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Celerity

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118. it is poor, over-simplistic economics
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 01:44 PM
Sep 2021
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/laffercurve.asp



Is the Laffer Curve Too Simple a Theory?

There are some fundamental problems with the Laffer Curve—notably that it is far too simplistic in its assumptions. First, that the optimal tax revenue-maximizing tax rate T* is unique and static, or at least stable. Second that the shape of the Laffer Curve, at least in the vicinity of the current tax rate and T* is known or even knowable to policymakers. Lastly, that maximizing or even increasing tax revenue is a desirable policy goal. In the first case, the existence and position of T* depend entirely on the shape of the Laffer Curve. The underlying concept of the Laffer Curve only requires that tax revenue be zero at 0% and at 100%, and positive in between. It says nothing about the specific shape of the curve at points in between 0% and 100% or the position of T*.

The shape of the actual Laffer Curve might be dramatically different from the simple, single peaked curve commonly depicted. If the curve has multiple peaks, flat spots, or discontinuities, then multiple T*’s might exist. If the curve is skewed deeply to the left or right, T* might occur at extreme tax rates like 1% tax rate or a 99% tax rate, which might put tax revenue-maximizing policy into serious conflict with social equity or other policy goals. Furthermore, just as the basic concept does not necessarily imply a simply shaped curve, it does not imply that a Laffer Curve of any shape would be static. The Laffer Curve might easily shift and change shape over time, which would mean that to maximize revenue, or just avoid falling revenue, policymakers would have to constantly adjust tax rates.

This leads to the second criticism, that policymakers would be in practice unable to observe the shape of the Laffer Curve, the location of T*, whether multiple T*’s exist, or whether and how the Laffer Curve might shift over time. The only thing policymakers can reliably observe is the current tax rate and associated revenue receipts (and past combinations of rates and revenue). Economists can guess what the shape might be, but only trial and error could actually reveal the true shape of the curve, and only at those tax rates that are actually implemented. Raising or lowering tax rates might move the rate toward T*, or it might not. Moreover, if the Laffer Curve has any shape other than the assumed simple, single peaked parabola, then tax revenue at points between the current tax rate and T* could have any range of values higher or lower than revenue at the current rate and the same or lower than T*. An increase in tax revenue after a rate change would not necessarily signal that the new rate is closer to T* (nor a decrease in revenue signal that it is further away). Even worse, because tax policy changes are made and applied over time, the shape of the Laffer Curve could shift; policymakers could never know if an increase in tax revenue in response to a tax rate change represented a movement along the Laffer Curve toward T*, or a shift in the Laffer Curve itself, with a new T*. Policymakers trying to reach T* would effectively be groping in the dark after a moving target.

Lastly, it is not clear on economic grounds that maximizing or increasing government revenue (by moving toward T* on the Laffer Curve) is even an appropriate goal for choosing tax rates. It might easily be the case that a government could meet the otherwise unmet needs of its citizens and provide any necessary public goods at some level of revenue lower than the maximum it can potentially extract from the economy, perhaps much lower depending on the position of T*. If so, then given the well-researched principal-agent problems, rent-seeking, and knowledge problems that arise with the politically driven allocation of resources, putting additional funds in public coffers beyond this socially optimal level might just produce additional unnecessary social costs, inefficiencies, and dead-weight losses. Maximizing government tax revenue by taxing at T* would also likely maximize these costs. A more appropriate goal might be to reach the minimum tax revenue necessary to achieve only those socially necessary policy goals, which would seem to be almost the exact opposite of the purpose of the Laffer Curve.

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. Takket Sep 2021 #1
Feed the poor. 'Til there are no rich no more!🎶 LakeArenal Sep 2021 #2
The two have nothing to do with each other. brooklynite Sep 2021 #6
Seriously, Ten Years After is tongue and cheek. LakeArenal Sep 2021 #19
we are not socialist, just gobsmacked to still see this dross pushed here Celerity Sep 2021 #29
These wealthy taxpayers paid $200,000 per table for this social Hortensis Sep 2021 #63
I have always loved this song. I wish the solo at the end went on for 20 mins, though. SYFROYH Sep 2021 #132
🎶🎶❤️🎶🎶 LakeArenal Sep 2021 #137
We can't do that! Omnipresent Sep 2021 #3
She's at the Met Gala? Well I guess that's where you will Tomconroy Sep 2021 #4
Average cost of gowns there? NT mahatmakanejeeves Sep 2021 #5
Probably $5000-10,000 Marius25 Sep 2021 #102
Do you know that the people attending oppose higher tax rates? brooklynite Sep 2021 #7
Not living in NYC, I have to ask, what's the gala for? mahatmakanejeeves Sep 2021 #8
This is a fundraiser for the Metropolitan Museum of Art. brooklynite Sep 2021 #9
I think it's a fundraiser for the Fashion institute of the Tomconroy Sep 2021 #11
She's still Sgent Sep 2021 #58
It's a fundraiser Dorian Gray Sep 2021 #22
The vast majority of wealthy people would prefer Bettie Sep 2021 #30
All the more reason to applaud her gutsy move. She is not a coward! joetheman Sep 2021 #87
Perhaps the Congresswoman should focus her attention on her fellow members of Congress... brooklynite Sep 2021 #10
Had she worn a gown made out of duct tape, she might have made more of an impression. NT mahatmakanejeeves Sep 2021 #12
I'm sure Dorian Gray Sep 2021 #24
neither precludes the other fishwax Sep 2021 #36
It's 30K per ticket. sheshe2 Sep 2021 #13
Yeah - it's the post - but they are bringing the tea JustAnotherGen Sep 2021 #14
Ha! sheshe2 Sep 2021 #15
Oh wow! BlueLucy Sep 2021 #16
Dunno. sheshe2 Sep 2021 #20
The gown was donated by a young black designer. LakeArenal Sep 2021 #138
No, we don't Red Mountain Sep 2021 #139
Who paid for the tickets for herself and her boyfriend? sheshe2 Sep 2021 #143
To hob nob and raise money for her upcoming election Dorian Gray Sep 2021 #25
She was invited (didn't pay) n/t FreeState Sep 2021 #34
According to Newsweek, celebrities attend for free in exchange for promoting a designer's clothes. lapucelle Sep 2021 #60
Quid pro quo? I don't know... NurseJackie Sep 2021 #66
Status quo. betsuni Sep 2021 #69
Same as it ever was. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #79
+1 Nixie Sep 2021 #146
are you also going to accuse Carolyn Maloney of quid pro quo? Celerity Sep 2021 #80
I've made no accusations. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #85
Who designed Maloney's dress? Was she promoting a brand? lapucelle Sep 2021 #89
Whatabout. betsuni Sep 2021 #86
Yes. Apparently... NurseJackie Sep 2021 #91
Bingo. Treefrog Sep 2021 #117
Just random pictures of attendees misses the point, Nixie Sep 2021 #145
Partnered is this case is she was a co-designer of the dress FreeState Sep 2021 #112
The representative herself said that she "was partnered with James". Who did the partnering? lapucelle Sep 2021 #133
Interesting, thank you! betsuni Sep 2021 #142
Hanging out with the rich Raine Sep 2021 #55
I thought hanging out in wine caves and such with elites/establishment/capitalists was bad. betsuni Sep 2021 #61
That's one month's rent for 50 families, or could even get one's grandmother's roof fixed. George II Sep 2021 #17
Yes. sheshe2 Sep 2021 #26
Somehow that argument sounds familiar.. tonedevil Sep 2021 #101
So AOC is Jesus? mcar Sep 2021 #123
New International Version has the quote verbatim, other versions in paraphrase: Emrys Sep 2021 #126
Wasn't in the Catholic Bible mcar Sep 2021 #127
I found it on Wikipedia... tonedevil Sep 2021 #134
The sophomore representative from NY-14 considers that she and designer Aurora James lapucelle Sep 2021 #23
Un fugging believable. sheshe2 Sep 2021 #27
Perhaps the ticket was purchased with campaign funds? tritsofme Sep 2021 #31
Nope. George II Sep 2021 #44
Nope on what? tritsofme Sep 2021 #49
Most of it is charitible Sgent Sep 2021 #59
The "working class" bit sounded strange, for sure. Nixie Sep 2021 #73
+100000000 betsuni Sep 2021 #74
Way to put words in her mouth FreeState Sep 2021 #40
The post to which you responded doesn't mention middle class. George II Sep 2021 #45
They still don't identify as working class FreeState Sep 2021 #46
Politicians who attended the Met Gala JustAnotherGen Sep 2021 #53
I remember the 2001 exhibit and gala. It honored Jackie Kennedy during her White House years. lapucelle Sep 2021 #136
Everyone should watch that before they disparage AOC LakeArenal Sep 2021 #140
I'm with you on the "crap" JustAnotherGen Sep 2021 #144
This message was self-deleted by its author FreepFryer Sep 2021 #70
Tax the rich. Tax the corporations. Tax the churches. sarcasmo Sep 2021 #18
Churches that engage in politics. LakeArenal Sep 2021 #21
Love it. Celebs never pay for their gowns. Designers love having a celebrity wear it Arazi Sep 2021 #28
It had better not be a gift. Elected officials are not permitted to accept gifts. George II Sep 2021 #33
If your invited by a designer you don't pay for a ticket n/t FreeState Sep 2021 #37
If you attend an event that costs $35k (or $50k?) without paying, that's a gift over the limit. George II Sep 2021 #38
She helped design the dress FreeState Sep 2021 #39
I was talking about the price of a ticket to attend. This wasn't a political event. George II Sep 2021 #41
There was no price - designers and designer guests get a free ticket n/t FreeState Sep 2021 #42
A non-political event that has a ticket price of X dollars is not free, guests notwithstanding. George II Sep 2021 #43
Keep trying I'm sure she's done something horrible. /nt tonedevil Sep 2021 #54
well, she does live rent free in some people's heads Celerity Sep 2021 #56
ROTFLMAO/nt tonedevil Sep 2021 #57
Oh, lololol. Yeah, good to know that her criticisms of Nixie Sep 2021 #75
+1 betsuni Sep 2021 #76
you seem very selective in your criticisms Celerity Sep 2021 #78
A little hypocrisy never stood in the way of some old fashioned AOC bashing. PTWB Sep 2021 #83
+1 Celerity Sep 2021 #88
+1 Bettie Sep 2021 #96
Sorry, but no. Not the same thing, and you probably Nixie Sep 2021 #94
Only if the real estate has value Sympthsical Sep 2021 #90
best aoc upset snark ever! Voltaire2 Sep 2021 #92
Exactly! traitorsgalore Sep 2021 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author MrsCoffee Sep 2021 #93
As long as AOC keeps irritating all the right people inside and outside the party SYFROYH Sep 2021 #32
agree blogslug Sep 2021 #35
Right there with you ChubbyStar Sep 2021 #47
Some people in this topic wouldn't be happy unless she showed up... Lancero Sep 2021 #50
Ah fuck that ChubbyStar Sep 2021 #51
I can't even see half the responses. Lol! demmiblue Sep 2021 #64
Of course I logged in as a guest to read because I knew I would only see about 10 replies as Chubby ChubbyStar Sep 2021 #115
+1 Celerity Sep 2021 #52
Lol. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2021 #68
+1 demmiblue Sep 2021 #62
We need to require a lot more of a CONGRESSWOMAN than irritating Hortensis Sep 2021 #65
+100000000000 betsuni Sep 2021 #71
I didn't say that irritating people was the only thing she does. SYFROYH Sep 2021 #82
She made a Statement. Kid Berwyn Sep 2021 #67
✔️ LakeArenal Sep 2021 #141
Brilliant. Makes melania's stunt look even dumber and more impotent than it was. Go AOC! nt FreepFryer Sep 2021 #72
ha ha I love this woman. +1!!!!! BeckyDem Sep 2021 #77
I literally just listened to a rant by Joe Scarborough on MSNBC... bullwinkle428 Sep 2021 #81
Really we need to raise taxes on everyone. fescuerescue Sep 2021 #84
yes, because all those fat cats bringing in $7.25/hr and living the posh life in Celerity Sep 2021 #95
It's not about the wealthy vs the poor fescuerescue Sep 2021 #97
are you a deficit hawk? Celerity Sep 2021 #98
I wouldn't say that fescuerescue Sep 2021 #100
You will never come close to reducing the debt via wage income tax tinkering. Celerity Sep 2021 #108
when exactly is this 'debt catching up'? Voltaire2 Sep 2021 #103
If debts don't matter fescuerescue Sep 2021 #107
they don't matter as long as they are within certain limits. Voltaire2 Sep 2021 #120
It's only a myth as long as we manage it properly fescuerescue Sep 2021 #122
no your point, if you recall, was that you needed to tax the poor Voltaire2 Sep 2021 #124
I get to decide what my point is fescuerescue Sep 2021 #125
sure, but you don't get to redefine your point when it gets uncomfortable. Voltaire2 Sep 2021 #128
Yes I wrote that in #84. But your later paraphrasing in #124 was incorrect. fescuerescue Sep 2021 #129
so 'everyone' doesn't include the poor? Voltaire2 Sep 2021 #130
Just start back at post #84 and work your way down. fescuerescue Sep 2021 #131
gobsmacked (again) that I am seeing RW austerity manoeuvring and 'tax the poor more as they Celerity Sep 2021 #113
Isn't the laffer curve a RW conspiracy itself? fescuerescue Sep 2021 #116
it is poor, over-simplistic economics Celerity Sep 2021 #118
The wealthy derive, by far, the most benefits from an orderly well regulated society... hunter Sep 2021 #110
Le secret des grandes fortunes sans cause apparente est un crime Celerity Sep 2021 #114
Where is her mask? Zeitghost Sep 2021 #99
She did obnoxiousdrunk Sep 2021 #105
I'm so glad you found something to attack her with. Voltaire2 Sep 2021 #106
The posted pictures alone Zeitghost Sep 2021 #111
Oh you find them peculiar? ChubbyStar Sep 2021 #119
for example Voltaire2 Sep 2021 #121
Nice photo. jalan48 Sep 2021 #104
Bravo! WHITT Sep 2021 #109
She's so gorgeous... Phentex Sep 2021 #135
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