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Dark n Stormy Knight

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12. I still think he's enough of a fascist pig to call him a fascist pig.
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 08:25 AM
Jul 2020

But, this article agrees with you:

How fascist is Donald Trump? There’s actually a formula for that.
Grading the billionaire on the 11 attributes of fascism.

Fascism was born in Italy during World War I and came to power with the ex-journalist and war veteran Benito Mussolini in 1922. Since the 1950s, dozens of top historians and political scientists have put fascism, especially the Italian and German versions, under the microscope. They’ve come up with a pretty solid agreement on what it is, both as a political ideology and as a political movement, factoring in all the (sometimes contradictory) things its progenitors said as they ascended to power. As a political ideology, fascism has eight main traits. As a political movement, it has three more. So: Just how fascist is Trump? On the fascist meter, we can award him zero to four “Benitos.”


They rate him on the following:

1. Hyper-nationalism.

2. Militarism.

3. Glorification of violence and readiness to use it in politics.

4. Fetishization of youth.

5. Fetishization of masculinity.

6. Leader cult.

7. Lost-golden-age syndrome.

8. Self-definition by opposition.

9. Mass mobilization and mass party.

10. Hierarchical party structure and tendency to purge the disloyal.

11. Theatricality.

See the article for the individual scores they give.

Add all this up, and you get 26 out of a possible 44 Benitos. In the fascist derby, Trump is a loser. Even Spain’s Francisco Franco and Portugal’s António de Oliveira Salazar might score higher. While there is a strong family resemblance, and with some features an uncanny likeness, Trump doesn’t fit the profile so well on those points where the use of violence is required. Projecting an air of menace at rallies, uttering ambiguous calls for assassinations, tacitly endorsing the roughing-up of protesters, urging the killing of terrorists’ families and whatever else Trump does — while shocking by the standards of American politics — fall far short of the genuinely murderous violence endorsed and unleashed by authentic fascists.

In a more nuanced approach, we might weight the various traits of fascism differently, but it’s not obvious how best to do so. Hyper-nationalism, for example, is more consequential than the youth fetish and perhaps ought to be taken more seriously. But it is also less distinctively fascist, being common to many types of political regimes. A longer list, too, might add refinement and complexity. But Trump does not do nuance. A crude, quick and flippant assessment is what he deserves. He is semi-fascist: more fascist than any successful American politician yet, and the most dangerous threat to pluralist democracy in this country in more than a century, but — thank our stars — an amateurish imitation of the real thing.

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Excellent Points, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2020 #1
In many ways that's what makes him dangerous Buckeyeblue Jul 2020 #2
So.... Trump is an insult to fascism? Rollo Jul 2020 #3
This post overlooks something very obvious. Mike 03 Jul 2020 #4
I've offered before, the Venn diagrams of the far right and Trump overlap almost... Hugin Jul 2020 #11
+1 Nevilledog Jul 2020 #30
I don't worry about trump* nearly as much as I worry about the people manipulating him... Siwsan Jul 2020 #5
+1 Mike 03 Jul 2020 #7
Yes, and all they have to do is tell him how wonderful he is. tanyev Jul 2020 #15
he's just a sad. stupid. man. KG Jul 2020 #6
Trump is a pawn. smirkymonkey Jul 2020 #8
I posit that Old Yeller may not be... Hugin Jul 2020 #9
Correct, BUT HAB911 Jul 2020 #10
I still think he's enough of a fascist pig to call him a fascist pig. Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 2020 #12
+1 n/t Silent3 Jul 2020 #23
The Man-Toddler Totalitarian Blue Owl Jul 2020 #13
Trump is rubber stamping... lame54 Jul 2020 #14
Trump is the puppet of fascists. yardwork Jul 2020 #16
People that know him have said he is mean and vindictive. Swede Jul 2020 #17
Fascist is as fascist does. n/t eShirl Jul 2020 #18
You forgot his huge need for revenge. tinrobot Jul 2020 #19
It's not mutually exclusive. ananda Jul 2020 #20
Isn't that exactly what Hitler did to become a "dictator"? imanamerican63 Jul 2020 #21
Yes and No. Hitler was elevated to power by others but he was a hard worker: DetlefK Jul 2020 #24
Good points! imanamerican63 Jul 2020 #25
Great Post, Except... ProfessorGAC Jul 2020 #28
Keep telling yourself that. dawg Jul 2020 #22
I agree, he's a terrible authoritarian. HotTeaBag Jul 2020 #26
In an abusive relationship, the most dangerous time for the victim is when the victim decides to Grammy23 Jul 2020 #27
Where anyone can grow up to be President. GeorgeGist Jul 2020 #29
He's a dumpster fire LeftInTX Jul 2020 #31
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