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Fiendish Thingy

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44. You buried the money quotes:
Wed Jun 16, 2021, 08:45 PM
Jun 2021
Manchin’s openness for filibuster reform on the call is notable given it flew in the face of many attendees’ hopes. Asked about a proposal to lower the threshold to beat back a filibuster to 55 votes, he said that it was something he was considering, but then quickly referred back to his earlier idea of forcing the minority to show up on the Senate floor in large enough numbers to maintain a filibuster.

“That’s that’s one of many good, good suggestions I’ve had,” he said of lowering the cloture total from 60 to 55. Manchin went on to discuss the last time the cloture threshold was lowered, in the 1970s.

“I looked back … when it went from 67 votes to 60 votes, and also what was happening, what made them think that it needed to change. So I’m open to looking at it, I’m just not open to getting rid of the filibuster, that’s all,” he said.

“60 is where I planted my flag, but as long as they know that I’m going to protect this filibuster, we’re looking at good solutions.”
Manchin acknowledged that publicly he had drawn a line at 60, but said that he was open to other ideas. “Right now, 60 is where I planted my flag, but as long as they know that I’m going to protect this filibuster, we’re looking at good solutions,” he said. “I think, basically, it should be [that] 41 people have to force the issue versus the 60 that we need in the affirmative. So find 41 in the negative. … I think one little change that could be made right now is basically anyone who wants to filibuster ought to be required to go to the floor and basically state your objection and why you’re filibustering and also state what you think needs to change that’d fix it, so you would support it. To me, that’s pretty constructive.”


Kudos to whoever leaked the audio, and…Fuck.Joe.Lieberman.

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So the truth about Manchin's agenda is out of the bag gohuskies Jun 2021 #1
Well, well, well. Manchin needs 'help' flipping some "far left" of their filibuster argument. TheBlackAdder Jun 2021 #2
Oh what a tangled web... ShazzieB Jun 2021 #16
Sigh. At least he's trying to flip Republicans. LakeArenal Jun 2021 #3
This is disgusting. budkin Jun 2021 #4
Meeting Hosted by Joe Lieberman's No Label's group wellst0nev0ter Jun 2021 #5
Fucking Lieberman is still pulling this shit. Fuck him! madinmaryland Jun 2021 #8
Ah, that's where Tom Tomorrow's Jedi Master came from. robertpaulsen Jun 2021 #10
Tom Tomorrow can always be relied upon to nail it. n/t ms liberty Jun 2021 #23
Early in the article it said he objected to automatic voter registration at drivers questionseverything Jun 2021 #6
Unless Ryan Grim has a video of that private Zoom call he somehow hacked into Budi Jun 2021 #9
Ah, Ryan Grim, the guy who brought us Tara Reade. He's posted a bunch of stuff that hasn't JoanofArgh Jun 2021 #25
I'm wondering how Grim got this "leaked audio" of a private meeting? Seems convenient to me. George II Jun 2021 #42
To me as well. JoanofArgh Jun 2021 #78
If you actually read the intercept article and/or listened to the recording questionseverything Jun 2021 #38
Ryan Grim is not a reporter. He gave us the Tara Reade sensationalism-as-news Budi Jun 2021 #39
You have written paragraphs and paragraphs about an article you clearly did not read questionseverything Jun 2021 #41
Well that's rather damned accusatory. Budi Jun 2021 #48
So I googled tara Reade questionseverything Jun 2021 #52
He most certainly was. Try again. Budi Jun 2021 #55
Listen to the recording questionseverything Jun 2021 #60
How'd Grim get the audio? Budi Jun 2021 #64
The endgame is to pressure Manchin to actually vote on this stuff. aocommunalpunch Jun 2021 #66
Vote on what stuff? Who else is voting NO besides Manchin & Sinema? Budi Jun 2021 #68
I will keep playing this game because every exchange kicks the really important guardian article questionseverything Jun 2021 #67
Why not both? ShazzieB Jun 2021 #18
1st of all, it's The Intercept. 2nd, it's from Ryan Grimm Budi Jun 2021 #7
I used to think the Intercept was too libertarian. But it's not rated as right wing. ancianita Jun 2021 #12
Right/left are stupidly limiting pigeonholes & should be dropped. Politics is multi-dimensiona. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2021 #22
There's also this about the category in which Media Bias Fact Check places them (Left Bias): George II Jun 2021 #32
so what - you think the call was made up? choie Jun 2021 #15
If Ryan Grim can produce the actual video to go with his own personal "play-by-play", then sure. Budi Jun 2021 #34
I don't care about Grim, it's the audio that matters Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #46
It's not the 1st time Grim has done a sleazy dirty deed with half ass 'reporting'. Budi Jun 2021 #49
Same SunImp Jun 2021 #51
Is even more important to get +52 in '22 in order to reform the filibuster!! aeromanKC Jun 2021 #11
If we had term limits maybe we wouldn't be so dependent on divas to to the right thing nt notpolltested Jun 2021 #13
I get your point, but we have term limits. They're called elections. Progressive Jones Jun 2021 #20
I'm absolutely baffled as to why people think term limits will solve anything. JoanofArgh Jun 2021 #28
Great, I'll gladly take Susan Collins Maine seat replaced notpolltested Jun 2021 #57
Is there audio of Manchin talking to any regular people? Like maybe his constituents? Midnight Writer Jun 2021 #14
Don't be silly, Midnight Writer Trailrider1951 Jun 2021 #24
The only good thing about that is Dems now know where he actually stands. When Mitch continues to OnDoutside Jun 2021 #17
Another good write up is at KOS LiberalArkie Jun 2021 #19
The ethics of his daughter always told me a lot about his. LiberalArkie Jun 2021 #21
I wish someone would just ask him how much of a donation he needs to end the filibuster kimbutgar Jun 2021 #26
Apparently Manchin (STILL a Democrat) is whipping votes in an attempt to flip republicans... George II Jun 2021 #27
He's whipping votes because if the filibuster blocks the commission: Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #45
I don't psychoanalyze people. Regardless of what happens in the Senate, Speaker Pelosi will still... George II Jun 2021 #50
He's a DINO, but there's nothing cute about him.. LudwigPastorius Jun 2021 #29
He's a Democrat, probably the best Democrat we can expect in the state of West Virginia. George II Jun 2021 #30
Waiting for a Ryan Grim affiliated candidate to Primary Manchin. Budi Jun 2021 #37
She already tried... BGBD Jun 2021 #75
Who tried & got obliterated. ? Budi Jun 2021 #76
Paula Jean Swearengin BGBD Jun 2021 #80
I accept this argument when TheFarseer Jun 2021 #56
That stuff about accepting contributions is not true, candidates have limits on how much.... George II Jun 2021 #58
So Joe Manchin has a big meeting TheFarseer Jun 2021 #62
You're telling me he openly violated campaign finance laws? George II Jun 2021 #69
No TheFarseer Jun 2021 #71
Rofl... Manchin ain't the only one with big private PAC funders Budi Jun 2021 #77
Yeah obviously he's not the only one TheFarseer Jun 2021 #79
Best Democrat Koch money can buy. Crunchy Frog Jun 2021 #59
He's a DEMOCRAT, the best Democrat WVA can provide. PLEASE don't bash him. Thanks. George II Jun 2021 #70
There's a few DINOs in the House & Senate. Flipfloppers too! Budi Jun 2021 #40
new congress bill : congress people can be removed by their district at any time .no wait clause monkeyman1 Jun 2021 #31
Manchin bdamomma Jun 2021 #33
Who pays Ryan Grim? Budi Jun 2021 #35
Hey, he's 'listening to his CONSTITUENTS!' - the wealthy ones.. TeamProg Jun 2021 #36
Manchin is more savvy then he lets on andym Jun 2021 #43
You buried the money quotes: Fiendish Thingy Jun 2021 #44
Good point questionseverything Jun 2021 #53
So, He's Actually Much More Thoughtful and Nuanced Than One Might Think from Recent Reports Beetwasher. Jun 2021 #54
Oh, the horror!!!!! BGBD Jun 2021 #47
No, it's literal. aocommunalpunch Jun 2021 #61
Manchin isn't a leftist BGBD Jun 2021 #74
So, he's playing 4-dimensional string theory chess against the Republicans? LudwigPastorius Jun 2021 #63
It appears he doesn't want to be on the record. aocommunalpunch Jun 2021 #65
What's the dirty part? BGBD Jun 2021 #73
He does BGBD Jun 2021 #72
The Intercept: Disregard Completely. MineralMan Jun 2021 #81
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