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PTWB

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74. I'm sorry for your loss.

Mon Jan 3, 2022, 07:59 PM

Jan 2022

Most mass shootings, and most shootings in general, are committed with handguns.

An AR ban isn’t going to get passed. It’s going to act as a wedge issue to make sure nothing gets passed. And if it did get passed in a hypothetical alternate reality, it would have a negligible effect on the very real problem of gun violence.

The fact of the matter is that violence is a socioeconomic issue. We could eliminate far more gun violence by enacting universal basic income, a guaranteed living wage, universal healthcare (including mental healthcare), and by fixing the systemic oppression of minorities in our criminal justice system.

I have a post that outlines steps we can take to pass meaningful gun control right now in our current political climate.

Here’s a link:

Compromises to Achieve Universal Background Checks, Safe Storage Laws & Concealed Carry Minimum Standards

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How insane is it that you could own a deadly machine like an AR-15 and not need to register it? [View all] ColinC Jan 2022 OP

In places like Misery and Tex-ass, toxic is the only kind of masculinity. Aristus Jan 2022 #1

At least in Texas I think a majority support registration of all weapons ColinC Jan 2022 #2

Until someone tries running on that and the propaganda machines kick in gear BeyondGeography Jan 2022 #3

Very few states require registration of certain types of long gun Kaleva Jan 2022 #4

More states PROHIBIT registries than requires them!!? ColinC Jan 2022 #5

Yep DetroitLegalBeagle Jan 2022 #6

This is why the estimates for the number of guns in the US vary by 100 million or more Amishman Jan 2022 #10

Adam Lanza's AR-15 was registered hack89 Jan 2022 #7

Should people who use their weapons in a crime be held accountable? ColinC Jan 2022 #14

Vehicles are registered for tax purposes to fund roads etc MichMan Jan 2022 #19

They are regularly used for that purpose, actually ColinC Jan 2022 #23

People can see a license plate on a get away car if the criminal hasn't removed it MichMan Jan 2022 #30

Not an analogy. Just common sense. ColinC Jan 2022 #32

Not common sense either. Straw Man Jan 2022 #150

Do you know what a lead is? ColinC Jan 2022 #151

Yes, and I told you where gun registration info "leads" in investigating crimes. Straw Man Jan 2022 #157

Person who gun was stolen from ColinC Jan 2022 #158

Umm ... Straw Man Jan 2022 #159

Your handle checks out. ColinC Jan 2022 #160

Attacking my username? That smacks of desperation. Straw Man Jan 2022 #163

This message was self-deleted by its author ColinC Jan 2022 #164

So your assumption is... ColinC Jan 2022 #166

Police puffery and unsubstantiated claims ... Straw Man Jan 2022 #177

So should I trust a random anonymous poster about how police investigations work? ColinC Jan 2022 #178

Please explain to me how police investigations solve crimes though gun registration. Straw Man Jan 2022 #179

What part do you not understand? ColinC Jan 2022 #180

The part where you claim this is about solving crimes. Straw Man Jan 2022 #181

Perhaps you missed the last sentence? ColinC Jan 2022 #182

Nope, didn't miss that. Straw Man Jan 2022 #184

It comes from a credible source ColinC Jan 2022 #185

Credible source? Straw Man Jan 2022 #186

Another part of the article cites this. Did you also fail to read it? ColinC Jan 2022 #187

I read the article you posted. I assumed the link was for attribution. Straw Man Jan 2022 #191

Actually the way it works is that a portion of the article is shared ColinC Jan 2022 #193

Wrong again. Straw Man Jan 2022 #221

Here's another ColinC Jan 2022 #189

Thirty-six pages of PR from the Chicago Mayor's Office? Straw Man Jan 2022 #192

Wait. So the first segment summarizing how it is done wasn't good enough. ColinC Jan 2022 #194

The first segment didn't "summarize" how it was done. Straw Man Jan 2022 #196

That's easy. PTWB Jan 2022 #168

Super glad that exists. ColinC Jan 2022 #169

What clues are you going to get if you don't have the weapon in hand? BGBD Jan 2022 #172

Law enforcement seems to disagree. ColinC Jan 2022 #173

Are we just posting things that have nothing to do with the argument? BGBD Jan 2022 #174

Your argument portends to most crimes not having the weapon ColinC Jan 2022 #175

People that do use a gun in a crime are held accountable MichMan Jan 2022 #29

Actually most people who commit a crime with a gun likely get away with it ColinC Jan 2022 #33

Then you should be registering handguns, not rifles. hack89 Jan 2022 #56

Are you thinking that someone who legally bought a gun... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2022 #98

Canada tried and gave up hack89 Jan 2022 #8

There's no need to register an AR-15 in 44 out of 50 states. Dial H For Hero Jan 2022 #9

Better check the compliance rate in NY and CT first hack89 Jan 2022 #11

It is insane to own an AR-15. BeckyDem Jan 2022 #12

The AR-15 is actually one of the most popular hunting rifles in America. Dial H For Hero Jan 2022 #15

Yes, like I said, sick America. BeckyDem Jan 2022 #16

What's wrong with hunting? PTWB Jan 2022 #18

Sorry you have a typo. ColinC Jan 2022 #20

Okay, let's go with your version. PTWB Jan 2022 #26

For one it encourages hunters to waste ammo through the high capacity mags ColinC Jan 2022 #28

Many states limit the maximum magazine capacity when hunting PTWB Jan 2022 #46

High-capacity magazines are illegal in MI, dunno about other areas. JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2022 #48

that the AR-15 equates to high capacity is a pretty common misconception cadoman Jan 2022 #50

The "easily modifiable" part is kinda my point. ColinC Jan 2022 #52

Actually, you missed the point. Straw Man Jan 2022 #188

Definitely didn't miss the point. ColinC Jan 2022 #190

Definitely did. Straw Man Jan 2022 #197

"If it can be modified to higher caliber, that bothers me." EX500rider Jan 2022 #211

Are you bothered by the T/C Contender handgun? Dial H For Hero Jan 2022 #215

You can't hunt legally with high capacity magazines Zeitghost Jan 2022 #70

Hunters Have been using semi automatic rifles and shotguns for well over a century. Dial H For Hero Jan 2022 #21

This message was self-deleted by its author ColinC Jan 2022 #31

Yeah the civilian ones don't have 3 round burst EX500rider Jan 2022 #36

Easily modifiable. ColinC Jan 2022 #39

What makes you think it is easily modified EX500rider Jan 2022 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author ColinC Jan 2022 #43

... ColinC Jan 2022 #49

Please tell me you're not taking that video seriously. It's an obvious joke. Dial H For Hero Jan 2022 #54

Yeah it was funny. ColinC Jan 2022 #58

I wouldn't take anything the OP says about this subject seriously, MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2022 #59

Oh, I don't, believe me. Dial H For Hero Jan 2022 #64

And I'm just sitting down for dinner before I crawl into my sleeper MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2022 #67

Right. I'm not a gun nut. ColinC Jan 2022 #69

I'm not either, MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2022 #72

It's highly illegal to convert without registration. PTWB Jan 2022 #55

Actually I don't think that a criminal is going to convert their weapon to fully auto ColinC Jan 2022 #57

That's ridiculous. PTWB Jan 2022 #60

Why do you think semi automatic weapons are necessary? ColinC Jan 2022 #62

Semi automatic weapons are used in a huge number of crimes. PTWB Jan 2022 #63

I'm talking about allowing AR15s to be sold en masse. ColinC Jan 2022 #66

They're fantastic rifles. PTWB Jan 2022 #68

For me, I lost a friend in a mass shooting ColinC Jan 2022 #71

I'm sorry for your loss. PTWB Jan 2022 #74

Thank you. And you are probably right. ColinC Jan 2022 #78

Firearms are inherently legal in our country. PTWB Jan 2022 #80

... ColinC Jan 2022 #86

Perhaps. PTWB Jan 2022 #89

Well I include societal collapse as a possible factor within 20 years.. ColinC Jan 2022 #91

Societal collapse is much more likely than getting an AR ban passed. PTWB Jan 2022 #92

I agree wholeheartedly with the first statement. ColinC Jan 2022 #93

I agree wholeheartedly with the first statement. ColinC Jan 2022 #94

These 11 mass shootings involved an AR-15-style weapon. BeckyDem Jan 2022 #107

Yes. PTWB Jan 2022 #111

Your conlusions suggest they're such a "small percent" of the problem, why take them off the market. BeckyDem Jan 2022 #113

You're close to my point but not exactly there. PTWB Jan 2022 #116

That is not demonizing. BeckyDem Jan 2022 #119

They're not a small percentage of murders? PTWB Jan 2022 #120

I think we're done here. BeckyDem Jan 2022 #121

We're done if you want to be done. PTWB Jan 2022 #123

I waded through the statistics from the FBI krispos42 Jan 2022 #233

My deepest condolences to the loss of your friend, MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2022 #75

Thanks ColinC Jan 2022 #77

Let's game this out......... MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2022 #79

I think the fact that "how would you prevent a civil war if guns were banned" ColinC Jan 2022 #82

I commend you for your beliefs, even if I disagree with them. MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2022 #84

Thanks so much for the kind words. ColinC Jan 2022 #90

On civil war ColinC Jan 2022 #83

I couldn't agree with you more. MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2022 #87

You mean banned like in Mexico? EX500rider Jan 2022 #85

No. I mean banned like in Japan. Or the uk. Mexico is definitely an exception. ColinC Jan 2022 #88

Sure you can cherry pick European states with low rates. EX500rider Jan 2022 #99

Actually choosing mexico is cherry picking ColinC Jan 2022 #104

Dead is dead...if you are actually worried about people being murdered and not how. EX500rider Jan 2022 #106

Again. Discussing shooting deaths. ColinC Jan 2022 #109

OK EX500rider Jan 2022 #125

Cool let's outlaw all guns then. ColinC Jan 2022 #130

Sure good luck with that EX500rider Jan 2022 #131

Thanks I'll need it. ColinC Jan 2022 #132

"disregards the numbers of deaths caused by gun accidents" EX500rider Jan 2022 #140

Are you seriously comparing a machine designed to kill people with "accidentally falling"? ColinC Jan 2022 #142

You brought up accidental deaths by firearms like it was a significant number which is not... EX500rider Jan 2022 #145

You missed the point. The issue isn't about the number of deaths ColinC Jan 2022 #195

Getting rid of any guns I might own won't help save anyone's lives EX500rider Jan 2022 #204

If we are going to compare guns to cars ColinC Jan 2022 #222

Get back to me when cars are in the Bill of Rights EX500rider Jan 2022 #224

And you didn't answer my question EX500rider Jan 2022 #226

Hell, I'm even uncomfortable ForgedCrank Jan 2022 #135

Requires machine milling isn't necessarily easy EX500rider Jan 2022 #73

I think the N. Hollywood bank robbery was the last time. nt MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2022 #76

Certainly the last one i heard of, 1997 nt EX500rider Jan 2022 #81

Might be a newer instance but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2022 #133

I think there was one in Miami involving the FBI but I forgot when EX500rider Jan 2022 #134

An AR-15 *is* a semiautomatic rifle. When used to hunt, the user must obey all relevant game Dial H For Hero Jan 2022 #44

The AR-15 when being used for hunting ColinC Jan 2022 #45

The Winchester Model 1905 I mentioned had a 10 round magazine manufactured for it. Dial H For Hero Jan 2022 #51

Was your Winchester originally built for the military? ColinC Jan 2022 #53

Nope. My 1903 Springfield bolt action rifle was, though. So what? Dial H For Hero Jan 2022 #61

"Is not legally allowed to use all of the things that an AR-15 is already built to include." EX500rider Jan 2022 #212

None of that is significant or relevant. ForgedCrank Jan 2022 #136

Okay how bout this: ColinC Jan 2022 #139

The law of unintended consequences EX500rider Jan 2022 #141

Curious. There are dozens of countries where nearly 0 people own firearms. Why did you pick Mexico? ColinC Jan 2022 #143

Because it clearly shows how criminals and drug cartels and gangs behave with a disarmed populace EX500rider Jan 2022 #147

Doesn't sound like banning guns was the issue there, then :) ColinC Jan 2022 #149

I'll ask again: EX500rider Jan 2022 #152

The two are completely different things. ColinC Jan 2022 #153

Yes good of you to admit it EX500rider Jan 2022 #205

Of course gun homicides do contribute to homicide rates ColinC Jan 2022 #207

This message was self-deleted by its author ColinC Jan 2022 #209

The US is a lot more like Mexico EX500rider Jan 2022 #206

Mexico is arguably run by drug cartels ColinC Jan 2022 #210

A "much older nation"? Straw Man Jan 2022 #225

I'd like for you to think ForgedCrank Jan 2022 #144

I have two friends killed by guns unnecessarily. ColinC Jan 2022 #148

Although I don't think ForgedCrank Jan 2022 #154

I think I have a far different idea of what is realistic and achievable. ColinC Jan 2022 #170

Was waiting for this! Lol! Nt USALiberal Jan 2022 #95

I have hunters in my family iemanja Jan 2022 #183

...And the old myth "The AR-15 will destroy the meat of any animal it hits" rears it's head yet again. Dial H For Hero Jan 2022 #198

Try to follow the plot iemanja Jan 2022 #199

An AR-15 in 6.8 SPC using a 5 round magazine is a deer rifle. Dial H For Hero Jan 2022 #201

"Pretending the AR-15 is a hunting weapon doesn't hold water." Stats say otherwise. EX500rider Jan 2022 #213

Does anyone actually need an AR-15 to hunt? iemanja Jan 2022 #214

How exactly does using an AR-15 "shoot game to oblivion"? I would really like to know. Dial H For Hero Jan 2022 #216

It's all a joke to you iemanja Jan 2022 #218

Au contraire, I find the comparison of a rifle to a nuclear weapon laughable. Dial H For Hero Jan 2022 #219

I remember you iemanja Jan 2022 #223

I haven't the faintest idea who you are or what you're speaking of. Dial H For Hero Jan 2022 #227

Thousands certainly aren't dead every year from AR-15's or indeed all rifles. EX500rider Jan 2022 #234

1st you have poor grasp of what is a WMD... EX500rider Jan 2022 #217

I don't think there are any hunters in your family Kaleva Jan 2022 #220

A post with that much info on cartridges might upset someone. Doesn't it need a Dial H For Hero Jan 2022 #228

I'm not expecting a reply Kaleva Jan 2022 #235

Likely so. Dial H For Hero Jan 2022 #236

THANK YOU Skittles Jan 2022 #137

+1. BeckyDem Jan 2022 #200

Given that the AR-15 has been around for almost 60 years, Dial H For Hero Jan 2022 #202

Oh yes, Murika is normal. BeckyDem Jan 2022 #203

It really isn't at all krispos42 Jan 2022 #232

I think there should be a blood alcohol limit to carrying firearms Walleye Jan 2022 #13

Plus registration, plus insurance, plus license requirements and training. ColinC Jan 2022 #17

Insurance for what? EX500rider Jan 2022 #34

There's never been an accident with a gun where somebody is injured? ColinC Jan 2022 #35

What I said was insurance won't cover crimes committed with firearms EX500rider Jan 2022 #38

You said "insurance for what?" ColinC Jan 2022 #41

"The rate of accidents at the hands of guns could absolutely warrant their being insured" EX500rider Jan 2022 #96

And wherever there is liability in even the cases you provided ColinC Jan 2022 #105

How so? EX500rider Jan 2022 #108

And if somebody hurts themselves on your property and you have no insurance ColinC Jan 2022 #110

Yes but insurance is not required, people can already get firearm insurance if they want. EX500rider Jan 2022 #115

Unlike with your house, I think firearm insurance should be required ColinC Jan 2022 #126

Given the very low rate of firearms accidents ... Straw Man Jan 2022 #155

Good. They can make a comeback by supporting a law to require firearm insurance! ColinC Jan 2022 #156

Being a vendor of gun insurance ... Straw Man Jan 2022 #161

Again. Name checks out. ColinC Jan 2022 #162

I see you that failed Analogy 101. Straw Man Jan 2022 #165

Yes I said that. They are both mentioned next to each other in the constitution. ColinC Jan 2022 #167

The 18th Amendment lasted 15 years. Straw Man Jan 2022 #176

Not as insane as owning it in the first place!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2022 #22

I own one. Does that make me insane? Dial H For Hero Jan 2022 #25

well, it certainly doesn't prove you're sane. maxsolomon Jan 2022 #42

I agree. Just as not owning one doesn't prove you're sane. Dial H For Hero Jan 2022 #47

I guess we just go along as before. maxsolomon Jan 2022 #65

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2022 #101

How would you strap "methicillin-susceptible Staphylococcus aureus" to your chest? nt EX500rider Jan 2022 #114

Military-Style Semi-Automatic. maxsolomon Jan 2022 #237

The fact no one can say "hell no" is bad enough for you NOT to own a PGR. Calis PGR laws should uponit7771 Jan 2022 #100

"PGR"? Dial H For Hero Jan 2022 #129

Gunsplainers don't seem to mind. Kingofalldems Jan 2022 #24

Democratic Party doesn't mind either which is why there's no serious push to register such guns Kaleva Jan 2022 #112

Missouri doesn't have any gun registration. LiberatedUSA Jan 2022 #27

Considering we are in a fight for democracy right now. LiberatedUSA Jan 2022 #37

All PGR's owners should be licensed and registered IMHO. PGRs are designed for mass kill not defense uponit7771 Jan 2022 #97

What's a PGR? n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2022 #102

Here : ) EX500rider Jan 2022 #124

Here :) discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2022 #127

Hmm... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2022 #128

I have to assume Precision Guided Rifle SYFROYH Jan 2022 #138

What is a PGR? LiberatedUSA Jan 2022 #118

What would the state do with the registration info? BusterMove Jan 2022 #103

Yeah, I don't know, either. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2022 #117

K&R UTUSN Jan 2022 #122

I always like these types of posts..... Fla_Democrat Jan 2022 #146

Is there a difference between the concepts of registered and licensed? Sapient Donkey Jan 2022 #171

If a weapon is legal, I am against the government knowing I own it. marie999 Jan 2022 #208

I fail to see how registering one will stop crime krispos42 Jan 2022 #229

Might find the perp. yagotme Jan 2022 #230

Very few states require registration fescuerescue Jan 2022 #231