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Pyryck

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Tue Jun 7, 2022, 01:35 PM Jun 2022

I engaged an avowed "conservative" regarding Jan 6th last night... [View all]

He had on his favorite, and only source of information, where the talking head on the TV was carrying on about the 20000 national guard troops on standby on Jan 6th and how it was "Pelosi's" fault they were not called into action to defend Congress.

I started with asking why the crowds of peaceful, law-abiding, police-supporting republicans, AKA supporters of the Law-n-Order party ... ignored the lawful police orders, created disorder by assaulted the police and then proceeded to break into the building housing congress.

His response was it was "instigators" that encouraged the crowds to violent behavior. Of course he also trotted out the whole "antifa did it" propaganda talking point. I pointed out that he told me his own father served in North Africa, Italy and then France in WWII.
And then I made a point of describing exactly who it was that his father fought against - nazi fascism and italian fascism which would make his own father, and the rest of the Greatest Generation, Anti Fascists. I also pointed out that I considered myself to be "antifa" and asked him why didn't he whip out his AR-15 style weapon and shoot me.

He did mention about some militarily attired teams that led the way up the steps and into the capitol but had no clue and no idea of what the Proud Boys, Oathkeepers and 3%'ers were/are. Because those groups are not mentioned, described, advertised or talked about on his only source of fair-n-balanced reporting.

I asked him why if it was such peaceful and orderly protest to "take back the country", why then did the Republican members of congress flee for their safety, and in fear of their lives, instead of openly embracing their constituent supporters and engaging them in supportive conversation.

No answer.

I pointed out the events involving the VP and the CEO in the Whitehouse's own words about hanging his own VP.

He answered that he had heard about that but had no more comment about it.

I finally asked him about the 20000 National Guard troops that were on standby and alert to deploy. I asked him if the gathering down the street where the CEO talked to his followers was so peaceful and all about "taking back the country" why then would the CEO need 20000 national guard troops for that. I mentioned the CEO and Republican talking points about the "infestation of the Pentagon by democrats" and the military leaders in the Pentagon not being in the CEO's back pocket, why then would the CEO need so many troops on standby if he couldn't count on their support.

He answered that the 20000 national guard troops were on standby to stop a coup.

Something else he pointed out and kept trying to rebut everything I was saying was the ORGANIZED Democratic Party wanted to give the right to vote to everyone else, including immigrants, while taking away his right to vote.

We talked about a few other things like our differing religious beliefs - he being a believer and follower and carrying on about Armageddon and the "End Days". And me not being a believer. He pointed out that his wife, who grew up a believer and went to church in her young and middle years, and then in her later years before passing away in 2015, stated that she didn't believe in the bible because it was written by men to influence and control men's thoughts. Go MOM!

Yes, my own father, and gawd how I love him in spite of all of this, was/is the avowed fascist entertainment channel watcher and believer of "fair-n-balanced" and truthful reporting of unbiased information.

He did mention that one of the signs of the coming Armageddon and the finals days - was the children rising up against their parents.

He keeps pointing out that I don't want to accept his opinions and respect them. How can you have/keep such uninformed, un-educated, non-thinking opinions and still expect other people to acknowledge and respect them.

How is any sane, intelligent, thinking, observing, questioning person supposed to live with the above every single day in the same house? In the same city? State? Country?

How can we as a country or nation survive this assault? How in the hell will Democracy ever survive this attack by one of it's two major political parties?

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