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In reply to the discussion: Hundreds of people have died in Florida [View all]Kid Berwyn
(22,140 posts)66. That's for sure. Ask Lyndon B. Johnson about the Gulf of Tonkin.
He swore up and down North Vietnam attacked the US Navy with torpedoes, officially.
Who knew he was lying? As JFK was dead, no one with authority to change policy.
LBJ Tapes on the Gulf of Tonkin Incident
Source: John Prados, The White House Tapes
(New York: The New Press, 2003)
Excerpt
President Johnson: and he's saying you've got to study it further, and say to Mansfield, "Now the President wants us, you, to get the proper people." And we come in and you say, "They fired at us. We responded immediately. And we took out one of their boats and put the other two running. And we kept our..., we're puttin' our boats right there, and we're not running on in."
Secretary McNamara: And it's hard to destroy.
President Johnson: That's right
Secretary McNamara: Right. And we're going to, and I think I should also, or we should also at that time, Mr. President, explain this Op Plan 34-A, these covert operations. There's no question but what that had bearing on. And on Friday night, as you probably know, we had four TP [McNamara means PT] boats from Vietnam manned by Vietnamese or other nationals, attack two is lands. And we expended, oh, a thousand rounds of ammunition of one kind or another against them. We probably shot up a radar station and a few other miscellaneous buildings. And following twenty-four hours after that, with this destroyer in that same area, undoubtedly led them to connect the two events.
President Johnson: Well say that to Dirksen.
Secretary McNamara: That's what I know he'll like.
President Johnson: You notice Dirksen says this morning, that "we got to reassess the situation, do something about it." I'd tell him that we're doing what he's talking about.
Continues
https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB132/tapes.htm
And thats why I prefer to make up my own mind when it comes to the official version of fact.
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It just struck me because in other disasters the death toll is one of the things you hear first
Walleye
Sep 2022
#6
Yes it's a shame we can't trust the information from the state governor at a time like this
Walleye
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I kind of thought the recovery effort would make it difficult to determine the number of lives lost
Walleye
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#13
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Walleye
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#43
To be fair, the sheriff of the worst-hit county also said "hundreds" yesterday
muriel_volestrangler
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#84
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