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ForgedCrank

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39. Let's take that

Mon Jul 18, 2022, 11:43 PM

Jul 2022

one step further.
You have a harbor full of boats that keep getting holes in them all of the sudden. You think patching the hole in the one boat is the fix for the root cause?
No. Something is knocking holes in boats in this harbor. If we find out it is rocks, do we ban rocks? I know, it sounds ridiculous, doesn't it? How the hell will you get rid of all the rocks? And why attack the symptom? Those rocks weren't there last year and now they are. Are the rocks the cause of the problem? No, the rocks are a symptom.
What you do in a world where results are expected is you figure out how rocks are winding up in the harbor where they don't belong and correct that, the actual root cause.

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Was the good guy with the gun really a good guy, or was this just another AR-15 murder spree? [View all] gulliver Jul 2022 OP

Why all the ForgedCrank Jul 2022 #1

I'm wary of the idea of a 22-year-old walking around in a mall with a concealed weapon. gulliver Jul 2022 #3

He was ForgedCrank Jul 2022 #4

Yep SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2022 #5

Yes. BlackSkimmer Jul 2022 #48

At 22, he is an adult, not a kid. niyad Jul 2022 #75

I'm 60 SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2022 #78

Nobody should be carrying a gun in a Mall or anyplace like that. rockfordfile Jul 2022 #7

Well except the guy that prevented more deaths. SQUEE Jul 2022 #11

What? Accept victimhood ? To accept victimhood is to give up against pos with AR-15s rockfordfile Jul 2022 #15

I have multiple reasons to own multiple rifles, in multiple calibers. SQUEE Jul 2022 #29

I have been pretty damn anti gun, but thatdemguy Jul 2022 #38

Dozens would be dead but for him Raine Jul 2022 #16

We don't really know the defender's motive. gulliver Jul 2022 #14

I don't think ForgedCrank Jul 2022 #20

Well, again, "innocent man." gulliver Jul 2022 #24

We disagree on a couple ForgedCrank Jul 2022 #35

He is a heroe Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #60

+100. MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #63

Two things can be true at the same time kcr Jul 2022 #102

well said n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2022 #105

Great post. MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #109

Because it doesn't fit the preferred narrative Zeitghost Jul 2022 #43

Oh dear Jeebus 48656c6c6f20 Jul 2022 #47

Uhh, no, the hero didn't spray 20 some bullets, that was the asshole with the rifle, MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #55

Oh dear God! Sorry about that mistake 48656c6c6f20 Jul 2022 #71

He sprayed the rounds? SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2022 #73

Well one shot one kill 48656c6c6f20 Jul 2022 #85

I'll ask you the same question I asked someone else on this thread SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2022 #88

.... MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #92

In one of the reports DashOneBravo Jul 2022 #101

More bullshit, MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #76

I can't answer that and neither can you 48656c6c6f20 Jul 2022 #83

.... MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #89

Ahh 48656c6c6f20 Jul 2022 #91

Nice trolling there, but I'm done, all you're posting is pure MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #93

If you had been at that mall SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2022 #79

Naw, I'd be freaking the fuck out that the mall 48656c6c6f20 Jul 2022 #81

Got it SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2022 #84

No they were probably thinking 48656c6c6f20 Jul 2022 #90

Give it up, MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #94

The discussion ForgedCrank Jul 2022 #62

Thank You!!!! MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #66

Yes. He will not be unaffected by this. The problem is the AR 15 not the guy with a handgun Walleye Jul 2022 #2

Both are a symptom of a larger problem Bettie Jul 2022 #41

That is kind of ridiculous. Personally, I am glad the shooter was stopped. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #6

Same n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2022 #8

Agree nt Raine Jul 2022 #10

"This" shooter was stopped. He should have been stopped before he could be a shooter. gulliver Jul 2022 #12

Yeah and SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2022 #13

The world you're calling "perfect" is much easier to get to than a good guy with a gun strategy... gulliver Jul 2022 #17

If it's so easy SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2022 #18

Here's a very simple question SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2022 #19

Yes, and I've given you no reason to think otherwise gulliver Jul 2022 #31

Actually you have SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2022 #32

The comments here are ridiculous. Stopping mass murder is a Good thing. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #61

Nobody is claiming otherwise kcr Jul 2022 #103

"More wild west scenarios of good guy guns vs bad guy guns is bad." EX500rider Jul 2022 #111

There will be more scenarios of bad guy gun kcr Jul 2022 #112

Well that isn't going to happen anytime soon. So I will take what I can get. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #99

Of course it's a good thing the shooter was stopped Bucky Jul 2022 #37

He wasn't the first citizen to stop a mass shooting Raine Jul 2022 #9

It's not the number of preventions that matters, it's the rate. gulliver Jul 2022 #21

Wow SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2022 #23

Well, of course I didn't say that or imply it in any way. gulliver Jul 2022 #25

Your words, not mine SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2022 #26

Right, and it's clear the context is that a failure to accept sensible gun control... gulliver Jul 2022 #27

I notice you haven't SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2022 #28

The event wasn't a win. gulliver Jul 2022 #30

It's certainly a win SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2022 #33

Can't disagree gulliver Jul 2022 #36

What an insulting and ridiculous argument Bucky Jul 2022 #42

No one SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2022 #45

Actually Bucky one person says it's like boats. Let the leaky boats sink while you find out why Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #68

That is basically it...the bodies would have advanced our cause...well not mine. That is some Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #64

This thread has confirmed something I have suspected sarisataka Jul 2022 #74

I know right? Some seem to believe the more bodies the better and by stopping the shooting, Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #86

Yep DashOneBravo Jul 2022 #98

Let's take that ForgedCrank Jul 2022 #39

It can often work that way gulliver Jul 2022 #44

So hey some more dead...probably some of them kids Need to die for the greater good and they Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #67

I didn't ForgedCrank Jul 2022 #69

You don't seem to care about the people who may have died without intervention...sad really. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #96

I'd like for ForgedCrank Jul 2022 #100

You post is so offensive. There are no words. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #70

There's always ForgedCrank Jul 2022 #72

I think this is a little bit different... Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #95

A seriously sick post. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #87

The problem is when a "good guy with a gun" happens, usually is only PufPuf23 Jul 2022 #22

Some people want to find something to blame the good guy with a gun for ripcord Jul 2022 #34

Both. /nt artemisia1 Jul 2022 #40

I long for the day where we don't need heroes with guns. Emile Jul 2022 #46

Agree n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2022 #53

+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #59

Not even close. 48656c6c6f20 Jul 2022 #49

Wow!!!! MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #57

the 22 yr old... Locrian Jul 2022 #50

Three people still died malaise Jul 2022 #51

Three people still died malaise Jul 2022 #52

How is that the solution? PTWB Jul 2022 #56

You convinced me, we need a ban on handguns too! Emile Jul 2022 #65

Great! I'm sure that will happen soon. PTWB Jul 2022 #82

Agree 100% SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2022 #54

+100. MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #58

He went against everything some people believe in ripcord Jul 2022 #77

+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #80

exactly - there is no black/white here Locrian Jul 2022 #104

For some, the answer to your question sarisataka Jul 2022 #106

yes I see that.... sad Locrian Jul 2022 #107

He was legally carrying, per Indiana law. AngryOldDem Jul 2022 #97

This is a great way to lose votes in November brooklynite Jul 2022 #108

Yep SickOfTheOnePct Jul 2022 #110