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In reply to the discussion: Rob Reiner on MSNBC talking about end of Democracy [View all]Silent3
(15,909 posts)65. Trump exorting the crowd to "fight like hell" is, in and of itself, damning evidence to me
I'm fucking sick and tired of government officials being held to such low standards that you'd have to be inside Trump's head and know that he explicitly meant "Go violently assault Congress". When you're in that high a position of responsibility, you should damned well be accountable for the results of inflammatory rhetoric even if you're too damned stupid to know you're playing with fire.
Think we better prepare to beat them at polls, rather than spending time trying to keep them off ballot.
Again with the "rather than", as if we're talking about mutually exclusive actions again. That's a mental habit of false dichotomies you should break.
As for "without alienating the 5 to 10%", you seem to envision a situation where indicting, convicting, or excluding people like Trump or MTG from the ballot somehow drives away people who would vote for Democrats and/or energizes more people to vote for Republicans, rather than quite possibly invigorating Democratic voters and demoralizing Republican voters. The latter seems much more likely than the former to me.
If you think Democratic victory can and should depend entirely on GOTV, to the utter exclusion of any other efforts, you'd better be braced for crushing disappointment.
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It may be bad to indict a former president BUT its much worse not to indict a former president
milestogo
Apr 2022
#16
If you can't indict a former President, they're admitting we have no Rule of law
Marius25
Apr 2022
#30
Yes, voters convicted trump in November 2020. But, if you want to believe democracy is dead, go
Hoyt
Apr 2022
#14
And how do we determine they participated in that based upon an Amendment clearly written to
Hoyt
Apr 2022
#31
MTG will be on the ballot because the rinky dink action will fail. Greene and trump continue winning
Hoyt
Apr 2022
#46
Beat the MFers at the polls only works w/ protected, open, honest election processes.
NullTuples
Apr 2022
#37
And trying to manipulate ballots to keep people we don't like off is an honest election? Christ.
Hoyt
Apr 2022
#39
Not sure what you're referring to. I'm talking about the state election processes themselves.
NullTuples
Apr 2022
#41
Belief in GOTV to win in '22 and '24 is unicorn-shitting-rainbows optimism too many on DU have.
Efilroft Sul
Apr 2022
#48
DC has long had the attitude that loss of office / sweet lobbyist bucks was the ultimate punishment
NullTuples
Apr 2022
#72
The thread OP is about indicting trump. It morphed into Greene. Folks seem bent on keeping them off
Hoyt
Apr 2022
#58
GOTV is a necessary, but possibly insufficient means to beat Republican ratfuckery.
Silent3
Apr 2022
#59
To enforce 14th Amendement, seems one needs proof of them participating in an insurrection.
Hoyt
Apr 2022
#60
Trump exorting the crowd to "fight like hell" is, in and of itself, damning evidence to me
Silent3
Apr 2022
#65
Of course, they don't give a damn. A Democratic pundit who used to post here actually told me
Midwestern Democrat
Apr 2022
#67