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NNadir

(36,785 posts)
2. Well, let's look at it this way...
Tue Jul 13, 2021, 12:11 AM
Jul 2021

According to the Comprehensive Data Base Wind Turbines maintained by the Danish Energy Agency, in that offshore oil and gas drilling hellhole Denmark, according to my last analysis about a year ago, the average life time of the greasy steel intensive, plastic spewing wind turbine in Denmark is on the order of 18 years.

Anyone who gives a rat's ass - not that anyone does because the external costs of the wind industry are ignored and blithely assumed to be "green" - can find this database here: Master Register of Wind Turbines

It's an excel spreadsheet, and using Excel functions, one can precisely determine what the life time of every operating and "decommissioned" turbine is or was. The mean figure when I did this work about a year or so ago, was less than 18 years on average, although a very small subset actually made it 30 years, very small, 3 or 4 as I recall.

The Diablo Canyon nuclear plant has operated, reliably for 36 years, and when it is shut because of extreme wasteful ignorance and stupidity in 3 years, it will have operated 39 years. It could operate longer, saving lives from air pollution and climate change, but the same people who don't care about dangerous fossil fuel waste, and for that matter coal waste from making steel for wind turbine posts, are unafraid to destroy infrastructure if it fulfills their nonsensical fear.

The site of the first nuclear plant that was ever built in the United States, Shippenport, built by a generation far less stupid than ours, is now a public park. So is the site of the Rancho Seco nuclear plant in California, which was destroyed by incompetence, to the wild cheering of crowds who have been spectacularly disinterested in the cost of decommissioning the planetary atmosphere because we just spent half a century waiting for, and predicting with ever more delusional certainty, a renewable energy nirvana that did not come, is not here, and will not come.

One can look up the costs of decommissioning various nuclear plants, this to a standard that no other energy source can be or is required to match. No one is going to decommission the gas fracking fields that are still being drilled because the sun doesn't always shine and the wind doesn't blow, but these fields are part of the external costs of so called "renewable energy's" unreliability.

The lanthanide mines at Baotou will not be cleaned up to the standard that the Rancho Seco plant was, even though these mines, something of a well understood international tragedy, are critical for putting magnets in wind turbines that do not continuously operate, but have something like a 30% to 40% capacity utilization depending where they are. (The capacity utilization of Danish wind turbines can be calculated using the Master Register. It's less than 30%.)

Of course, the same people who nickel and dime with selective attention focused on nuclear energy and don't give a rat's ass about the costs of anything else, will not bother to ask about the cost of driving thousands of diesel trucks over 800 square miles of the Tehachapi pass every 18 to 20 years. And of course, they will remain, as ever, completely indifferent to the destroyed desert ecosystem.

Making jobs that do not produce economic value - in this case energy - efficiently is destructive to the future of humanity. California could completely eliminate the gas requirements it is experiencing today if it built just 9 nuclear plants, on 9 (largely undisturbed) square miles of land if it built plants exactly equivalent to Diablo Canyon, using technology now almost half a century old. If, on the other hand, they employed modern engineering knowledge, including the use of heat networks that appear in regular discussions in scientific and engineering journals, they might eliminate all other forms of energy in the entire state with less than 10 plants, while desalinating water as a side product.

But rather than have a sensible discussion about energy and climate change, which has set California literally on fire, I am asked to give an answer to a nickel and dime "what if," "gotcha" question about decommissioning.

Come back and ask me this question when you have some figures on how much it might cost to restore the planetary atmosphere because solar and wind energy have proved, at the cost of trillions of squandered dollars, unable to do a damn thing to slow down the use of dangerous fossil fuels.

Have a nice evening.

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What's nuke energy cost plus de-commisioning? OAITW r.2.0 Jul 2021 #1
Well, let's look at it this way... NNadir Jul 2021 #2
3 sentences max please. OAITW r.2.0 Jul 2021 #3
I've always found Mr. Nadir's Information on point and very useful. Please rethink..... RussellCattle Jul 2021 #5
No. If you want laziness, on a matter of critical importance to humanity, climate change... NNadir Jul 2021 #8
Keep Diablo Canyon open. roamer65 Jul 2021 #4
One of the dumbest movies ever made. NNadir Jul 2021 #9
Hollywood makes lots of informative documentaries about gun fights and car chases as well... hunter Jul 2021 #10
The physics of "The China Syndrome" is even more absurd... NNadir Jul 2021 #11
All that fucking radioactive waste is getting shipped to NM womanofthehills Jul 2021 #6
Woman of these hills? hunter Jul 2021 #7
Why not wind and solar with nuclear back-up power? Happy Hoosier Jul 2021 #13
I think they did a good job of explaining this already. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2021 #19
But it is still centralized, and not very flexible, yes? Happy Hoosier Jul 2021 #28
Yeah, but I don't think is an issue of nuclear vs. wind/solar Act_of_Reparation Jul 2021 #38
Nuclear power makes these wind plants unnecessary. hunter Jul 2021 #22
Where I live there is very little undevloped land... Happy Hoosier Jul 2021 #29
Thank you. jeffreyi Jul 2021 #31
I Lived In Lancaster Co., PA For 25 Years - Where Three Mile Island Is Located Jim G. Jul 2021 #12
With all due respect... Happy Hoosier Jul 2021 #14
And Yet Three Mile Island Is Still Active Today Jim G. Jul 2021 #15
There are certainly some older plants.... Happy Hoosier Jul 2021 #34
An expensive accident but not comparable to, for example, the Deepwater Horizon disaster... hunter Jul 2021 #18
I'm With You, Except... ProfessorGAC Jul 2021 #39
Get any extra heads? NNadir Jul 2021 #23
While I Don't Advocate For Coal Or Any Other Fossil Fuels... Jim G. Jul 2021 #25
I lived less than 10 miles from TMI when it occured Cosmocat Jul 2021 #24
Interesting that you don't mention the Hosgri and Shoreline earthquake faults Tom Rinaldo Jul 2021 #16
The risk associated with this issue compares with the risk of... NNadir Jul 2021 #17
For the sake of clarity, you advocated for Diablo Canyon specifically here. Tom Rinaldo Jul 2021 #21
Yes, that's right. NNadir Jul 2021 #27
I'm sure that you've changed a few minds about nuclear power plants over the..... RussellCattle Jul 2021 #35
Interestingly enough, I served on a jury in a trial of a bunch of protesters MineralMan Jul 2021 #37
I didn't get arrested. I knew a few people who did. hunter Jul 2021 #42
I remember the reactor meltdown at Santa Susana there. MineralMan Jul 2021 #45
I was watching when they hauled it away. hunter Jul 2021 #47
Thank you! NurseJackie Jul 2021 #33
I'm pretty sure the Nazca lines didn't ruin the southern Peruvian plains. denbot Jul 2021 #20
If you are cooking with gas that's a greater danger to you than Fukushima. hunter Jul 2021 #26
Sounds like gridlock RussBLib Jul 2021 #30
Lulz. NurseJackie Jul 2021 #32
So, How Many New Nuclear Power Plants Are under Construction in the USA? MineralMan Jul 2021 #36
Enacting a stupid policy does not make it less stupid. NNadir Jul 2021 #41
However, it reflects reality. MineralMan Jul 2021 #44
I'm very pleased to learn that reality is wonderful. The West Coast is on fire, but it's not... NNadir Jul 2021 #48
Replacing the Diablo Canyon power plant with a gas plant will be yet another crime against humanity. hunter Jul 2021 #46
About those transmission lines bringing in electricity from Oregon: mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2021 #40
What do you want to know about HVDC? hunter Jul 2021 #43
What surprises me about it is how old the technology is. mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2021 #49
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