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42. Nope. Doesn't. Read original OP.

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Wed Jan 12, 2022, 09:16 PM

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***Schumer announces plan to bypass filibuster on voting rights legislation.*** [View all] pnwmom Jan 2022 OP

Was just coming to post this Nevilledog Jan 2022 #1

This part is seemingly a buzz kill Tom Rinaldo Jan 2022 #8

It's definitely not foolproof. Nevilledog Jan 2022 #14

the plus here is getting to debate dsc Jan 2022 #27

Yep. Because....Manchin and Sinema might not go for it. PatrickforB Jan 2022 #62

Gonna need a pretty big stick to get SineManchin support for voting rights. lagomorph777 Jan 2022 #75

Yeah, they both like money far, far more than voters. PatrickforB Jan 2022 #77

Biden is aging (as we all are) and anything the Republicans do is messing with his legacy and woodsprite Jan 2022 #79

You mean they could've done this the whole time? OhZone Jan 2022 #2

They can debate the bill using this process, but still requires 60 votes to close debate and Calista241 Jan 2022 #3

I think the idea is to use a bill that has already passed the senate unblock Jan 2022 #12

That's not correct mcar Jan 2022 #24

Ah, I see. Jfc very disappointing given the headline. unblock Jan 2022 #43

I feel the same mcar Jan 2022 #44

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2022 #67

Nope. Doesn't. Read original OP. paleotn Jan 2022 #42

Nope, still need 60 votes to move the bill to the floor for a vote. Calista241 Jan 2022 #55

Got it. Thanks! paleotn Jan 2022 #84

TIME TO STOP FUCKING AROUND HAS ARRIVED Beetwasher. Jan 2022 #4

If we do this, will we have 50+1 vote to win the actual vote? unblock Jan 2022 #5

No way to know. pnwmom Jan 2022 #9

That is the question, and based on Manchin's and Sinema's past actions, I see no reason for optimism JohnSJ Jan 2022 #10

So far, their objection seem to be about "changing" or "nuking" the filibuster unblock Jan 2022 #15

I thought Manchin's whole argument was getting bipartisan support on voting rights legislation JohnSJ Jan 2022 #16

That's been his argument for keeping the filibuster unblock Jan 2022 #19

This doesn't bypass the filibuster in terms of passing the bill FBaggins Jan 2022 #28

To pass any legislation into law you have to have a majority vote aye. cstanleytech Jan 2022 #37

Sinema went to the floor of the Senate to say no wryter2000 Jan 2022 #80

Yay gab13by13 Jan 2022 #6

That will set some conservatives' souls on fire! bucolic_frolic Jan 2022 #7

They need 60 votes to end debate on the bill. Calista241 Jan 2022 #56

Calvinball. Girard442 Jan 2022 #11

None of this will produce any results Mr.Bill Jan 2022 #13

Well, first--YAY! Bayard Jan 2022 #17

Basically yes madville Jan 2022 #18

Wow Bayard Jan 2022 #60

They still need 60 votes to end debate. Drunken Irishman Jan 2022 #72

It's a start SallyHemmings Jan 2022 #20

Can't they just call it the Joe Manchin Voting Rights Bill ? I'm sure John Lewis would understand... OnDoutside Jan 2022 #21

Now there's an idea! PortTack Jan 2022 #23

so like Dorothy we had the ability all along? What about doing this with BBB? joanbarnes Jan 2022 #22

BBB is spending, thus eligible for reconciliation per the Byrd Rule. Voting rights is not. paleotn Jan 2022 #46

BBB is already under reconciliation needing only 50 votes ... meaning it needs all Democrats karynnj Jan 2022 #53

i just don't see this going anywhere. Takket Jan 2022 #25

Good, glad he found a way Bettie Jan 2022 #26

Do it, rather than announcing it. Hoyt Jan 2022 #29

Yes, Magoo48 Jan 2022 #61

If manchin and sinema vote no, it will on record and good primary fodder for AZ Dems come '24 PortTack Jan 2022 #30

+1, they will still need 60 votes to STOP debate seeing the bypassed votes to open debate by the 3 uponit7771 Jan 2022 #68

this will not work, the text of your own OP explains why Celerity Jan 2022 #31

But this will put those senators on the record as prioritizing the filibuster over voting rights Fiendish Thingy Jan 2022 #49

Yes, and so ironic that you replied about that, as I just said the same thing in another thread, lol Celerity Jan 2022 #52

I have a question for all the naysayers in here saying this can't work. ShazzieB Jan 2022 #32

True. Schumer is not stupid h2ebits Jan 2022 #38

Bingo. I will not be dragged into their pity party. paleotn Jan 2022 #45

Yes, I'm with you on this... Chuck is not stupid and must have a plan in mind that liberalla Jan 2022 #47

The headline misrepresents what he said. NYC Liberal Jan 2022 #59

RIGHT !! This is a procedural vote to get people on record not a end around the filibuster uponit7771 Jan 2022 #66

Of course not, that doesn't mean he wont go through procedural votes to get people on record either uponit7771 Jan 2022 #65

People are misunderstanding this strategy. It does not bypass the filibuster. onenote Jan 2022 #33

Thanks for that clarification. n/t Ellipsis Jan 2022 #36

Yes, everything still hinges on those two. But they need to be put on the spot. nt pnwmom Jan 2022 #50

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2022 #64

Is this a back door to a talking filibuster Tatertot Jan 2022 #34

Manchin's version of the talking filibuster is a sham at the end of the day, as his version still Celerity Jan 2022 #35

I don't know how that would work Tatertot Jan 2022 #39

Wow. Excellent News. Was not aware of this procedure. msfiddlestix Jan 2022 #40

Yes, the fact that we still need 60 votes to END debate this just gets rid of the BEGIN debate part uponit7771 Jan 2022 #70

yeah.. after reading other responses after i posted, my optimism levels dropped to the basement msfiddlestix Jan 2022 #73

Well, this gets around one part of filibuster procedure I'm thinking they'll have SOME way of ... uponit7771 Jan 2022 #74

creative... myohmy2 Jan 2022 #41

Yes, right now its carving out exception to END debate Schumer's just getting rid of BEGINING debate uponit7771 Jan 2022 #71

Makes me want to stand up and shout!!! ffr Jan 2022 #48

This will be fun to watch LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2022 #51

You left out Cooper's 2nd tweet that shows the claim of that reply tweeter to be false Celerity Jan 2022 #54

Thank you . . ., markpkessinger Jan 2022 #81

And as predicted (and I fully documented as to why) I was right Celerity Jan 2022 #82

...K&R... spanone Jan 2022 #57

/// usaf-vet Jan 2022 #58

***THIS ISN'T HAPPENING*** "... Democrats to pass a carveout of the filibuster rules ..." uponit7771 Jan 2022 #63

Yep. nt Roisin Ni Fiachra Jan 2022 #69

It would be nice to pass this with bipartisan support Buckeyeblue Jan 2022 #76

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2022 #78

not perfect, but gets us better OneCrazyDiamond Jan 2022 #83