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12. I think the idea is to use a bill that has already passed the senate

Wed Jan 12, 2022, 07:03 PM

Jan 2022

So the cloture vote already happened, it passed the senate, and it's in reconciliation between the houses to determine the final language.

Apparently if there's been enough back and forth between the houses, the vote on the final bill can't be filibustered.

Who knew.

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***Schumer announces plan to bypass filibuster on voting rights legislation.*** [View all] pnwmom Jan 2022 OP

Was just coming to post this Nevilledog Jan 2022 #1

This part is seemingly a buzz kill Tom Rinaldo Jan 2022 #8

It's definitely not foolproof. Nevilledog Jan 2022 #14

the plus here is getting to debate dsc Jan 2022 #27

Yep. Because....Manchin and Sinema might not go for it. PatrickforB Jan 2022 #62

Gonna need a pretty big stick to get SineManchin support for voting rights. lagomorph777 Jan 2022 #75

Yeah, they both like money far, far more than voters. PatrickforB Jan 2022 #77

Biden is aging (as we all are) and anything the Republicans do is messing with his legacy and woodsprite Jan 2022 #79

You mean they could've done this the whole time? OhZone Jan 2022 #2

They can debate the bill using this process, but still requires 60 votes to close debate and Calista241 Jan 2022 #3

I think the idea is to use a bill that has already passed the senate unblock Jan 2022 #12

That's not correct mcar Jan 2022 #24

Ah, I see. Jfc very disappointing given the headline. unblock Jan 2022 #43

I feel the same mcar Jan 2022 #44

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2022 #67

Nope. Doesn't. Read original OP. paleotn Jan 2022 #42

Nope, still need 60 votes to move the bill to the floor for a vote. Calista241 Jan 2022 #55

Got it. Thanks! paleotn Jan 2022 #84

TIME TO STOP FUCKING AROUND HAS ARRIVED Beetwasher. Jan 2022 #4

If we do this, will we have 50+1 vote to win the actual vote? unblock Jan 2022 #5

No way to know. pnwmom Jan 2022 #9

That is the question, and based on Manchin's and Sinema's past actions, I see no reason for optimism JohnSJ Jan 2022 #10

So far, their objection seem to be about "changing" or "nuking" the filibuster unblock Jan 2022 #15

I thought Manchin's whole argument was getting bipartisan support on voting rights legislation JohnSJ Jan 2022 #16

That's been his argument for keeping the filibuster unblock Jan 2022 #19

This doesn't bypass the filibuster in terms of passing the bill FBaggins Jan 2022 #28

To pass any legislation into law you have to have a majority vote aye. cstanleytech Jan 2022 #37

Sinema went to the floor of the Senate to say no wryter2000 Jan 2022 #80

Yay gab13by13 Jan 2022 #6

That will set some conservatives' souls on fire! bucolic_frolic Jan 2022 #7

They need 60 votes to end debate on the bill. Calista241 Jan 2022 #56

Calvinball. Girard442 Jan 2022 #11

None of this will produce any results Mr.Bill Jan 2022 #13

Well, first--YAY! Bayard Jan 2022 #17

Basically yes madville Jan 2022 #18

Wow Bayard Jan 2022 #60

They still need 60 votes to end debate. Drunken Irishman Jan 2022 #72

It's a start SallyHemmings Jan 2022 #20

Can't they just call it the Joe Manchin Voting Rights Bill ? I'm sure John Lewis would understand... OnDoutside Jan 2022 #21

Now there's an idea! PortTack Jan 2022 #23

so like Dorothy we had the ability all along? What about doing this with BBB? joanbarnes Jan 2022 #22

BBB is spending, thus eligible for reconciliation per the Byrd Rule. Voting rights is not. paleotn Jan 2022 #46

BBB is already under reconciliation needing only 50 votes ... meaning it needs all Democrats karynnj Jan 2022 #53

i just don't see this going anywhere. Takket Jan 2022 #25

Good, glad he found a way Bettie Jan 2022 #26

Do it, rather than announcing it. Hoyt Jan 2022 #29

Yes, Magoo48 Jan 2022 #61

If manchin and sinema vote no, it will on record and good primary fodder for AZ Dems come '24 PortTack Jan 2022 #30

+1, they will still need 60 votes to STOP debate seeing the bypassed votes to open debate by the 3 uponit7771 Jan 2022 #68

this will not work, the text of your own OP explains why Celerity Jan 2022 #31

But this will put those senators on the record as prioritizing the filibuster over voting rights Fiendish Thingy Jan 2022 #49

Yes, and so ironic that you replied about that, as I just said the same thing in another thread, lol Celerity Jan 2022 #52

I have a question for all the naysayers in here saying this can't work. ShazzieB Jan 2022 #32

True. Schumer is not stupid h2ebits Jan 2022 #38

Bingo. I will not be dragged into their pity party. paleotn Jan 2022 #45

Yes, I'm with you on this... Chuck is not stupid and must have a plan in mind that liberalla Jan 2022 #47

The headline misrepresents what he said. NYC Liberal Jan 2022 #59

RIGHT !! This is a procedural vote to get people on record not a end around the filibuster uponit7771 Jan 2022 #66

Of course not, that doesn't mean he wont go through procedural votes to get people on record either uponit7771 Jan 2022 #65

People are misunderstanding this strategy. It does not bypass the filibuster. onenote Jan 2022 #33

Thanks for that clarification. n/t Ellipsis Jan 2022 #36

Yes, everything still hinges on those two. But they need to be put on the spot. nt pnwmom Jan 2022 #50

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2022 #64

Is this a back door to a talking filibuster Tatertot Jan 2022 #34

Manchin's version of the talking filibuster is a sham at the end of the day, as his version still Celerity Jan 2022 #35

I don't know how that would work Tatertot Jan 2022 #39

Wow. Excellent News. Was not aware of this procedure. msfiddlestix Jan 2022 #40

Yes, the fact that we still need 60 votes to END debate this just gets rid of the BEGIN debate part uponit7771 Jan 2022 #70

yeah.. after reading other responses after i posted, my optimism levels dropped to the basement msfiddlestix Jan 2022 #73

Well, this gets around one part of filibuster procedure I'm thinking they'll have SOME way of ... uponit7771 Jan 2022 #74

creative... myohmy2 Jan 2022 #41

Yes, right now its carving out exception to END debate Schumer's just getting rid of BEGINING debate uponit7771 Jan 2022 #71

Makes me want to stand up and shout!!! ffr Jan 2022 #48

This will be fun to watch LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2022 #51

You left out Cooper's 2nd tweet that shows the claim of that reply tweeter to be false Celerity Jan 2022 #54

Thank you . . ., markpkessinger Jan 2022 #81

And as predicted (and I fully documented as to why) I was right Celerity Jan 2022 #82

...K&R... spanone Jan 2022 #57

/// usaf-vet Jan 2022 #58

***THIS ISN'T HAPPENING*** "... Democrats to pass a carveout of the filibuster rules ..." uponit7771 Jan 2022 #63

Yep. nt Roisin Ni Fiachra Jan 2022 #69

It would be nice to pass this with bipartisan support Buckeyeblue Jan 2022 #76

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2022 #78

not perfect, but gets us better OneCrazyDiamond Jan 2022 #83