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In reply to the discussion: Leaked Audio of Sen. Joe Manchin Call With Billionaire Donors Provides Rare Glimpse of Dealmaking [View all]Fiendish Thingy
(20,974 posts)44. You buried the money quotes:
Manchins openness for filibuster reform on the call is notable given it flew in the face of many attendees hopes. Asked about a proposal to lower the threshold to beat back a filibuster to 55 votes, he said that it was something he was considering, but then quickly referred back to his earlier idea of forcing the minority to show up on the Senate floor in large enough numbers to maintain a filibuster.
Thats thats one of many good, good suggestions Ive had, he said of lowering the cloture total from 60 to 55. Manchin went on to discuss the last time the cloture threshold was lowered, in the 1970s.
I looked back when it went from 67 votes to 60 votes, and also what was happening, what made them think that it needed to change. So Im open to looking at it, Im just not open to getting rid of the filibuster, thats all, he said.
60 is where I planted my flag, but as long as they know that Im going to protect this filibuster, were looking at good solutions.
Manchin acknowledged that publicly he had drawn a line at 60, but said that he was open to other ideas. Right now, 60 is where I planted my flag, but as long as they know that Im going to protect this filibuster, were looking at good solutions, he said. I think, basically, it should be [that] 41 people have to force the issue versus the 60 that we need in the affirmative. So find 41 in the negative. I think one little change that could be made right now is basically anyone who wants to filibuster ought to be required to go to the floor and basically state your objection and why youre filibustering and also state what you think needs to change thatd fix it, so you would support it. To me, thats pretty constructive.
Thats thats one of many good, good suggestions Ive had, he said of lowering the cloture total from 60 to 55. Manchin went on to discuss the last time the cloture threshold was lowered, in the 1970s.
I looked back when it went from 67 votes to 60 votes, and also what was happening, what made them think that it needed to change. So Im open to looking at it, Im just not open to getting rid of the filibuster, thats all, he said.
60 is where I planted my flag, but as long as they know that Im going to protect this filibuster, were looking at good solutions.
Manchin acknowledged that publicly he had drawn a line at 60, but said that he was open to other ideas. Right now, 60 is where I planted my flag, but as long as they know that Im going to protect this filibuster, were looking at good solutions, he said. I think, basically, it should be [that] 41 people have to force the issue versus the 60 that we need in the affirmative. So find 41 in the negative. I think one little change that could be made right now is basically anyone who wants to filibuster ought to be required to go to the floor and basically state your objection and why youre filibustering and also state what you think needs to change thatd fix it, so you would support it. To me, thats pretty constructive.
Kudos to whoever leaked the audio, and Fuck.Joe.Lieberman.
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Leaked Audio of Sen. Joe Manchin Call With Billionaire Donors Provides Rare Glimpse of Dealmaking [View all]
PoliticAverse
Jun 2021
OP
Well, well, well. Manchin needs 'help' flipping some "far left" of their filibuster argument.
TheBlackAdder
Jun 2021
#2
Early in the article it said he objected to automatic voter registration at drivers
questionseverything
Jun 2021
#6
Ah, Ryan Grim, the guy who brought us Tara Reade. He's posted a bunch of stuff that hasn't
JoanofArgh
Jun 2021
#25
I'm wondering how Grim got this "leaked audio" of a private meeting? Seems convenient to me.
George II
Jun 2021
#42
If you actually read the intercept article and/or listened to the recording
questionseverything
Jun 2021
#38
You have written paragraphs and paragraphs about an article you clearly did not read
questionseverything
Jun 2021
#41
I will keep playing this game because every exchange kicks the really important guardian article
questionseverything
Jun 2021
#67
I used to think the Intercept was too libertarian. But it's not rated as right wing.
ancianita
Jun 2021
#12
Right/left are stupidly limiting pigeonholes & should be dropped. Politics is multi-dimensiona. . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Jun 2021
#22
There's also this about the category in which Media Bias Fact Check places them (Left Bias):
George II
Jun 2021
#32
If Ryan Grim can produce the actual video to go with his own personal "play-by-play", then sure.
Budi
Jun 2021
#34
It's not the 1st time Grim has done a sleazy dirty deed with half ass 'reporting'.
Budi
Jun 2021
#49
If we had term limits maybe we wouldn't be so dependent on divas to to the right thing nt
notpolltested
Jun 2021
#13
I'm absolutely baffled as to why people think term limits will solve anything.
JoanofArgh
Jun 2021
#28
Is there audio of Manchin talking to any regular people? Like maybe his constituents?
Midnight Writer
Jun 2021
#14
The only good thing about that is Dems now know where he actually stands. When Mitch continues to
OnDoutside
Jun 2021
#17
I wish someone would just ask him how much of a donation he needs to end the filibuster
kimbutgar
Jun 2021
#26
Apparently Manchin (STILL a Democrat) is whipping votes in an attempt to flip republicans...
George II
Jun 2021
#27
I don't psychoanalyze people. Regardless of what happens in the Senate, Speaker Pelosi will still...
George II
Jun 2021
#50
He's a Democrat, probably the best Democrat we can expect in the state of West Virginia.
George II
Jun 2021
#30
That stuff about accepting contributions is not true, candidates have limits on how much....
George II
Jun 2021
#58
He's a DEMOCRAT, the best Democrat WVA can provide. PLEASE don't bash him. Thanks.
George II
Jun 2021
#70
new congress bill : congress people can be removed by their district at any time .no wait clause
monkeyman1
Jun 2021
#31
So, He's Actually Much More Thoughtful and Nuanced Than One Might Think from Recent Reports
Beetwasher.
Jun 2021
#54
So, he's playing 4-dimensional string theory chess against the Republicans?
LudwigPastorius
Jun 2021
#63