm also extremely disappointed that she chose not to retire. President Obama had a majority in the Senate in 2012, 2013, and 2014 (I'm only looking at the latest years we had control with President Obama). We lost the majority starting in 2015 (from the 11/14 election).

She FOR SURE should have retired after we lost control in the November, 2014 election for the session starting in 2015. I don't think the Republicans would have had any mechanisms to prevent an Obama nominee from going through.

We have to play chess! We can't take knives to a gun fight! I realize I'm using worn out idioms but (IMHO) they are completely on point.

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Until recently, I was not aware that some here are "not admirers" of the late Ruth Bader Ginzburg. [View all] Atticus Jan 2023 OP

She couldn't resign until we had control of the senate. FlyingPiggy Jan 2023 #1

The Republicans refused to give a hearing to ANY markodochartaigh Jan 2023 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author niyad Jan 2023 #2

Incorrect brooklynite Jan 2023 #5

Thank you. I knew I should have checked. niyad Jan 2023 #9

However... dpibel Jan 2023 #83

As much a people don't like Lieberman, he never voted down a judicial nominee. brooklynite Jan 2023 #88

After 2013, neither party was going to tolerate a Supreme Court filibuster tritsofme Jan 2023 #99

Sorry but she rolled the dice knowing damn well with her health history it was a risk, and it will Woodswalker Jan 2023 #3

No it doesn't. She will be loved and admired always. secondwind Jan 2023 #11

This!!!! Ferrets are Cool Jan 2023 #37

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She single-handedly did that. Wowza. That's some supernatural power, I tells ya. Hekate Jan 2023 #72

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👆👆👆 Rebl2 Jan 2023 #62

Kinda doesn't unweird Jan 2023 #14

What? rubbersole Jan 2023 #18

Democrats controlled the Senate until 2015. tritsofme Jan 2023 #100

So she was a failure because she died StoolPigeon Jan 2023 #26

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'Scuse me? You don't sound all that Woke, Mom Hekate Jan 2023 #59

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It is bloody marvellous how you can read minds and foresee the future Hekate Jan 2023 #78

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+1 BannonsLiver Jan 2023 #85

I could not agree more. BannonsLiver Jan 2023 #89

And critiquing her work/life choices means she's not admired? brooklynite Jan 2023 #4

Some go beyond "critiquing" her and state that her misjudgment about when to retire Atticus Jan 2023 #15

How is her last name spelled? Renew Deal Jan 2023 #6

Ginsburg ShazzieB Jan 2023 #7

Well the Right was playing the long game and they won. She should have resigned. dem4decades Jan 2023 #8

One single great mistake can undo a lot of goodwill Sympthsical Jan 2023 #10

Giving up power, access, and friendships is hard. Renew Deal Jan 2023 #13

I think once you're at that level, it can be difficult to perceive clearly Sympthsical Jan 2023 #19

Ah, it's McConnell who should be blamed not RBG. Let's at least get that right. Joinfortmill Jan 2023 #24

It's multidimensional Sympthsical Jan 2023 #27

If she retired before 2015, McConnell could have been irrelevant tritsofme Jan 2023 #101

Two words: Merrick Garland dpibel Jan 2023 #87

One year: 2014 Sympthsical Jan 2023 #91

RBG rso Jan 2023 #12

The double standard for women is alive and well dlk Jan 2023 #16

Did you miss the EXTREME pressure for Breyer to retire? Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2023 #23

That was a different issue dlk Jan 2023 #94

Nope. This one has nothing to do with that. NoRethugFriends Jan 2023 #32

The post was about negativity directed toward RBG for not retiring dlk Jan 2023 #95

I know it was. Same would have been directed against Breyer if he hadn't retired. NoRethugFriends Jan 2023 #110

Even if she'd resigned McConnell was waiting to block her replacement. live love laugh Jan 2023 #17

the gop only had the senate in obamas last 2 years..... getagrip_already Jan 2023 #43

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Hindsight vision is always 20/20. live love laugh Jan 2023 #63

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LOL 😂 live love laugh Jan 2023 #79

There is only reality. Fantasy rarely is negative. twodogsbarking Jan 2023 #20

That's because DownriverDem Jan 2023 #21

Has nothing to do with old people going away. NoRethugFriends Jan 2023 #33

"Old people" going away is unfortunately reality. tritsofme Jan 2023 #102

Me, too. She's one of my heroes. Even our mythical Gods are not perfect... Joinfortmill Jan 2023 #22

I met her when I worked for the ACLU back in the day at its national office. She was coming in to CTyankee Jan 2023 #92

How cool is that.. Joinfortmill Jan 2023 #124

She will always be my hero Farmer-Rick Jan 2023 #25

I was on a tour of the Supreme Court in Johannesburg South Africa milestogo Jan 2023 #28

I loved her to pieces. Still do. But she should have resigned. Scrivener7 Jan 2023 #29

McConnell would have held the seat open if she had retired. nt Gore1FL Jan 2023 #30

She could have retired in 2014 immediately when the gop took back the senate ColinC Jan 2023 #40

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McConnell was majority leader 2015-2016. onenote Jan 2023 #93

Thanks for pointing it out again. That was indeed helpful? nt Gore1FL Jan 2023 #105

I'm not a fan of any of them or the courts itself. There is no reason for them to be appointed Autumn Jan 2023 #31

Except that is not what is in the Constitution. LiberalFighter Jan 2023 #35

A lot of thing are and are not in the constitution, like the gun humpers well regulated militia. Autumn Jan 2023 #42

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Congress does have the power to organize it. Autumn Jan 2023 #54

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I'm not a lawyer and I'm not going to argue it. I gave my opinion about that court and what I see Autumn Jan 2023 #57

You don't need to be a lawyer to understand the following words in the Constitution: onenote Jan 2023 #96

I said what I posted was MY opinion, I didn't say it was law. I believe the court should be Autumn Jan 2023 #60

They do have the authority to change the court COL Mustard Jan 2023 #67

Something needs to change and that sounds like a good idea. Autumn Jan 2023 #111

Some are short sighted about the facts. LiberalFighter Jan 2023 #34

her replacement was rushed through in a month..... getagrip_already Jan 2023 #48

Her mistake was not retiring before 2015 ColinC Jan 2023 #36

I admire her greatly Elessar Zappa Jan 2023 #38

From the replies on this post, it is many more than I suspected. Ferrets are Cool Jan 2023 #39

✔️ live love laugh Jan 2023 #65

And so very, very eager to smear her Hekate Jan 2023 #76

Yeah, as wonderful as DU is... Ferrets are Cool Jan 2023 #80

You can admire someone, and still be disappointed in some of their decisions. tritsofme Jan 2023 #104

Might as well blame Thurgood Marshall bluescribbler Jan 2023 #41

No, but it is a cautionary tale. tritsofme Jan 2023 #103

She was a good ol' gal but it would have gone better... jaxexpat Jan 2023 #45

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This message was self-deleted by its author jaxexpat Jan 2023 #47

I don't understand ForgedCrank Jan 2023 #51

I deeply admired Ruth Bader Ginsburg and appreciated every moment we had her on the Supreme Court. Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #56

Me too. Intrinsic value in addition to concrete value lostnfound Jan 2023 #58

RGB was great and human WA-03 Democrat Jan 2023 #61

Ginsburg was, among other things, a tough old lady who'd fought hard Warpy Jan 2023 #64

I "admire" her career, but still "blame" her for not stepping down News Junkie Jan 2023 #66

Yes. BannonsLiver Jan 2023 #86

YES Skittles Jan 2023 #125

yes Celerity Jan 2023 #126

And here they all are Hekate Jan 2023 #70

Was President Obama wrong to try to convince her to retire? Sympthsical Jan 2023 #73

Ego,hubris, fucked us all, it was all about her, rolled the dice, erases everything she accomplished Hekate Jan 2023 #75

Except the reactions aren't allowing for rational critiques Sympthsical Jan 2023 #98

When you mention "all or nothing veneration" I wonder if you are including the OP. If so, Atticus Jan 2023 #113

Atticus....... Upthevibe Jan 2023 #71

I think what she accomplished in her lifetime intimidates a lot of people Torchlight Jan 2023 #82

Well what Amy Coney Barrett accomplishes will probably kill people. BannonsLiver Jan 2023 #90

She stayed too long. The end. BannonsLiver Jan 2023 #84

I am a strong supporter for TERM LIMITS on the Supreme Court . Emile Jan 2023 #97

With her health history of serious illnesses, she should have definitely retired. liberal_mama Jan 2023 #106

I totally admire her, but I will admit I'm pissed off she didn't retire at a safe time. Sky Jewels Jan 2023 #107

Oddly enough I can both admire her and blame her for not resigning earlier. Voltaire2 Jan 2023 #108

Hindsight is 20/20. No one could have foreseen she that would die just before the 2020 election In It to Win It Jan 2023 #109

No one could have foreseen an 87 year old woman dying from complications of metastatic Autumn Jan 2023 #118

...before 2014, when we lost the Senate. In It to Win It Jan 2023 #119

You used the 2020 election. Autumn Jan 2023 #120

Yes. At the time Dems were pressuring her to retire, they could not have foreseen In It to Win It Jan 2023 #121

At her age and her history of cancer that was an easy prediction. In December 2018, Autumn Jan 2023 #122

It was amazing she hung on for as long as she did. Realistically, no one, including her, pnwmom Jan 2023 #130

LOTS of us foresaw it. She'd already had two cancers, including pancreatic -- pnwmom Jan 2023 #129

I admire her, but she should have Demsrule86 Jan 2023 #112

Demsrule86...... I agree.... Upthevibe Jan 2023 #114

Ruth Bader I_UndergroundPanther Jan 2023 #115

Saying that she was wrong doesn't negate the good things she did. Coventina Jan 2023 #116

No, but not retiring when she knew about her health issues DID negate the good things she did. pnwmom Jan 2023 #131

too many different factors treestar Jan 2023 #117

I wasn't aware there was a list of people that Democrats Seeking Serenity Jan 2023 #123

Risk vs Reward grantcart Jan 2023 #127

We knew she'd had cancer twice, and one bout was with very serious pancreatic cancer. pnwmom Jan 2023 #128

I really don't have strong feeling about her one-way or the other. 🤔 nt Raine Jan 2023 #132