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mahina

(20,085 posts)
26. agreed. here are some
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 06:21 PM
Dec 2022

Supreme court audio https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/audio/2022/21-1271

Supreme court transcrpt avail there too

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/supreme-court-oral-arguments-in-moore-v-harper-discredit-election-theory-that-could-undermine-democracy/

Today, the U.S. Supreme Court heard oral arguments* in Moore v. Harper, a case that could strike a major blow to free and fair elections. At least three justices in the court’s extreme conservative majority signaled their openness to adopting a discredited theory—the independent state legislature (ISL) theory—that could hand partisan state legislators potentially limitless power to manipulate election rules and draw unfair congressional districts. This theory—which even many conservative leaders deem meritless—could upend the nation’s system of checks and balances and undermine the emergence of a truly representative democracy. The Supreme Court would be wise to reject any form of the ISL theory when it issues its decision in this case next year.

As discussed in a recent Center for American Progress report and explored in today’s oral arguments, the ISL theory relies on a recklessly narrow reading of two clauses in the U.S. Constitution to assert that state legislatures—and only state legislatures—have the authority to set election related rules and draw congressional maps. Among others, the Claremont Institute’s John Eastman—the discredited lawyer to former President Donald Trump—is pushing this argument. Eastman’s amicus brief resembles those filed by several interconnected, right-wing organizations that have led an ongoing effort to restrict voting rights and sabotage valid election results.

Michael Sozan

Today’s arguments and numerous amicus briefs warn of the danger the ISL theory poses to free and fair elections
Today, counsel for the petitioners David Thompson argued unpersuasively that the high court should adopt the ISL theory and send this case back to North Carolina, where legislators should have sole authority to draw congressional maps, unfettered by the state’s constitution or courts. In trying to remain consistent with Supreme Court precedent, the petitioners’ counsel admitted that state legislatures are subject to various state-constitutional procedural requirements but argued that courts cannot set substantive constraints, as he said the North Carolina courts did.

The respondents’ attorneys, Neal Katyal and Donald Verrilli, both former U.S. solicitors general, alongside current Solicitor General Elizabeth Prelogar, cogently argued that the ISL theory would trample on well-established legal precedent and constitutional principles, as described in the overwhelming preponderance of the 69 amicus briefs filed in Moore v. Harper. Counsels explained in these briefs that the standard interpretation of “legislature” over several centuries broadly includes the state’s entire lawmaking process—not only state courts and the parameters of state constitutions, but also the governor’s signature or veto. As counsels stated, the ISL theory could threaten free and fair elections in several ways, including by stopping courts, constitutions, and governors from protecting voters from politicians; making election administration exceptionally chaotic; and pushing a massive wave of litigation into the federal courts.

These arguments echoed the conclusions of a slew of high-profile conservatives who filed amicus briefs arguing against the ISL theory, including state court chief justices, former judges, prominent attorneys, former members of Congress, a co-founder of the Federalist Society, and former U.S. solicitors general. In a recent op-ed published in The Atlantic, conservative stalwart Michael Luttig—a former federal circuit judge who co-wrote a key brief in this case—starkly warned that Moore v. Harper is “the most important case for American democracy in the almost two and a half centuries since America’s founding.” In another op-ed, published in CNN, Luttig wrote that he remains concerned that the ISL theory will be a central part of a future attempt by conservative extremists to steal elections.


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Katyal can win this if anyone can Bayard Dec 2022 #1
👍 You're so right: Katyal is a force to be reckoned with. Duppers Dec 2022 #27
Wait, What?? Clarence Thomas SPOKE?? AZ8theist Dec 2022 #50
😅 Duppers Dec 2022 #60
Reckon 3auld6phart Dec 2022 #65
and will crawl back into silence going forth stopdiggin Dec 2022 #83
I wouldn't watch Fox News, but soldierant Dec 2022 #70
It was a thing of beauty. He starts a little after 1:47 mahina Dec 2022 #75
Yeah, the conservative majority is a bunch of hypocrites gratuitous Dec 2022 #2
Exactly - drmeow Dec 2022 #49
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition... alterfurz Dec 2022 #52
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Nt Marcuse Dec 2022 #72
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Bingo. mahina Dec 2022 #76
That's a quote for the ages! BComplex Dec 2022 #84
Notice lately conservative Supreme Court Justices mocking lawyers and other members of the Court. Midnight Writer Dec 2022 #3
I've noticed that too. bluesbassman Dec 2022 #10
The court has already been packed. Mister Ed Dec 2022 #21
Unless somebody resigns or dies, adding Justices is the only viable option. bluesbassman Dec 2022 #33
Mr Ed is reframing the argument, & I agree. "Packing" sounds as bad as "Defund the police"... Hekate Dec 2022 #43
"...lifetime term without any oversight at all.." Herein lies part of the huge problem. Evolve Dammit Dec 2022 #51
Unelected lifetime term unbound by any ethics rules ... OMGWTF Dec 2022 #53
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It's like our side doesn't believe in marketing. CrispyQ Dec 2022 #93
Sorry I missed your reply before now, Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2022 #99
Declaring the current court a political body unworthy of stare decisis carpetbagger Dec 2022 #82
When you consider the fact that the population of the US has increased so much halfulglas Dec 2022 #88
Yeah, they've just all collectively declared it safe to pull off their Klan hoods. Texin Dec 2022 #85
I notice that too. Some of the replies are flippant, disrespectful, unprofessional. nt AnotherMother4Peace Dec 2022 #11
And a little bit smug. calimary Dec 2022 #22
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Alito's AshleyMadison.com jab directed at Kagan was breathtakingly bad. SunSeeker Dec 2022 #25
Probably. ShazzieB Dec 2022 #30
Not as bad as Justice James McReynolds ITAL Dec 2022 #31
Hell, he cited a 1600s witch-burner in Dodd orthoclad Dec 2022 #56
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well, that too, but.... Garibaldista Dec 2022 #100
Yes, money well spent! nt SunSeeker Dec 2022 #101
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K&R BootinUp Dec 2022 #4
Encouraging. madamesilverspurs Dec 2022 #5
i remember when it was banned here. ah the good old days. mopinko Dec 2022 #6
me too. barbtries Dec 2022 #13
Yes. ShazzieB Dec 2022 #35
I am tempted... skypilot Dec 2022 #15
Lol Unwind Your Mind Dec 2022 #66
agreed. here are some mahina Dec 2022 #26
It's a low-grade source, orthoclad Dec 2022 #58
Me too mahina Dec 2022 #77
And these guys on the Supreme Court, whining about their public perception, wonder why? SWBTATTReg Dec 2022 #7
Very Best of Good Luck to Cha Dec 2022 #8
Completely agree. They don't deserve that word and we should take it back mahina Dec 2022 #78
"Waited 30 years"? The only question Thomas is capable of asking, is 'is that my Coke?' peppertree Dec 2022 #9
Yes. The furry one. rubbersole Dec 2022 #40
*snort* peppertree Dec 2022 #41
Thomas has stated," He waited 30 years to get even with Democrats!" True Blue American Dec 2022 #79
Sure. Thomas is a vindictive crasshole - incapable of anything but grunts and brain farts. peppertree Dec 2022 #86
Oh, boy wish I had been there. Joinfortmill Dec 2022 #12
Retire already, you old kook. Denvermosaic Dec 2022 #14
He can watch "Long Dong Silver" to his heart's content. Sky Jewels Dec 2022 #20
And take Ginny with you, please Hekate Dec 2022 #45
Yup. Sky Jewels Dec 2022 #46
KnR. n/t iluvtennis Dec 2022 #16
Do the hard homework, the R's opposition folds like a cheap checker board every time. Demnation Dec 2022 #17
Oral argument transcript: scipan Dec 2022 #18
The "Roberts" Court is quickly becoming the Robber's Court as it takes away the rights that.... usaf-vet Dec 2022 #19
I dunno orthoclad Dec 2022 #38
And that's the plan. rubbersole Dec 2022 #44
Yeah. Check my comment here orthoclad Dec 2022 #48
Spot on. rubbersole Dec 2022 #54
To quote Captain Beefheart, orthoclad Dec 2022 #55
And exposing all this to the average American seems impossible. rubbersole Dec 2022 #61
They'd have to be careful of orthoclad Dec 2022 #62
I think I need another drink. rubbersole Dec 2022 #64
The implosion of the QOP orthoclad Dec 2022 #69
How long before they see NONE of the great "Q" predictions have come true? oldsoftie Dec 2022 #94
The end-of-the-worlders orthoclad Dec 2022 #96
I will look that up! And you describe a person I know too oldsoftie Dec 2022 #97
"secret knowledge" orthoclad Dec 2022 #98
People like your Grand daughters True Blue American Dec 2022 #80
Coincidentally, the granddaughters live in Atlanta. rubbersole Dec 2022 #87
Thank them for us! True Blue American Dec 2022 #89
Done. rubbersole Dec 2022 #90
My Son was griping about Democrats. True Blue American Dec 2022 #95
Take no prisoners, Neal. (nt) Paladin Dec 2022 #23
Good job RayStar Dec 2022 #24
If we'd listened to Anita Hill back then, we wouldn't have to listen to Thomas now. Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2022 #28
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like republianmushroom Dec 2022 #32
OMG wryter2000 Dec 2022 #34
Words before this particular Court won't matter orthoclad Dec 2022 #36
It's a good argument, but from Thomas's viewpoint there is no contradiction Amishman Dec 2022 #37
We have to understand, orthoclad Dec 2022 #59
States like CA should ignore the recent SCOTUS rulings on gun regulation. roamer65 Dec 2022 #47
I like that Unwind Your Mind Dec 2022 #67
The sociopath Thomas The Wizard Dec 2022 #81
Katyal is brilliant. Joinfortmill Dec 2022 #91
For this threaf LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2022 #102
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