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Celerity

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31. this will not work, the text of your own OP explains why
Wed Jan 12, 2022, 07:58 PM
Jan 2022
After senators speak, a motion will be made to end debate on the bill and move to final passage. Republican senators could filibuster the motion, but that would be the opportunity for Senate Democrats to pass a carveout of the filibuster rules for voting rights legislation.



Manchin and likely also Sinema will NOT vote for a carve out, so it will still be dead in the water. Tester and Kelly are also balking at a carve out as well atm.

I posted on this 10 hours ago.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216237951

Now onto tactics. Schumer can call up the Freedom to Vote Act (supported by all 50 Senate Democrats) or the Senate version of the John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act (supported by all Senate Democrats besides Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia) or both. Both bills have been blocked by unyielding GOP opposition. Schumer can call for their reconsideration at any time.

However, there’s another, more complex plan under consideration to provide an alternative way for Senate consideration.

The House this week is supposed to take up an amendment to a bill dealing with NASA’s leasing “underutilized” property to private entities. The House and Senate have ping-ponged this bill back and forth already.

Under this new plan – which is still just under consideration, it hasn’t been agreed to yet – Speaker Nancy Pelosi and House Democrats would use this NASA bill as a shell, strip out the existing language and insert the Freedom to Vote Act instead. The House would then pass this revised bill and send it onto the Senate. Since it’s a “message” between the House and Senate, there’s no filibuster on the motion to proceed to the legislation. That means the Senate could take it up quickly.

Senate Republicans will still filibuster the underlying bill and Schumer would have to file cloture in order to cut off debate and force a vote. That hasn’t changed. So, in sum, a GOP filibuster still has to be overcome, but there’s only one cloture vote, compared to two with a regular bill.

Yet the advantage of this proposed plan is that Schumer would be filing cloture on a voting rights bill that’s already been adopted by the House, instead of the Senate-only version of the legislation. Thus when Republicans filibuster the measure, they’d be blocking a bill that just needs Senate approval in order to head to the president’s desk. It’s a distinction with a difference.

Schumer is expected to unveil more on his next steps today, so let’s return to the strategy discussion. As we said, Schumer doesn’t have the votes to pass the Freedom to Vote Act – any version of it – due to a GOP opposition. And he can’t pass the John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act for the same reason. All 50 Senate Republicans will vote no.

More importantly, Schumer doesn’t have 50 Democratic votes to trigger the “nuclear option” to change Senate rules unilaterally and get rid of the filibuster. Manchin and Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.) remain opposed to any such move.

Manchin will back some technical changes to the filibuster, although he won’t back getting rid of the 60-vote threshold to cut off debate on a bill.

“I'm not for breaking the filibuster, but I am for making the place work better by changing the rules,” Manchin told reporters on Tuesday, one of several statements he made laying out his continued opposition.

For her part, Sinema met Tuesday night in the LBJ Room with a group of Senate Democrats from the Rules Committee. The group included Sens. Angus King (I-Maine), Tim Kaine (D-Va.), Jon Tester (D-Mont.), Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii), Ben Cardin (D-Md.), Maggie Hassan (D-N.H.), and Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.) to discuss potential rules changes.

As far as we can tell, however, Sinema’s position didn’t change following that session either. More meetings with Manchin and Sinema are likely today, Democratic insiders told us.

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Was just coming to post this Nevilledog Jan 2022 #1
This part is seemingly a buzz kill Tom Rinaldo Jan 2022 #8
It's definitely not foolproof. Nevilledog Jan 2022 #14
the plus here is getting to debate dsc Jan 2022 #27
Yep. Because....Manchin and Sinema might not go for it. PatrickforB Jan 2022 #62
Gonna need a pretty big stick to get SineManchin support for voting rights. lagomorph777 Jan 2022 #75
Yeah, they both like money far, far more than voters. PatrickforB Jan 2022 #77
Biden is aging (as we all are) and anything the Republicans do is messing with his legacy and woodsprite Jan 2022 #79
You mean they could've done this the whole time? OhZone Jan 2022 #2
They can debate the bill using this process, but still requires 60 votes to close debate and Calista241 Jan 2022 #3
I think the idea is to use a bill that has already passed the senate unblock Jan 2022 #12
That's not correct mcar Jan 2022 #24
Ah, I see. Jfc very disappointing given the headline. unblock Jan 2022 #43
I feel the same mcar Jan 2022 #44
+1 uponit7771 Jan 2022 #67
Nope. Doesn't. Read original OP. paleotn Jan 2022 #42
Nope, still need 60 votes to move the bill to the floor for a vote. Calista241 Jan 2022 #55
Got it. Thanks! paleotn Jan 2022 #84
TIME TO STOP FUCKING AROUND HAS ARRIVED Beetwasher. Jan 2022 #4
If we do this, will we have 50+1 vote to win the actual vote? unblock Jan 2022 #5
No way to know. pnwmom Jan 2022 #9
That is the question, and based on Manchin's and Sinema's past actions, I see no reason for optimism JohnSJ Jan 2022 #10
So far, their objection seem to be about "changing" or "nuking" the filibuster unblock Jan 2022 #15
I thought Manchin's whole argument was getting bipartisan support on voting rights legislation JohnSJ Jan 2022 #16
That's been his argument for keeping the filibuster unblock Jan 2022 #19
This doesn't bypass the filibuster in terms of passing the bill FBaggins Jan 2022 #28
To pass any legislation into law you have to have a majority vote aye. cstanleytech Jan 2022 #37
Sinema went to the floor of the Senate to say no wryter2000 Jan 2022 #80
Yay gab13by13 Jan 2022 #6
That will set some conservatives' souls on fire! bucolic_frolic Jan 2022 #7
They need 60 votes to end debate on the bill. Calista241 Jan 2022 #56
Calvinball. Girard442 Jan 2022 #11
None of this will produce any results Mr.Bill Jan 2022 #13
Well, first--YAY! Bayard Jan 2022 #17
Basically yes madville Jan 2022 #18
Wow Bayard Jan 2022 #60
They still need 60 votes to end debate. Drunken Irishman Jan 2022 #72
It's a start SallyHemmings Jan 2022 #20
Can't they just call it the Joe Manchin Voting Rights Bill ? I'm sure John Lewis would understand... OnDoutside Jan 2022 #21
Now there's an idea! PortTack Jan 2022 #23
so like Dorothy we had the ability all along? What about doing this with BBB? joanbarnes Jan 2022 #22
BBB is spending, thus eligible for reconciliation per the Byrd Rule. Voting rights is not. paleotn Jan 2022 #46
BBB is already under reconciliation needing only 50 votes ... meaning it needs all Democrats karynnj Jan 2022 #53
i just don't see this going anywhere. Takket Jan 2022 #25
Good, glad he found a way Bettie Jan 2022 #26
Do it, rather than announcing it. Hoyt Jan 2022 #29
Yes, Magoo48 Jan 2022 #61
If manchin and sinema vote no, it will on record and good primary fodder for AZ Dems come '24 PortTack Jan 2022 #30
+1, they will still need 60 votes to STOP debate seeing the bypassed votes to open debate by the 3 uponit7771 Jan 2022 #68
this will not work, the text of your own OP explains why Celerity Jan 2022 #31
But this will put those senators on the record as prioritizing the filibuster over voting rights Fiendish Thingy Jan 2022 #49
Yes, and so ironic that you replied about that, as I just said the same thing in another thread, lol Celerity Jan 2022 #52
I have a question for all the naysayers in here saying this can't work. ShazzieB Jan 2022 #32
True. Schumer is not stupid h2ebits Jan 2022 #38
Bingo. I will not be dragged into their pity party. paleotn Jan 2022 #45
Yes, I'm with you on this... Chuck is not stupid and must have a plan in mind that liberalla Jan 2022 #47
The headline misrepresents what he said. NYC Liberal Jan 2022 #59
RIGHT !! This is a procedural vote to get people on record not a end around the filibuster uponit7771 Jan 2022 #66
Of course not, that doesn't mean he wont go through procedural votes to get people on record either uponit7771 Jan 2022 #65
People are misunderstanding this strategy. It does not bypass the filibuster. onenote Jan 2022 #33
Thanks for that clarification. n/t Ellipsis Jan 2022 #36
Yes, everything still hinges on those two. But they need to be put on the spot. nt pnwmom Jan 2022 #50
+1 uponit7771 Jan 2022 #64
Is this a back door to a talking filibuster Tatertot Jan 2022 #34
Manchin's version of the talking filibuster is a sham at the end of the day, as his version still Celerity Jan 2022 #35
I don't know how that would work Tatertot Jan 2022 #39
Wow. Excellent News. Was not aware of this procedure. msfiddlestix Jan 2022 #40
Yes, the fact that we still need 60 votes to END debate this just gets rid of the BEGIN debate part uponit7771 Jan 2022 #70
yeah.. after reading other responses after i posted, my optimism levels dropped to the basement msfiddlestix Jan 2022 #73
Well, this gets around one part of filibuster procedure I'm thinking they'll have SOME way of ... uponit7771 Jan 2022 #74
creative... myohmy2 Jan 2022 #41
Yes, right now its carving out exception to END debate Schumer's just getting rid of BEGINING debate uponit7771 Jan 2022 #71
Makes me want to stand up and shout!!! ffr Jan 2022 #48
This will be fun to watch LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2022 #51
You left out Cooper's 2nd tweet that shows the claim of that reply tweeter to be false Celerity Jan 2022 #54
Thank you . . ., markpkessinger Jan 2022 #81
And as predicted (and I fully documented as to why) I was right Celerity Jan 2022 #82
...K&R... spanone Jan 2022 #57
/// usaf-vet Jan 2022 #58
***THIS ISN'T HAPPENING*** "... Democrats to pass a carveout of the filibuster rules ..." uponit7771 Jan 2022 #63
Yep. nt Roisin Ni Fiachra Jan 2022 #69
It would be nice to pass this with bipartisan support Buckeyeblue Jan 2022 #76
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2022 #78
not perfect, but gets us better OneCrazyDiamond Jan 2022 #83
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