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haele

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36. This is assuming most homeless aren't also working when they become homeless.
Mon Jan 16, 2023, 02:37 PM
Jan 2023

A lot of homeless work.A lot of homeless are elderly on Social Security.
I live in San Diego, and most homeless are camping out near trolley and bus stations stations, which are also areas where they can access free bathrooms. They do that so they can clean up and go work at jobs that pay $16 to $20 an hour, which is still not enough to rent a Studio apartment with basic utilities (water and electric) and maintain some form of transportation.
They can get monthly Compass transit cards at many churches due to being low income. They can typically rent a small storage room for $100 a month and a P.O. box for $100 a year. They have to buy their food ready-to-wear or take-out, so they can't save by cooking and storing food "at home". Hygiene is almost impossible, and they have to do laundry at a coin-op whenever they can gather a few coins, so they start looking disheveled and pretty much unemployable. They can't pay for basic medical and dental care, so they start losing teeth or get sick constantly.
Without a home space where they can at least keep food, utensils, clothes, and maintain hygiene - even if they have no furniture other than cardboard boxes for storage and an air mattress with a sleeping bag and wash their clothes in the shower, they eventually lose even the most menial jobs.
It's a basic fact - working (and retired elderly) homeless can afford the small things, but they can't afford the big basic things like the all-important housing. And if they work shifts or off hours, they're not able to follow "shelter" rules, they're pretty much stuck living rough, hoping they can get to a spot where people will watch after their stuff while the work and the city won't sweep the camp while they're off working.
Watching someone who got priced out of housing slip into a mental health crisis or substance abuse problem within 6 months of living on the streets is not at all unexpected.
A 'village' out by Miramar Marine Corps base doesn't help a lot of the current crop of homeless folk in the long run. It actually hurts those homeless with jobs by pushing them out away from where their jobs are. Maybe it can help those with mental health issues or the elderly if some housing can also be turned into free pensioners housing, but that type of assistance tends to be short term for the "able bodied", who still have problems finding permanent housing for themselves after they graduate from whatever program was pushed on them as part of the price for free housing.
Not to mention it doesn't at all help with the rather large tribes of transients who wander out here seasonally to beg, steal and scam (i.e., Travellers and Rainbows),
Homelessness in working people can be solved only by providing free or subsidized housing specifically for them near transportation and suitable jobs for their talents and capabilities (as in, not just lowest common denominator jobs).

One of the solutions I would like to see is a program where low income workers can rent to own rehabbed and subsidized no-interest added apartments or houses from the city or county in mixed income neighborhoods or complexes that will eventually become theirs after five to ten years, depending on how fast they can pay the basic mortgage.

Haele

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I lived in San Diego for a while, some years ago. I crossed paths with Bill Walton in those parks RockRaven Jan 2023 #1
Yup. 2naSalit Jan 2023 #18
This is assuming most homeless aren't also working when they become homeless. haele Jan 2023 #36
Thank you for all this info, Haele Hekate Jan 2023 #39
Walton has the out of sight, out of mind mentality. riversedge Jan 2023 #58
At least he's trying to think about the problem. CloudWatcher Jan 2023 #2
It's like he just likes... 2naSalit Jan 2023 #19
What BS former9thward Jan 2023 #63
Sunbreak Ranch looks like the landscape around the Manzanar Internment Camp. SunSeeker Jan 2023 #3
San Diego dessert would be so hot. No one could survive in a tent in the summer... crazy idea BlueWaveNeverEnd Jan 2023 #4
Not only that... 2naSalit Jan 2023 #20
And cannabis_flower Jan 2023 #5
The location is... 2naSalit Jan 2023 #21
Yup. There's UCSD students living in their cars because they can't afford rent. SunSeeker Jan 2023 #40
Wouldn't it be easier to just have Bill Walton move to the desert? n/t Mr.Bill Jan 2023 #52
Probably but... 2naSalit Jan 2023 #54
This location isn't in the middle of nowhere Zorro Jan 2023 #17
Yes it is. It has no public transportation, no jobs and no housing. SunSeeker Jan 2023 #37
Guess you didn't read the article where it mentions public transportation Zorro Jan 2023 #44
None of that is there now. And upscale Scripps Ranch would not let it be built. SunSeeker Jan 2023 #46
Aren't they camping out in the heat in the city also? EX500rider Jan 2023 #50
San Diego is right by the water. It is not a heat island. SunSeeker Jan 2023 #53
Well parts of it are. EX500rider Jan 2023 #55
His "glorious vision" for an internment camp is seen through the windshield of a Tesla or perhaps... EarnestPutz Jan 2023 #6
+1 2naSalit Jan 2023 #22
Stated well. Delphinus Jan 2023 #38
Weedpatch Camp Roisin Ni Fiachra Jan 2023 #7
It's only a problem when it is an inconvenience to him. twodogsbarking Jan 2023 #8
Something needs to be done, at least he came up with Raine Jan 2023 #9
+1 2naSalit Jan 2023 #23
Certinly not him, nor any others of the My Hard-Earned Tax Dollars Brigade . . . hatrack Jan 2023 #26
You should see... 2naSalit Jan 2023 #27
How about building highways and bikeways way up high over them? GreenWave Jan 2023 #10
and this is how concentration camps begin to be acceptable dembotoz Jan 2023 #11
remove the undesirables (insert your preferred type) Magoo48 Jan 2023 #16
Agree yankee87 Jan 2023 #65
How about try building a more fair and just economy? Johnny2X2X Jan 2023 #12
Just how hard is it to build homes? hunter Jan 2023 #61
Bill needs his DeadHead card revoked and a visit from Jerry Garcia's ghost. GoCubsGo Jan 2023 #13
+1 2naSalit Jan 2023 #25
+1 LuckyCharms Jan 2023 #56
May he receive everything he deserves. niyad Jan 2023 #14
My small Wisconsin city has a homeless problem & most people here have had enough. elocs Jan 2023 #15
I thought I read some city newdayneeded Jan 2023 #28
The Salvation Army here will provide homeless with a place to sleep & meals, elocs Jan 2023 #47
NIMBY with extra steps. n/t aocommunalpunch Jan 2023 #24
Revolutionary 2 Reactionary LessAspin Jan 2023 #29
Yeah, I still remember him MurrayDelph Jan 2023 #30
The solution for "the homeless crisis" PatSeg Jan 2023 #31
Second Avenue Commons in Pgh Deminpenn Jan 2023 #32
I notice he was careful to do a head-fake in the direction of "I care about veterans." Aristus Jan 2023 #33
I had walton mixed up with someone who cares Marthe48 Jan 2023 #34
Maybe he should go live in a cave. LiberalFighter Jan 2023 #35
Didn't he used to be a liberal? He sounds crazy now. Ilsa Jan 2023 #41
Though this is an inhumane idea . . . peggysue2 Jan 2023 #42
So he's basically proposing an internment camp then? Initech Jan 2023 #43
People should read the article Mosby Jan 2023 #45
Free shuttles won't make homeless people move their tent to the desert. SunSeeker Jan 2023 #48
agreed. Homeless people want to move about freely like the rest of us. not wait on a shuttle sched BlueWaveNeverEnd Jan 2023 #49
'Civilized' nini Jan 2023 #51
" Individuals can reside in a community tent, or camp on their own "........ riversedge Jan 2023 #57
Don't shoot the messenger, bu this is from the linked article: Just A Box Of Rain Jan 2023 #64
A bit of Star Trek "history" we could do without: "sanctuary districts" JHB Jan 2023 #59
I need to rewatch Deep Space Nine... I don't recall this episode BlueWaveNeverEnd Jan 2023 #60
Season 2, episode 10: "Sanctuary" JHB Jan 2023 #62
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