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In reply to the discussion: ***Schumer announces plan to bypass filibuster on voting rights legislation.*** [View all]Celerity
(52,527 posts)31. this will not work, the text of your own OP explains why
After senators speak, a motion will be made to end debate on the bill and move to final passage. Republican senators could filibuster the motion, but that would be the opportunity for Senate Democrats to pass a carveout of the filibuster rules for voting rights legislation.
Manchin and likely also Sinema will NOT vote for a carve out, so it will still be dead in the water. Tester and Kelly are also balking at a carve out as well atm.
I posted on this 10 hours ago.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216237951
Now onto tactics. Schumer can call up the Freedom to Vote Act (supported by all 50 Senate Democrats) or the Senate version of the John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act (supported by all Senate Democrats besides Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia) or both. Both bills have been blocked by unyielding GOP opposition. Schumer can call for their reconsideration at any time.
However, theres another, more complex plan under consideration to provide an alternative way for Senate consideration.
The House this week is supposed to take up an amendment to a bill dealing with NASAs leasing underutilized property to private entities. The House and Senate have ping-ponged this bill back and forth already.
Under this new plan which is still just under consideration, it hasnt been agreed to yet Speaker Nancy Pelosi and House Democrats would use this NASA bill as a shell, strip out the existing language and insert the Freedom to Vote Act instead. The House would then pass this revised bill and send it onto the Senate. Since its a message between the House and Senate, theres no filibuster on the motion to proceed to the legislation. That means the Senate could take it up quickly.
Senate Republicans will still filibuster the underlying bill and Schumer would have to file cloture in order to cut off debate and force a vote. That hasnt changed. So, in sum, a GOP filibuster still has to be overcome, but theres only one cloture vote, compared to two with a regular bill.
Yet the advantage of this proposed plan is that Schumer would be filing cloture on a voting rights bill thats already been adopted by the House, instead of the Senate-only version of the legislation. Thus when Republicans filibuster the measure, theyd be blocking a bill that just needs Senate approval in order to head to the presidents desk. Its a distinction with a difference.
Schumer is expected to unveil more on his next steps today, so lets return to the strategy discussion. As we said, Schumer doesnt have the votes to pass the Freedom to Vote Act any version of it due to a GOP opposition. And he cant pass the John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act for the same reason. All 50 Senate Republicans will vote no.
More importantly, Schumer doesnt have 50 Democratic votes to trigger the nuclear option to change Senate rules unilaterally and get rid of the filibuster. Manchin and Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.) remain opposed to any such move.
Manchin will back some technical changes to the filibuster, although he wont back getting rid of the 60-vote threshold to cut off debate on a bill.
I'm not for breaking the filibuster, but I am for making the place work better by changing the rules, Manchin told reporters on Tuesday, one of several statements he made laying out his continued opposition.
For her part, Sinema met Tuesday night in the LBJ Room with a group of Senate Democrats from the Rules Committee. The group included Sens. Angus King (I-Maine), Tim Kaine (D-Va.), Jon Tester (D-Mont.), Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii), Ben Cardin (D-Md.), Maggie Hassan (D-N.H.), and Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.) to discuss potential rules changes.
As far as we can tell, however, Sinemas position didnt change following that session either. More meetings with Manchin and Sinema are likely today, Democratic insiders told us.
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***Schumer announces plan to bypass filibuster on voting rights legislation.*** [View all]
pnwmom
Jan 2022
OP
Gonna need a pretty big stick to get SineManchin support for voting rights.
lagomorph777
Jan 2022
#75
Biden is aging (as we all are) and anything the Republicans do is messing with his legacy and
woodsprite
Jan 2022
#79
They can debate the bill using this process, but still requires 60 votes to close debate and
Calista241
Jan 2022
#3
That is the question, and based on Manchin's and Sinema's past actions, I see no reason for optimism
JohnSJ
Jan 2022
#10
I thought Manchin's whole argument was getting bipartisan support on voting rights legislation
JohnSJ
Jan 2022
#16
Can't they just call it the Joe Manchin Voting Rights Bill ? I'm sure John Lewis would understand...
OnDoutside
Jan 2022
#21
so like Dorothy we had the ability all along? What about doing this with BBB?
joanbarnes
Jan 2022
#22
BBB is spending, thus eligible for reconciliation per the Byrd Rule. Voting rights is not.
paleotn
Jan 2022
#46
BBB is already under reconciliation needing only 50 votes ... meaning it needs all Democrats
karynnj
Jan 2022
#53
If manchin and sinema vote no, it will on record and good primary fodder for AZ Dems come '24
PortTack
Jan 2022
#30
+1, they will still need 60 votes to STOP debate seeing the bypassed votes to open debate by the 3
uponit7771
Jan 2022
#68
But this will put those senators on the record as prioritizing the filibuster over voting rights
Fiendish Thingy
Jan 2022
#49
Yes, and so ironic that you replied about that, as I just said the same thing in another thread, lol
Celerity
Jan 2022
#52
Yes, I'm with you on this... Chuck is not stupid and must have a plan in mind that
liberalla
Jan 2022
#47
RIGHT !! This is a procedural vote to get people on record not a end around the filibuster
uponit7771
Jan 2022
#66
Of course not, that doesn't mean he wont go through procedural votes to get people on record either
uponit7771
Jan 2022
#65
Yes, everything still hinges on those two. But they need to be put on the spot. nt
pnwmom
Jan 2022
#50
Manchin's version of the talking filibuster is a sham at the end of the day, as his version still
Celerity
Jan 2022
#35
Yes, the fact that we still need 60 votes to END debate this just gets rid of the BEGIN debate part
uponit7771
Jan 2022
#70
yeah.. after reading other responses after i posted, my optimism levels dropped to the basement
msfiddlestix
Jan 2022
#73
Well, this gets around one part of filibuster procedure I'm thinking they'll have SOME way of ...
uponit7771
Jan 2022
#74
Yes, right now its carving out exception to END debate Schumer's just getting rid of BEGINING debate
uponit7771
Jan 2022
#71
You left out Cooper's 2nd tweet that shows the claim of that reply tweeter to be false
Celerity
Jan 2022
#54
***THIS ISN'T HAPPENING*** "... Democrats to pass a carveout of the filibuster rules ..."
uponit7771
Jan 2022
#63