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BumRushDaShow

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34. Consider that although initially, it was viceral and haphazard to start
Sat May 21, 2022, 10:13 AM
May 2022

much of the "organizing and planning" began to take shape when various coup plotters began to look at what they considered "legal" justifications for their actions - notably locking onto this as their "get out of jail free" card -

Article II

Section 1.

The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his office during the term of four years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same term, be elected, as follows:

Each state shall appoint, in such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a number of electors, equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or person holding an office of trust or profit under the United States, shall be appointed an elector.

The electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for two persons, of whom one at least shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves. And they shall make a list of all the persons voted for, and of the number of votes for each; which list they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates, and the votes shall then be counted. The person having the greatest number of votes shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such majority, and have an equal number of votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately choose by ballot one of them for President; and if no person have a majority, then from the five highest on the list the said House shall in like manner choose the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by States, the representation from each state having one vote; A quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. In every case, after the choice of the President, the person having the greatest number of votes of the electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal votes, the Senate shall choose from them by ballot the Vice President.

The Congress may determine the time of choosing the electors, and the day on which they shall give their votes; which day shall be the same throughout the United States.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleii


So they started rounding up loon state legislators in states they wanted to flip and the plan was set into motion to "disrupt" and try to reverse the outcome before or on each date associated with the deadlines required to complete the Electoral College process, which included the following (this is where a Ginni Thomas "pressure campaign" comes into play) -

1.) Individual state deadlines to complete vote counts and certify the election
2.) "Safe Harbor" date when all certifications need to be done
3.) Electoral College meeting date and final vote
4.) Joint Congressional session to formally receive, publicly disclose, and carry out the final tally of the Electoral College results (this date being January 6, the day of the insurrection)

Here is a good historical summary of the process -

Biden's Victory Cemented As States Reach Key Electoral College Deadline

December 8, 2020 5:00 AM ET
Heard on Morning Edition

(snip)

Most Americans see Election Day as the end of the long political season aimed at choosing new federal leadership, but it's really only the beginning. On Nov. 3, voters actually voted for which Electoral College electors to represent them, not for the presidential candidates themselves. Those electors then meet and cast votes, which are counted and finalized by Congress. "The Electoral College is pretty complicated because it's a process," said Rob Alexander, a political science professor at Ohio Northern University and the author of a book on the Electoral College. "It's not one thing, it's not one event."

(snip)

Poorly written legislation

The Tuesday deadline was put in place by a piece of 130-year-old legislation widely criticized as "almost unintelligible." The Electoral Count Act of 1887 came as a reaction to the presidential election of 1876, which saw Democrat Samuel Tilden win the popular vote but ultimately lose the presidency to Republican Rutherford B. Hayes because of contested election results coming from three Southern states under the control of Reconstruction governments. Congress had no rules in place to deal with such a scenario, so it created an ad hoc commission to decide the presidency and then passed the 1887 law afterward to avoid similar situations in the future.


The legislation is "extraordinarily complex" and "far from the model of statutory drafting," according to an analysis by the National Task Force on Election Crises, but it does create a clearer timeline for when states need to have their election results finalized. Electoral College electors are scheduled to meet in states across the country on the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December (Dec. 14 this year) to cast their votes. And if a state has finalized its results six days before then, according to the ECA, then those results qualify for "safe harbor" status — meaning Congress must treat them as the "conclusive" results, even if, for example, a state's legislature sends in a competing set of results.

(snip)

Key Election Dates

Dec. 8: States finish vote certification

Dec. 14: Electors vote

Jan. 6: Congress formalizes the outcome

Jan. 20: Inauguration Day

"If a state can conclude its process of appointing electors by that [safe harbor deadline] then Congress is bound by federal law to accept the slate of electors that is arrived upon by that date," said Rebecca Green, the co-director of the Election Law program at William and Mary. Both Green and Alexander, of Ohio Northern, said they expect a few "faithless electors" to vote on Dec. 14 for a different candidate than voters chose but nowhere near enough to affect the underlying result. A majority of states have some sort of law that either removes, penalizes, or cancels the votes of such errant electors, and the Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of such rules earlier this year. Trump allies in Congress may still look to stir drama during the electoral vote counting on Jan. 6, but a Biden presidency at this point is virtually certain.

(snip)

https://www.npr.org/2020/12/08/942288226/bidens-victory-cemented-as-states-reach-deadline-for-certifying-vote-tallies


The above December 8, 2020 NPR article was sadly prophetic with the last sentence in the above excerpt -

Trump allies in Congress may still look to stir drama during the electoral vote counting on Jan. 6, but a Biden presidency at this point is virtually certain.


And with the myriad of both state court-filed and federal court-filed lawsuits that ensued against multiple states including my own, without achieving the goal of "replacing Electors" before the final Electoral vote, then the plan was to go through the "objection" process (which was coordinated so that it would be guaranteed to proceed by having both of the statutorily-required House and Senate members signing on to each objection) and then the vote to accept or reject a state's electors (which they should have known would fail since they didn't control all of Congress). And while this was going on, the "go ahead" was given at the "Stop the Steal" rally analogous to Shakespeare's Mark Antony speaking about Caesar's spirit commanding "Cry havoc let slip the dogs of war".

And so that is what happened that afternoon of January 6 (where many on DU including myself, were watching it live on TV), with all hell breaking loose, until things were finally brought under control by about 5 pm ET with the purposely delayed but eventual arrival of the National Guard.

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They surely believed they would succeed or ignored their mountain of evidence left behind bucolic_frolic May 2022 #1
I posted about this a few days ago ... NanceGreggs May 2022 #4
what amazes/amuses me is their confidence they would agingdem May 2022 #14
Simply put - they thought they couldn't lose Generic Brad May 2022 #18
GMTA ... NanceGreggs May 2022 #19
two things- trump's royal certitude and talk radio, which was all on the same page certainot May 2022 #45
You're on to something there, certain. summer_in_TX May 2022 #51
That's the thing about coups..... paleotn May 2022 #21
In America, No riverbendviewgal May 2022 #33
"None got punished".. I think FDR used it as a lever to get his economic package passed mitch96 May 2022 #48
And they trusted tfg... stupid, stupid, stupid. Talitha May 2022 #40
I'm not so sure it was all that well thought out or coordinated NJCher May 2022 #2
I do think it was coordinated, that it didn't work as planned was because there were a lot of Escurumbele May 2022 #5
I think it was planned and somewhat coordinated, PatSeg May 2022 #30
+1. it was a rolling sh*t show stopdiggin May 2022 #37
Probably too much action/adventure movies PatSeg May 2022 #43
Some coups do fail on the first try. wnylib May 2022 #46
Oh, I agree PatSeg May 2022 #50
Fair Point About Who Knew What and When Roy Rolling May 2022 #6
Now that you mentioned it... Hugin May 2022 #13
And Trump of course PatSeg May 2022 #36
The extent of the conspiracy to bring down Democracy in the USA was staggering, but it also Escurumbele May 2022 #3
much of what transpired was talked about openly stopdiggin May 2022 #35
Yeah, the select committee is going to show the world, gab13by13 May 2022 #7
Yep, it's now a cold coup... Hugin May 2022 #15
I don't Rebl2 May 2022 #25
I really hope this samplegirl May 2022 #8
A large minority of people wryter2000 May 2022 #31
The Democrats need to advertise the J6 hearings... MiHale May 2022 #9
I thought Rebl2 May 2022 #24
Agreed DetroitLegalBeagle May 2022 #38
Any Republican Party Official Or Legislator, Sir The Magistrate May 2022 #10
It really has rocked my faith in the republic, one day we could wake up and be in a autocracy wildman76 May 2022 #11
I hope they also follow the money radical noodle May 2022 #12
Good point. the committee has followed the money. fightforfreedom May 2022 #16
Post removed Post removed May 2022 #17
Poor kiyon. He disrupted badly. Bye, kiyon, you imbecile. Scrivener7 May 2022 #20
Was that Kevin McCarthy? hunter May 2022 #22
Maybe it was! But whoever it was, his pea brain was concerned that we are calling it a coup. Scrivener7 May 2022 #28
perfectly stated Evolve Dammit May 2022 #23
The GOP figures the DOJ would never prosecute half the US Congress. Irish_Dem May 2022 #26
Were there more recruits? kentuck May 2022 #27
to call what Ginni Thomas was doing 'organized' stopdiggin May 2022 #29
My point about about Ginni is this. fightforfreedom May 2022 #32
it was being talked about on talk radio stopdiggin May 2022 #42
Consider that although initially, it was viceral and haphazard to start BumRushDaShow May 2022 #34
Cheating is cheating. Rigging an election is still wrong. Stealing is still wrong. TigressDem May 2022 #41
I don't disagree BumRushDaShow May 2022 #49
excellent post! thanks. -(nt)- stopdiggin May 2022 #44
And death to those who lead the treason show TigressDem May 2022 #39
Well before 1/6, I was amazed at the money being spent for travel and rally setup. KY_EnviroGuy May 2022 #47
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