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Baitball Blogger

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Sat Jul 9, 2022, 09:24 AM Jul 2022

My guess to why Cipollone came clean, assuming he did. [View all]

Last edited Sat Jul 9, 2022, 09:59 AM - Edit history (1)

From my experiences with bad political lawyers, they suddenly remember their ethical obligations when "word gets out on the street." That's an actual quote from a bad, good ole boy style lawyer in Central Florida. These are the kind of lawyers that work both the private and public sector. You'll find them as City or County lawyers at the same time that they represent private companies that are seeking approval from government.

It isn't uncommon for them to be members of, or even president of the Chamber of Commerce. With the connections they make working both sectors, it is easy for them to control the information that elected officials have in order to make decisions that will benefit the lawyer's clients, and their own pockets.

Because privacy is key to this process, communications are usually through phone calls. Back at the turn of the Millennium, I had a conversation with a group of ex-commissioners and they all told me the same thing. The City attorney would contact them by phone before City meetings and conversations would always be the same. He would impart the information and would say, I have already talked to so and so and they told me they're leaning in favor. Hard to argue with the lawyer when he's the one controlling the information on a subject they may know very little about. Especially when the lawyer goes out of his way to make them feel special, like telling them, "Don't worry, I've got your back." And they did feel special up until the moment they lost an election and were swiftly ghosted. He wouldn't even take their phone calls.

As you would expect, "regular" people who became part of this network believed they were suddenly bullet proof. They see another world that bends the rules to get whatever objective the government is reaching for under the guise of "public good." What happens when these people begin to weave their own personal objectives into this backwater framework? I can write that story.

Bottomline, lawyers can't control all that can go wrong when elected officials start to ad lib. This backwater world only works when there is secrecy and discretion. It is, afterall, a backwater, backroom, shadow government that they're running. Unfortunately for them, the most ethically fluid people may be the easiest ones to use, but they're also the most unpredictable. They talk, they're braggarts. And word finally gets out on the street.

I have to say that locally, they did a great job of tamping down on the public that caught on and tried to expose the group that went rogue here in the nineties, even when word got on the street. I could write that story. Fear mongering, bullying, and defamation. That's how they managed to silence everyone.

The only way out of this rabbit hole is through a formal investigation that will force the lawyers to talk. And some of them will talk because they know that it's the only way to save what's left of their professional reputation. Without it, you become a Giuliani. Someone who the public sees as a cross between a charlatan and con-man. I'm willing to bet that Cipollone is a step or two above Giuliani. He's the kind that will talk because word is now out on the street.

And for that, we have Cassidy Hutchinson and the J6 Committee to thank. You need both to break the pattern.

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Nicely stated...... MyOwnPeace Jul 2022 #1
It has been easier to write about what I observed in the nineties locally since Trump Baitball Blogger Jul 2022 #2
"The Country Club environment........." MyOwnPeace Jul 2022 #20
"Insular groups of men often do bad things". They protect each other, collude, cover up. SharonAnn Jul 2022 #26
My local story involved a woman who tried to outdo them. Baitball Blogger Jul 2022 #29
"Insular groups of men often do bad things" empedocles Jul 2022 #58
Cipollone turned, he did not want to testify. fightforfreedom Jul 2022 #3
We don't know to what extent he opened up, if at all... getagrip_already Jul 2022 #59
Yes. A lot of assumptions are being made. LudwigPastorius Jul 2022 #61
I think I heard someone say... Cracklin Charlie Jul 2022 #4
I don't know, have you ever been Mr.Bill Jul 2022 #55
Yes, I was close friends with some girls who had 13 kids in the family. Cracklin Charlie Jul 2022 #60
I think a lot of people assume Cippolone is a bad guy ... Novara Jul 2022 #5
I bet he would vote for Trump again. fightforfreedom Jul 2022 #6
Maybe Novara Jul 2022 #12
Probably. It's only as the last WH 'Constitution Cop' that he actually can't show loyalty. But he'd ancianita Jul 2022 #39
He was a Dittohead! leftieNanner Jul 2022 #17
Does that mean he doesn't have anything valuable to pass on to the committee? Novara Jul 2022 #23
Oh Absolutely! leftieNanner Jul 2022 #34
Understood. Novara Jul 2022 #37
Now THAT would be worth the price of admission! leftieNanner Jul 2022 #41
He defended Trump against impeachment. tblue37 Jul 2022 #28
Your point? Novara Jul 2022 #33
My point is not that he isn't a valuable witness, but that I question his ethics. tblue37 Jul 2022 #44
Who cares about his ethics if he brings down the orange motherfucker? Novara Jul 2022 #54
He's uber Catholic as well. meadowlander Jul 2022 #56
Cipollone is very well off PJMcK Jul 2022 #63
Wish I could give this a thousand recs! .. msfiddlestix Jul 2022 #7
Thank you. What a compliment! Baitball Blogger Jul 2022 #11
If ever you are motivated and inspired to write one or more of those stories, post to your journal! msfiddlestix Jul 2022 #21
I will do that. Thank you. Baitball Blogger Jul 2022 #24
I really love reading your posts in general... so I'm a big fan! msfiddlestix Jul 2022 #25
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As for the 'stories,' I hope the Jan 6 committee publishes transcripts of his testimony. ancianita Jul 2022 #40
Didn't Don McGahn precede Cipollone as Chump's White House legal advisor? FakeNoose Jul 2022 #8
Isn't it nice to know that even Federalist Society lawyers have a line? Baitball Blogger Jul 2022 #13
The USSC "Gang of Six" is filling up the radar screen with shenanigans. jaxexpat Jul 2022 #36
"highly partisan operators" Baitball Blogger Jul 2022 #43
This reminds me, I'm not sure what Mcgann testified to Mueller msfiddlestix Jul 2022 #22
Yes at the time that Mueller's report came out FakeNoose Jul 2022 #57
Kick dalton99a Jul 2022 #9
Excellent Piece, Ma'am The Magistrate Jul 2022 #10
Thank you, Magistrate. Baitball Blogger Jul 2022 #14
DC Beltway rep duckworth969 Jul 2022 #15
So we need to listen for the name that DOES NOT come up. Baitball Blogger Jul 2022 #16
You got it. Cipollone wants to save his own ass. Nothing More & Nothing Less. It ain't complicated. Stuart G Jul 2022 #18
I heard on an MSNBC show last night cilla4progress Jul 2022 #19
Very important. H2O Man Jul 2022 #30
Right - forgot about that! cilla4progress Jul 2022 #35
Right. H2O Man Jul 2022 #42
Seems like a scenario in Orange County, Fl rubbersole Jul 2022 #31
Back when Charlie Crist - or Bush - was governor, there was an actual clean-up of political Baitball Blogger Jul 2022 #47
+1, uponit7771 Jul 2022 #64
A great post with a very interesting perspective! yonder Jul 2022 #32
Thank you for sharing this insight (nt) Pluvious Jul 2022 #38
It's the classic Prisoner's Dilemma. The first to squeal gets the best deal Bucky Jul 2022 #45
Dealing with lawyers in school buisness we had one rule. gordianot Jul 2022 #46
Do they remember their ethics, or ... Martin Eden Jul 2022 #48
He's a conservative Republican nowforever Jul 2022 #49
The double standard for the two parties when it comes to oversight is Baitball Blogger Jul 2022 #52
I heard a quote on a TV show the other day. It fits mercuryblues Jul 2022 #50
Good one. Baitball Blogger Jul 2022 #51
Thank you for sharing your insight on this all too common practice in communities around the country dlk Jul 2022 #53
I want to think he's just patriotic and decided... Septua Jul 2022 #62
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