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Walleye

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10. It doesn't work with people who are negotiating in bad faith

Sun Dec 19, 2021, 06:17 PM

Dec 2021

Do you think Manchin could’ve been leveraged into voting for this? He’s been lying the whole time, you don’t expect this from a member of your own

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Manchin 'refused' a call from W.H. before killing BBB [View all] Polybius Dec 2021 OP

Just this MFM008 Dec 2021 #1

Joe. Fucking. Manchin. Blue Owl Dec 2021 #2

Maybe they will listen to AOC next time and act accordingly to save the agenda. UCmeNdc Dec 2021 #3

You really think listening to AOC would have saved the agenda? Walleye Dec 2021 #5

It wasn't just AOC saying it. PTWB Dec 2021 #9

It doesn't work with people who are negotiating in bad faith Walleye Dec 2021 #10

Yes, I think he could easily have been leveraged into voting for this. PTWB Dec 2021 #11

Well I won't argue with you, but this is all speculation Walleye Dec 2021 #12

FFS, did we learn nothing from Lieberman? SMC22307 Dec 2021 #32

Yes. They pull this shit and then the Democratic Party takes the blame Walleye Dec 2021 #44

You do if you accept quakerboy Dec 2021 #55

If he's not going to keep his word it doesn't matter what party he's in Walleye Dec 2021 #56

It sorta does quakerboy Dec 2021 #59

I get that.I'm just afraid that campaigns and elections don't work the way they used to Walleye Dec 2021 #60

Well, if the I told ya so gets them to listen the next time TDale313 Dec 2021 #17

☝️ THIS RIGHT HERE ☝️ AOC is a leader we need right now!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2021 #23

This message was self-deleted by its author InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2021 #24

Zero proof their theory would have played out... lame54 Dec 2021 #61

I don't know if there is anything the Dem leadership can do to make Manchin's life Nay Dec 2021 #4

The Pittsburgh Post Gazette moniss Dec 2021 #53

Thanks for that post and the information therein. Stuart G Dec 2021 #81

Well, it was damned nice of Manchin.... SergeStorms Dec 2021 #6

He shanked our President MustLoveBeagles Dec 2021 #30

Me too. Manchin is not trustworthy. Ilsa Dec 2021 #52

He's a Democrat in a Ruby red state MustLoveBeagles Dec 2021 #67

Joe Manchin is "Evil" Stuart G Dec 2021 #7

I'd like to hear from anyone who thinks he still acts in good faith. LonePirate Dec 2021 #8

I proclaim him to be a lying sack of shit at this point Walleye Dec 2021 #13

That seems like a fair assessment to me. ShazzieB Dec 2021 #39

They're still here Polybius Dec 2021 #16

They are here even today defending him now. onecaliberal Dec 2021 #25

He acts in good faith Mr.Bill Dec 2021 #35

+1, ... and I don't even fully know what Manchin did recently yet. I just know he's not been honest uponit7771 Dec 2021 #64

Charlamagne was right, Manchin thinks he's the President. radius777 Dec 2021 #14

I'm getting more curious about how, specifically, Biden has been working with Machin to get this WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2021 #15

This. BlackSkimmer Dec 2021 #36

I do find it interesting that we passed on other Dems Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2021 #75

Exactly my thoughts. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2021 #78

And then he collected more of his bribery checks from the GOP and those that are RKP5637 Dec 2021 #18

And THIS... LowerManhattanite Dec 2021 #19

I'm not fond of this decision but joe has been a 98% solid democrat and I remember that. Groundhawg Dec 2021 #20

Yeah real solid voting to confim Kavanaugh to the SC. Autumn Dec 2021 #29

98%? Where are you pulling that number from? (n/t) SMC22307 Dec 2021 #34

It may be true, but would likely include votes to name a post office. Lucky Luciano Dec 2021 #40

Oops, looks like it's higher than that Groundhawg Dec 2021 #73

Your kind remembrance Triloon Dec 2021 #41

I think he will continue to support us after this Groundhawg Dec 2021 #74

Manchin I_UndergroundPanther Dec 2021 #21

Who the fuck does this guy think he is? AngryOldDem Dec 2021 #22

I thought Biden and Manchin were communicating all this time leftstreet Dec 2021 #26

How about Rebl2 Dec 2021 #49

Jen/the WH say they were, and that JB believed the dialogue was going to continue in Jan. JudyM Dec 2021 #72

Damn AOC and the Progressives!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Diablo del sol Dec 2021 #27

+1 MustLoveBeagles Dec 2021 #28

You got that right. DU's vocal minority would be apoplectic. (n/t) SMC22307 Dec 2021 #37

The squad are not senators... lame54 Dec 2021 #63

Outstanding point Diablo del sol Dec 2021 #66

So they voted on what they stood for when they knew it would still pass? Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2021 #76

right ?! uponit7771 Dec 2021 #65

Are DUers allowed to trash Joe "He's the best we can do in WV!" Manchin now? SMC22307 Dec 2021 #31

Feel free to trash that piece of shit. Lucky Luciano Dec 2021 #42

Well, you're still standing... SMC22307 Dec 2021 #80

Hah...Biden himself probably called him a scumbag piece of shit! Lucky Luciano Dec 2021 #82

LOL, exactly. (n/t) SMC22307 Dec 2021 #83

I hadn't read the WH statement until seeing it mentioned in your post fishwax Dec 2021 #71

Yeah, they didn't hold back... and Maserati Manchin deserved every word. (n/t) SMC22307 Dec 2021 #79

President Biden thought he could reason with this guy. BlackSkimmer Dec 2021 #33

Maybe, like omicron, they didn't see Manchin's vote coming leftstreet Dec 2021 #38

Yes indeed. BlackSkimmer Dec 2021 #45

LOL SMC22307 Dec 2021 #46

That just makes Biden's claim of being able to work with everyone Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2021 #77

Biden keeps his word and he expects others to do so. Especially Democratic senators Walleye Dec 2021 #47

Coward.. Joe won't let this pass... Joinfortmill Dec 2021 #43

What's he gonna do? BlackSkimmer Dec 2021 #48

ManChin has signaled BlueIdaho Dec 2021 #50

If pukes take control. that's it, baby. Good bye republic. Hello christian monarchy. triron Dec 2021 #54

Makes you want to say, Hmmmmm....... Somebody got something on him???? ashredux Dec 2021 #51

Or his daughter - she's as dishonest as he is dflprincess Dec 2021 #62

Now that's what I call a 100% loyal Democrat who supports Biden's agenda Fiendish Thingy Dec 2021 #57

It appears that Kamala Harris spoke too soon in that interview on Friday. bullwinkle428 Dec 2021 #58

He's going to bolt ibegurpard Dec 2021 #68

Manchin.... jcmaine72 Dec 2021 #69

President Biden should give a prime time address Blaukraut Dec 2021 #70