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Sancho

(9,166 posts)
15. People Control, Not Gun Control
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 09:04 PM
Jan 2023

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

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K&R! dchill Jan 2023 #1
Kick! Samrob Jan 2023 #2
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2023 #3
Does not surprise me at all senseandsensibility Jan 2023 #4
I saw it earlier on a few news feeds. TigressDem Jan 2023 #32
Recommend onecaliberal Jan 2023 #5
HERO no_hypocrisy Jan 2023 #6
SHERO! niyad Jan 2023 #11
Abigail Z is Amazing!! TY Cha Jan 2023 #7
Of course she did. She's a teacher. TomSlick Jan 2023 #8
Agreed. I know many teachers and each are remarkable human beings. Tom Yossarian Joad Jan 2023 #16
Of course, the GOP would have preferred she had an Uzi and blew the 6 year old away ... nt Jarqui Jan 2023 #9
A good teacher with a gun.... SergeStorms Jan 2023 #20
Heartsick KNR. What is her condition now? I hope the parents of that 6 year old niyad Jan 2023 #10
Recommended. H2O Man Jan 2023 #12
Abby is courageous and an example of the best of humanity bronxiteforever Jan 2023 #13
Yep. OldBaldy1701E Jan 2023 #14
People Control, Not Gun Control Sancho Jan 2023 #15
I love your ideas here- let's add some more RainCaster Jan 2023 #17
I love ALL these ideas! calimary Jan 2023 #35
Gun control. Too many people here are too fucking stupid to have easy access to guns. Tom Yossarian Joad Jan 2023 #18
Yeah but $$$$$. nt AndyS Jan 2023 #21
But my FREEDUMB! Ray Bruns Jan 2023 #30
For safety shouldn't the teacher have walked the students towards the Gun? Gun people? Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2023 #37
I would Rebl2 Jan 2023 #19
"This should not be allowed to sink in media coverage." soldierant Jan 2023 #22
In America there is little time for culture and praise for the common folk. Culture wars, plenty. Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2023 #38
This is true. It is also the opposite of what John Adams, for one, wanted. soldierant Jan 2023 #40
Sad that the fascist party stops at studying politics and war, just added propaganda and clowns. Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2023 #42
Abigail Zwerner thank you for your action, and a speedy recovery republianmushroom Jan 2023 #23
She should be singled out for a Teacher of the Year award. calimary Jan 2023 #24
If only she had a gun to defend herself. progressoid Jan 2023 #25
Or if one of her other students had one? If the Janitor were armed and advised to shoot in such an Ford_Prefect Jan 2023 #27
❤️ ✿❧🌿❧✿ ❤️ Lucinda Jan 2023 #26
First time I've seen this part of the story reported. She is truly heroic! Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2023 #28
The GOP answer will be more guns IronLionZion Jan 2023 #29
Six year old homegirl Jan 2023 #31
He is six-years-old, he is not a Bad Seed obamanut2012 Jan 2023 #33
AS a parent and retired teacher I'M flummoxed... maddiemom Jan 2023 #36
Must charge parents Wild blueberry Jan 2023 #34
K & R SunSeeker Jan 2023 #39
I taught 1st grade for 15 years BigmanPigman Jan 2023 #41
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