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Celerity

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25. but he said no to a vote atm on the bi-partisan bill, not until there is an agreement
Fri Oct 1, 2021, 06:08 AM
Oct 2021

Why are you so anxious to put a HUGE part of Biden's agenda at greater risk?

There is no danger to the bi-partisan bill atm.

Massive leverage will be lost if the bi-partisan bill is passed with no agreement to also pass the reconciliation bill.

The bi-partisan bill has FAR less immediate impact than the reconciliation bill does. Much of the bi-partisan bill doesn't kick in until after the midterms.

Manchin and Sinema already helped strip out almost 80% of Biden's agenda (the new spend + his environmental tax credits) from the bi-partisan bill. They reduced it from $2.6 trillion all the way down to $550 billion. The other $650 billion in the bi-partisan bill is simply renewal of long standing programmes (mostly transportation related) already in place under Trump.

The Infrastructure Plan: What’s In and What’s Out (it's brutal)

Biden's original plan:



What was left after they took a 2 trillion USD hatchet to it




They already chopped almost EIGHTY percent of actual new spending out of the hard infrastructure bill and now Manchin wants to chop another almost 60 to 70% out of the even bigger bill, one that needs ZERO Rethugs votes to pass, plus as of yesterday is till talking about pushing it to 2022.


The total new spending on Biden's original 2 bill proposals (hard and human) was $6.1 trillion.

IF Manchin and Sinema stick to their guns and chop out $2 trillion to $2.5 trillion of of the reconciliation bill, then you are looking at a total new spend for both bills of only $1.55 trillion to $2.05 trillion instead of $6.1 trillion.

That is a truly massive 2/3rds to 3/4ers total reduction in new spending when both bills are tallied up, and the vast majority will be from the parts the vast majority of ALL Dems all desperately want, especially things to address climate change and to help working class Americans. Pete DeFazio, the Chair of the House Transportation Committee has been very, very unhappy for ages about what the bi-partisan Senators did.

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For me it isn't we so much as all of us ... hold out for KPN Oct 2021 #1
Their determination NJCher Oct 2021 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author left-of-center2012 Oct 2021 #3
This has been covered on DU multiple times TiberiusB Oct 2021 #6
+1 Celerity Oct 2021 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author left-of-center2012 Oct 2021 #14
that is what the poster means, 'support the Biden plan', which is what the vast majority of all Celerity Oct 2021 #19
They could end up with nothing. everyonematters Oct 2021 #4
If we end up with nothing wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #10
So a bridge collapses somewhere and people get killed. everyonematters Oct 2021 #18
that is all on the tiny splinter group of obstructionist conservadems, not on the vast majority Celerity Oct 2021 #20
Tell that to the swing voters who see a party that can't get out of it's own way. everyonematters Oct 2021 #22
Biden himself disagrees with you Celerity Oct 2021 #23
He is already letting Pelosi split the bills for seperate votes. everyonematters Oct 2021 #24
but he said no to a vote atm on the bi-partisan bill, not until there is an agreement Celerity Oct 2021 #25
I think we still have a chance to win the midterms and expand the majority. everyonematters Oct 2021 #26
IF we don't pass the majority of the reconciliation bill, we're likely to be torn apart badly in the Celerity Oct 2021 #29
The reality is - everyonematters Oct 2021 #41
You must not be watching the news $2.2 trillion is the compromise number that just came out of the Celerity Oct 2021 #42
Looks like both sides are negotiating and compromising. everyonematters Oct 2021 #43
no one on any side ever said all or nothing, there are a few with agendas who disingenuously Celerity Oct 2021 #44
The "Swing Voter" supports the BBB bill wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #35
The OP apparently is about the House vote, or lack of so far. So who are the "obstructionists".... George II Oct 2021 #36
We're talking about the reconciliation bill, champ wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #38
I really don't care about the specifics nvme Oct 2021 #5
Nope, if they cave in that reconciliation bill is likely to be horribly shredded up just Celerity Oct 2021 #7
Yep, it's basically just a handful of arsonists against the entire Democratic caucus plus Biden wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #11
The real irony is that the bipartisan bill has only $550 billion new spending on programmes and Celerity Oct 2021 #13
What could possibly go wrong with supporting a bill backed by Mitch McConnell? TiberiusB Oct 2021 #9
Do we only pass bills that will help in the next election more than a year away? That's not.... George II Oct 2021 #31
I am a moderate supporting the progressive caucus on this one. BlueLucy Oct 2021 #12
In my opinion ... left-of-center2012 Oct 2021 #16
Exactly. BlueLucy Oct 2021 #17
I am a left leaning Democrat supporting the leadership of the Democratic Party in both Houses..... George II Oct 2021 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author left-of-center2012 Oct 2021 #15
Yes, pass his $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill (or as close to that as we can get) Celerity Oct 2021 #21
"Conservadems"? George II Oct 2021 #30
100% obstruction, zero bipartisan Republicans. But "conservadems." betsuni Oct 2021 #32
Usually, progressives in congress have to go along to get along.. Patton French Oct 2021 #27
How is nothing better than something? George II Oct 2021 #28
This is what I'd like to know. betsuni Oct 2021 #33
+1 treestar Oct 2021 #37
Ideological purity. Must. Have. Ideological. Purity. BannonsLiver Oct 2021 #40
LOL BannonsLiver Oct 2021 #39
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