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NNadir

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Mon Jul 12, 2021, 11:32 PM Jul 2021

Busbar Electricity Prices at the Tehachapi Wind Farm This Evening. [View all]

The "Busbar" price of electricity is the price paid more or less at the generation source where it connects to the grid. It is more or less equivalent to the Incoterm FOB.

The California ISO website has a map based report of pricing at all California Power plants. It is here: Real Time Electricity Pricing.

The Tehachapi "wind resources area" has a Wikipedia page, describing its size and capacity: Tehachapi Wind Resource Area

Here is some interesting text from that Wikipedia page:

It is the largest wind resource area in California, encompassing an area of approximately 800 sq mi (2,100 km2) and producing a combined 3,507 MW of renewable electricity between its 5 independent wind farms.


800 square miles...2,100 sq km, 3,507 MW. I accept these as "facts," but if someone would like to suggest, "alternate facts," feel free to do so.

On the pricing page linked, you have to move the cursor over the plant, whereupon pricing will pop-up at that plant. The five Tehachapi wind plants are located pretty much due East of Pismo Beach, near the town of Mohave. You can zoom in and out to isolate it using the + and - keys at the bottom of the map. The prices at power plants change with market flows and are tied to the load of the State of California. As of this writing, 19:30 PDT, 6:30 PM, the State of California is consuming 37,449 MW of electricity, down from the peak demand at 18:00 PDT (6:00 PM PDT) of 38,709 MW. As of 19:30 PDT, all of the wind facilities in the entire State of California, including but not limited to the Tehachapi wind resources area were producing 4,678 MW of power. At the low point today, which occurred at 12:10 PDT, (12:10 PM PDT), at which all of the wind facilities in the entire State of California, including but not limited to the Tehachapi wind resources area were producing 1,319 MW of power, or roughly 0.5 MW per square mile if we, without real justification, imagine that all of California's wind turbines were in the Tehachapi Wind Resource Area Industrial Park. Actually this stuff is spread over a much larger area of the State of California.

Here, by the way, is an aerial view of part of the marvelous wind plant:



Notice all those delicious service roads for diesel trucks. Delicious...

Some prices at the plants as of 17:40 PDT (6:40 PM):

ENCWND: $77.49/MWh.
North Wind $77.09/MWh
TOT162W4_7_N001 $77.51/MWh.
ALTAD2_7_N006 $77.94/MWh.
ARBWIND_6_N001 $77.73/MWh

The Diablo Canyon Nuclear Plant operates as a physical plant, on 12 acres, (0.018 sq miles or 0.049 sq km) on a plot of around 700 acres (1.1 sq miles or 2.2 sq km), most of which is undisturbed marine chaparral. The plant has been producing between 2261 MW (low) and 2267 MW (high) consistently and reliably all day long, as of 18:30 PDT, July 12, 2021. In other words, the land footprint of the Diablo Canyon Nuclear Plant is 0.1% that of the Tehachapi Wind Resources Area.

The Diablo Canyon Nuclear Plant is located on the California coast, just north of Pismo Beach, and South of Morro Bay.

As of 20:05, the plant's busbar operating cost was:

DIABLOCN_2_N001: $82.68/MWh

This by the way is a lower price than is being observed at the nearby Dangerous Natural gas plants nearby in Pismo Beach

CALLENDR_1_N001 $85.06/MWh.

OCEANO_1_N004 $85.04

...and slightly higher than the price at the Morro Bay dangerous natural gas plant, $82.45/MWh.

At 18:30 PDT (6:30 PM PDT), dangerous natural gas plants in California were producing 21,133 MW of power.

Note that electricity prices swing wildly during the day, depending on load and supply for all power plants. These prices apply to an early evening on a hot day.

Note that the prices observed at Diablo Canyon do not include, as the wind plants should but don't, the costs associated with the necessary back up plants. It doesn't matter at Diablo Canyon if the wind is blowing or the sun is shining. The Diablo Canyon, unlike the gas plants, is able to contain all of its by products, the very valuable used nuclear fuel, on site, in contrast to the dangerous natural gas plants, which are allowed to dump the dangerous fossil fuel waste carbon dioxide directly into the planetary atmosphere at no cost, except for the cost to all future generations and all living things as a result of extreme climate change.

The State of California is now tragically experiencing more wild fires, as it has done in several recent years with increasing regularity. To my mind this is a function of the fact that the half of century of jaw boning about how wind and solar energy would save the world didn't work, isn't working and won't work, if the goal is to address climate change.

If, on the other hand, the goal is to lace the desert with access roads, the "renewable energy" industry in California is doing just great.

Because of appeals to fear and ignorance and wishful thinking, the Diablo Canyon Nuclear Plant will begin closing in 2024, and will stop producing climate change gas free electricity for the California grid.

Have a nice day tomorrow.
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What's nuke energy cost plus de-commisioning? OAITW r.2.0 Jul 2021 #1
Well, let's look at it this way... NNadir Jul 2021 #2
3 sentences max please. OAITW r.2.0 Jul 2021 #3
I've always found Mr. Nadir's Information on point and very useful. Please rethink..... RussellCattle Jul 2021 #5
No. If you want laziness, on a matter of critical importance to humanity, climate change... NNadir Jul 2021 #8
Keep Diablo Canyon open. roamer65 Jul 2021 #4
One of the dumbest movies ever made. NNadir Jul 2021 #9
Hollywood makes lots of informative documentaries about gun fights and car chases as well... hunter Jul 2021 #10
The physics of "The China Syndrome" is even more absurd... NNadir Jul 2021 #11
All that fucking radioactive waste is getting shipped to NM womanofthehills Jul 2021 #6
Woman of these hills? hunter Jul 2021 #7
Why not wind and solar with nuclear back-up power? Happy Hoosier Jul 2021 #13
I think they did a good job of explaining this already. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2021 #19
But it is still centralized, and not very flexible, yes? Happy Hoosier Jul 2021 #28
Yeah, but I don't think is an issue of nuclear vs. wind/solar Act_of_Reparation Jul 2021 #38
Nuclear power makes these wind plants unnecessary. hunter Jul 2021 #22
Where I live there is very little undevloped land... Happy Hoosier Jul 2021 #29
Thank you. jeffreyi Jul 2021 #31
I Lived In Lancaster Co., PA For 25 Years - Where Three Mile Island Is Located Jim G. Jul 2021 #12
With all due respect... Happy Hoosier Jul 2021 #14
And Yet Three Mile Island Is Still Active Today Jim G. Jul 2021 #15
There are certainly some older plants.... Happy Hoosier Jul 2021 #34
An expensive accident but not comparable to, for example, the Deepwater Horizon disaster... hunter Jul 2021 #18
I'm With You, Except... ProfessorGAC Jul 2021 #39
Get any extra heads? NNadir Jul 2021 #23
While I Don't Advocate For Coal Or Any Other Fossil Fuels... Jim G. Jul 2021 #25
I lived less than 10 miles from TMI when it occured Cosmocat Jul 2021 #24
Interesting that you don't mention the Hosgri and Shoreline earthquake faults Tom Rinaldo Jul 2021 #16
The risk associated with this issue compares with the risk of... NNadir Jul 2021 #17
For the sake of clarity, you advocated for Diablo Canyon specifically here. Tom Rinaldo Jul 2021 #21
Yes, that's right. NNadir Jul 2021 #27
I'm sure that you've changed a few minds about nuclear power plants over the..... RussellCattle Jul 2021 #35
Interestingly enough, I served on a jury in a trial of a bunch of protesters MineralMan Jul 2021 #37
I didn't get arrested. I knew a few people who did. hunter Jul 2021 #42
I remember the reactor meltdown at Santa Susana there. MineralMan Jul 2021 #45
I was watching when they hauled it away. hunter Jul 2021 #47
Thank you! NurseJackie Jul 2021 #33
I'm pretty sure the Nazca lines didn't ruin the southern Peruvian plains. denbot Jul 2021 #20
If you are cooking with gas that's a greater danger to you than Fukushima. hunter Jul 2021 #26
Sounds like gridlock RussBLib Jul 2021 #30
Lulz. NurseJackie Jul 2021 #32
So, How Many New Nuclear Power Plants Are under Construction in the USA? MineralMan Jul 2021 #36
Enacting a stupid policy does not make it less stupid. NNadir Jul 2021 #41
However, it reflects reality. MineralMan Jul 2021 #44
I'm very pleased to learn that reality is wonderful. The West Coast is on fire, but it's not... NNadir Jul 2021 #48
Replacing the Diablo Canyon power plant with a gas plant will be yet another crime against humanity. hunter Jul 2021 #46
About those transmission lines bringing in electricity from Oregon: mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2021 #40
What do you want to know about HVDC? hunter Jul 2021 #43
What surprises me about it is how old the technology is. mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2021 #49
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