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In reply to the discussion: AOC Attacked by Super PAC Funded by Primary Opponent's Husband [View all]Celerity
(52,645 posts)63. you are vastly overstating Warren's 'Republicaness' and vastly underplaying Caruso-Cabrera's
Warren was only a registered Republican from 1991 to 1996, the only Republican POTUS she ever voted for was Ford. The last time she was a registered Republican was 24 years ago.
Michelle Caruso Cabrera, on the other hand, was still pushing her RW anti-government, Reagan-loving book she wrote as of October 2018. She also rented from Trump until late 2019 (just months ago), lived in Trump Tower in a flat that was close to and probably well over 200,000 USD rent per year. (It was 180,000 USD a year nine years ago and Manhattan ultra-luxury rents have skyrocketed since then)
I also REALLY have to laugh at this (coming from a multi-millionaire who just moved to Queens a few months ago from a flat whose rent alone is 4 or 5 times the entire income of your average person) and given the fact that AOC has lived in the Bronx since 2011 and overall has lived there 14 years of her 30 on the planet
https://www.businessinsider.com/aocs-democratic-challenger-lived-in-trump-tower-before-moving-queens-2020-4?r=US&IR=T
Caruso-Cabrera's own Republican backers describe her as
https://www.ft.com/content/580b5830-7f7e-4092-a6f7-7b451e075e10
Warren grew up in an FDR Democratic household.
Her first vote the POTUS was AGAINST Nixon in 1972. She did vote for Ford, but liked Carter. She voted Carter in 1980 and Mondale in 1984. In 1988 she voted for Dukakis, and in 1992, Clinton. Obviously voted for Clinton again in 1996 and every other Democrat since then. She registered as a Republican because she had moved to PA and liked Arlen Specter, who also switched to our Party from Republican.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/12/elizabeth-warren-profile-young-republican-2020-president-226613
Warren also 2nd lowest Trump score in the entire Senate
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/

compare that to the highest Democrats

Michelle Caruso Cabrera, on the other hand, was still pushing her RW anti-government, Reagan-loving book she wrote as of October 2018. She also rented from Trump until late 2019 (just months ago), lived in Trump Tower in a flat that was close to and probably well over 200,000 USD rent per year. (It was 180,000 USD a year nine years ago and Manhattan ultra-luxury rents have skyrocketed since then)
I also REALLY have to laugh at this (coming from a multi-millionaire who just moved to Queens a few months ago from a flat whose rent alone is 4 or 5 times the entire income of your average person) and given the fact that AOC has lived in the Bronx since 2011 and overall has lived there 14 years of her 30 on the planet
https://www.businessinsider.com/aocs-democratic-challenger-lived-in-trump-tower-before-moving-queens-2020-4?r=US&IR=T
In a recent interview with Insider, Caruso-Cabrera said the first-term congresswoman was "out of touch" with her district, "doesn't know what it takes to put food on the table and to put a roof over the head of a family," and was masquerading as a Bronx native.
But Caruso-Cabrera, a New Hampshire native who lived in Manhattan for 20 years, told Insider she moved to New York's 14th Congressional District only late last year when she and her husband took up residence in Sunnyside, Queens.

Caruso-Cabrera's own Republican backers describe her as
https://www.ft.com/content/580b5830-7f7e-4092-a6f7-7b451e075e10
Larry Lindsey, a Republican economist who served in the George W Bush administration, said: Michelle knows more about the world and how things work than probably a solid majority of Congress. He said he had known the challenger for 15 years and wrote her campaign a cheque as soon as he learnt she was running. She and I would consider ourselves pragmatic libertarians.
Warren grew up in an FDR Democratic household.
Her first vote the POTUS was AGAINST Nixon in 1972. She did vote for Ford, but liked Carter. She voted Carter in 1980 and Mondale in 1984. In 1988 she voted for Dukakis, and in 1992, Clinton. Obviously voted for Clinton again in 1996 and every other Democrat since then. She registered as a Republican because she had moved to PA and liked Arlen Specter, who also switched to our Party from Republican.
Her first presidential vote, in 1972, had been cast against a man she said she disliked passionately, Richard Nixon. But reflecting on how little she had paid attention to day-to-day politics at the time, she couldnt immediately recall who had been running against him. When told it was Democrat George McGovern, she said, Yes, she would have voted for him but didnt have any specific memory of having done so. (She was living in New Jersey at the time.) Going to the polls, she said, was nothing new for her. Warrens mother had been a poll worker and brought her young daughter to the polls each Election Day.
Nixon was re-elected that year, of course, but resigned and was replaced by Gerald Ford. Warren said she had voted for him in 1976, believing that Ford was a decent man. But she was happy with Jimmy Carter, who beat him. I thought he [also] was a decent man, she said, transferring her then-standard for what she wanted in a politician from Ford to Carter. He was a really good man.
As the 80s wore on and her research on bankruptcy progressed, Warren started waking up politically. At the time, though, the two parties had yet to separate entirely along ideological lines, as some deeply conservative and racist Democrats still held office, as did some genuinely liberal Republicans. In 1988, Warren voted for Michael Dukakis but, in 1992, split her ticket, voting for Republican Arlen Specter for Senate and Democrat Bill Clinton for president. Specter is a good example of the one-time flexibility of the party system and the politicians within it: He began and ended his career as a Democrat, but was a Republican for much of the middle of it. By the fall of 1987, she had moved to Pennsylvania and registered there as a Republican. Warren said she couldnt quite remember why she did it but that she was a fan of Specter. Again, I thought he was a decent man, she said. She couldnt recall whom he ran against. (His Democratic opponent was Lynn Yeakel.) That GOP registration, though, has set off speculation over the years that one of the Senates most progressive champions may have at one time been a Ronald Reagan backer.
So we asked her: Is it true? Is it possible the champion of the regulatory cops on Wall Street voted for the man who made deregulation a hallmark of his presidency?
No.
In 1980, she said, she was a registered independent living in Missouri City, Texas, and cast her vote to re-elect Carter.
When Reagan won, she wasnt happy but not crushed the way she was on election night in 2016. I was disappointed and didnt like him, but I wasnt deeply worried for the country, not anything like when Trump was elected, she explained. If she could go back in time, she said, she would tell herself this was a far more pivotal historical moment than you understand.
Nixon was re-elected that year, of course, but resigned and was replaced by Gerald Ford. Warren said she had voted for him in 1976, believing that Ford was a decent man. But she was happy with Jimmy Carter, who beat him. I thought he [also] was a decent man, she said, transferring her then-standard for what she wanted in a politician from Ford to Carter. He was a really good man.
As the 80s wore on and her research on bankruptcy progressed, Warren started waking up politically. At the time, though, the two parties had yet to separate entirely along ideological lines, as some deeply conservative and racist Democrats still held office, as did some genuinely liberal Republicans. In 1988, Warren voted for Michael Dukakis but, in 1992, split her ticket, voting for Republican Arlen Specter for Senate and Democrat Bill Clinton for president. Specter is a good example of the one-time flexibility of the party system and the politicians within it: He began and ended his career as a Democrat, but was a Republican for much of the middle of it. By the fall of 1987, she had moved to Pennsylvania and registered there as a Republican. Warren said she couldnt quite remember why she did it but that she was a fan of Specter. Again, I thought he was a decent man, she said. She couldnt recall whom he ran against. (His Democratic opponent was Lynn Yeakel.) That GOP registration, though, has set off speculation over the years that one of the Senates most progressive champions may have at one time been a Ronald Reagan backer.
So we asked her: Is it true? Is it possible the champion of the regulatory cops on Wall Street voted for the man who made deregulation a hallmark of his presidency?
No.
In 1980, she said, she was a registered independent living in Missouri City, Texas, and cast her vote to re-elect Carter.
When Reagan won, she wasnt happy but not crushed the way she was on election night in 2016. I was disappointed and didnt like him, but I wasnt deeply worried for the country, not anything like when Trump was elected, she explained. If she could go back in time, she said, she would tell herself this was a far more pivotal historical moment than you understand.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/12/elizabeth-warren-profile-young-republican-2020-president-226613
Warren has acknowledged her Republican past before, but she does not often discuss it, or else downplays it. In a recent interview over tea at her home in Cambridge, Massachusetts, she said she assumes the first time she registered as a Democrat was 1996, but added, Im not even 100 percent sure what I was registered as. According to Warren, in the six presidential elections she voted in before 1996, she cast her ballot for just one GOP nominee, Gerald Ford in 1976. She does not talk about her Republican past in either of her books or as part of the biography she recounts in her stump speech; the information often comes as a surprise even to Beltway politicos and longtime Warren allies.
Warren also 2nd lowest Trump score in the entire Senate
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/

compare that to the highest Democrats

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Be nice to the people on the way up, because you might meet them again on the way down.
OnDoutside
Jun 2020
#6
And many people here have a huge problem with attacks on Democrats who have toiled long and
OnDoutside
Jun 2020
#12
This is like a flashback to the Bernie Bros here, in Jan & Feb. Anyone who didn't fall at the feet
OnDoutside
Jun 2020
#27
She has a right to endorse anyone she wants just as anyone else has a right to endorse whoever they
JonLP24
Jun 2020
#29
No, you can be a progressive and not be a Bernie Bro. 99% of Democrats, by the very fact of not
OnDoutside
Jun 2020
#35
As I said, I am fine with Democrats, real Democrats supporting Democratic Party positions,
Voltaire2
Jun 2020
#32
"DARES to speak truth to power" Lol. That's one way of putting it. Firing balls of shit, at fellow
OnDoutside
Jun 2020
#18
It's irrelevant. The issue is that the AOC supporters here are pissed at other posters who are not
OnDoutside
Jun 2020
#42
I think it's fair to say that many people here would be happier with Badrun Khan rather than
OnDoutside
Jun 2020
#69
No, it isn't simply because they don't like that progressive Democrat. You seem to think that
OnDoutside
Jun 2020
#73
the ironic thing is that the real hardcore lefties (the ones who are far to the left of even most
Celerity
Jun 2020
#37
MCC is a woman of color too, as is Badrun Khan. Why hold that up for one and not the other two?
George II
Jun 2020
#46
And you will still be waiting, based on the reasons I've already given you a couple of times.
George II
Jun 2020
#54
No, I simply do not answer hypotheticals about something that will never happen.
George II
Jun 2020
#56
Make up your own reasons for why I do or don't do something, that's your prerogative....
George II
Jun 2020
#61
I'll tell you what, when donald trump switches parties and becomes a Democrat ask me again. Fair?
George II
Jun 2020
#65
I don't see the point in answering any question you might whimsically come up with....
George II
Jun 2020
#68
That's about policy, and I agree, that's perfectly fine to criticise. No problem with that.
OnDoutside
Jun 2020
#28
AOC has national appeal, look at the chart that shows her average contribution, it is only 10 USD,
Celerity
Jun 2020
#25
it is not a moot point if you look at the overall agenda behind many of her largest donors & backers
Celerity
Jun 2020
#38
"afraid of AOC, a woman of color in a position of power who DARES to speak truth to power."
jcgoldie
Jun 2020
#15
MCC was pushing that book she wrote in 2010 as of 2018. She also rented from Trump until 2019
Autumn
Jun 2020
#16
Then we should wait to see that evolution before voting for a prediction based on nothing.
CountMyVote4Reality
Jun 2020
#49
If you think Liz Warren is the darling of progressives you don't know many progressives.
aidbo
Jun 2020
#58
you are vastly overstating Warren's 'Republicaness' and vastly underplaying Caruso-Cabrera's
Celerity
Jun 2020
#63
What's fair is fair... if AOC and crew can go after Engel, this isn't any different.
Blasphemer
Jun 2020
#66