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bitterross

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8. Trial balloon and keeping it in the news

Mon May 6, 2019, 10:04 AM

May 2019

In this case, I'm okay with 2 days. That gives it two more days on the news. It also allows them to judge public reaction to Congress finally holding someone accountable.

It seems like a way to test the waters for other things. Hopefully, a referral to DOJ for perjury is coming too.

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BREAKING CNN - House WILL vote to hold Barr in Contempt of Congress! [View all] MoonRiver May 2019 OP

Really??!! Great! One question, though... Shell_Seas May 2019 #1

Stay tuned. But at least they're doing their Constitutional duty. MoonRiver May 2019 #2

Correct malaise May 2019 #4

Yes they are DownriverDem May 2019 #72

Yes, I think Trump and his criminals have finally provoked Pelosi PatrickforO May 2019 #98

Well if anything Barr will go down in history as very few AGs have ever been in contempt titaniumsalute May 2019 #15

Eric Holder was MichMary May 2019 #120

As was Janet Reno titaniumsalute May 2019 #122

Shocking. Both Holder and Reno were Dems. susanna May 2019 #183

I think they turn it over to the Attorney General for prosecution :-) patphil May 2019 #33

Congress has a jail cell in the basement and the authority to use it. lagomorph777 May 2019 #35

It actually was supposed to be Washington's tomb... backscatter712 May 2019 #55

If you want my opinion, they should send the Sergeant at Arms to go get him. backscatter712 May 2019 #50

Sargent of Arms DownriverDem May 2019 #71

I was a Sergeant in the Marines! SCVDem May 2019 #104

I stood Shore Partrol Several Times in the Navy INdemo May 2019 #109

Don't cabinet member have their own security detail. Flaleftist May 2019 #118

Why do you suppose House Republicans never took that tack? tritsofme May 2019 #158

See... PoliticAverse May 2019 #90

Pay Wall... ut oh May 2019 #156

Just disable adblock for washingtonpost.com. But... PoliticAverse May 2019 #157

Nothing. They said last night it would wither away Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #178

Not until Wednesday! I'm so tired of these stupid delays! Why two more damn days? manor321 May 2019 #3

Trial balloon and keeping it in the news bitterross May 2019 #8

Do you mean Corporate Media telling the public how to feel rainy May 2019 #66

Aka the Department of Jokes. CentralMass May 2019 #69

Yeah, this is dramatic enough. forgotmylogin May 2019 #73

Im tired of caring what the right wing will do. We arent the party of reaction we are Chin music May 2019 #162

For the courts and the history books? NurseJackie May 2019 #11

Yes, it will collapse in court without a "good faith effort" to compromise Maru Kitteh May 2019 #113

They want to be seen as giving the other side as much chance as possible to cooperate, it will yaesu May 2019 #26

Fuck that bullshit. I'm tired of playing nice.... nt Hotler May 2019 #102

Me too but its not about playing nice, its about not giving the fascist Supreme court any more yaesu May 2019 #105

You kid yourself if you think the SC will back us anyway. Especially gorsuch and kavanaugh. Chin music May 2019 #171

+Infinity. I'm so tired of this bullshit ecstatic May 2019 #197

I think they must be looking at accommodations. There is a penalty for being held in contempt. Texin May 2019 #47

What penalty did Eric Holder pay? dumbcat May 2019 #76

They have to vote on it n/t malaise May 2019 #114

Im w you. Big dang groan. Why not today? What are they waiting for? Chin music May 2019 #117

With a sternly worded letter! gordianot May 2019 #5

I haven't seen the letter, just breaking news. MoonRiver May 2019 #7

Being snarky but there will be a vote today. gordianot May 2019 #121

How did holding Eric Holder in Contempt work out? NewJeffCT May 2019 #6

The Justice Department's Inspector General later cleared Holder of any wrongdoing. ehrnst May 2019 #20

It is the Barr/Trump DoJ now NewJeffCT May 2019 #63

Dems still have much more of a case against Barr. They aren't just posturing. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #70

The Justice Department is a unit of the executive branch not Congress. n/t PoliticAverse May 2019 #95

I was talking about the contempt charge brought by Congress. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #96

Congress has no power to bring criminal charges, only the DOJ...headed by Barr. tritsofme May 2019 #159

Congress can actually hold trials and jail people for "inherent contempt"... PoliticAverse May 2019 #161

Yes, they can. However no one has used it for nearly 100 years. tritsofme May 2019 #167

This will turn out the same way, despite what others may think. hughee99 May 2019 #57

what do you propose they do then? qazplm135 May 2019 #78

Impeachment means NewJeffCT May 2019 #82

how so qazplm135 May 2019 #91

It wont, but the judicial branch holds impeachment proceedings like grand juries so congress ... uponit7771 May 2019 #100

Any holdups by Exec Branch NewJeffCT May 2019 #110

and if they refuse? qazplm135 May 2019 #112

Strongly worded letters, impeach Barr ... then get all the records and let America know about Red Do uponit7771 May 2019 #115

What do you suggest they do? EffieBlack May 2019 #124

Commence same impeachment ...PROCESS...*started* for Nixon get GJ level access to docs and witness's uponit7771 May 2019 #132

What process do you propose the Dems in an impeachment proceeding use StarfishSaver May 2019 #163

Don't impeach, again ... when party A impeaches party B suffers uponit7771 May 2019 #180

That doesn't answer my question StarfishSaver May 2019 #184

I don't understand the question then, sounds like your asking what can they get during ... uponit7771 May 2019 #186

Thanks StarfishSaver May 2019 #187

Is your position impeachment confers nothing outside of what they can do n!? Question not rhetorical uponit7771 May 2019 #188

My position is StarfishSaver May 2019 #190

Hmmm, I'm thinking time is lost because the court process could take years that's what people ... uponit7771 May 2019 #192

Neither U.S. v. Nixon nor Clinton v. Jones were part of the team in impeachment process StarfishSaver May 2019 #193

Acquittal by Senate is expected, the expectation is to expose Trump before the election. The party.. uponit7771 May 2019 #194

Memories are very short StarfishSaver May 2019 #195

Hmmmm, that's the thing ... an impeachment inquiry most likely wont wrap up in months because uponit7771 May 2019 #198

I don't think he'll string out an impeachment inquiry, especially if it starts soon StarfishSaver May 2019 #199

They can go through impeachment inquiry and not move to impeach or send to senate for ... uponit7771 May 2019 #200

Yes, timing is everything. StarfishSaver May 2019 #201

Your's is the most compelling case I've read for no impeachment now, should be it's on OP uponit7771 May 2019 #202

I appreciate that StarfishSaver May 2019 #203

They will not give up the documents and records just like they won't now. gldstwmn May 2019 #136

We'll get more than what we got and then courts outside of house can hold members in contempt with uponit7771 May 2019 #181

It's the courts ordering fines and jail sentences NewJeffCT May 2019 #129

which have to be effectuated by which branch? qazplm135 May 2019 #130

They will ignore that as well. gldstwmn May 2019 #135

Holder and Reno were not gldstwmn May 2019 #139

fuck yeah yuiyoshida May 2019 #9

and so what? vlyons May 2019 #10

Which consequences do you suggest? NurseJackie May 2019 #12

Arrest and jail him vlyons May 2019 #14

It won't happen to a cabinet member. Any other ideas? NurseJackie May 2019 #16

If you want to give Trump and the GOP a whole lot of ammuntion, sure. ehrnst May 2019 #21

That same perp-walk video will energize Dems. And there are twice as many of us as them. lagomorph777 May 2019 #37

You really think Democrats need energizing so much that they need red meat that might ehrnst May 2019 #40

Actually, yes I do think some of us need energizing. Many are discouraged or voter-suppressed. lagomorph777 May 2019 #43

A perp walk will not undo voter suppression laws. ehrnst May 2019 #52

Not all voter suppression is "hard" suppression - they just make it more difficult to vote. lagomorph777 May 2019 #77

You mean like they were in 2018? But what evidence do you have that your view ehrnst May 2019 #85

There's another intangible here, too. calimary May 2019 #108

+1 We can't let Nervous Nellies in our own ranks discourage us from firm action. lagomorph777 May 2019 #111

I agree with you lagomorph, not a game.... saidsimplesimon May 2019 #128

"Nervous Nellies?" Who are you talking about? (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #140

Anybody who wants to roll over and play dead; anybody who says lack of the vote count is a reason to lagomorph777 May 2019 #143

Can you be specific? Because I have no idea who you're talking about. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #145

I'm glad to hear you haven't encountered anybody like that. lagomorph777 May 2019 #148

Too bad you can't name anyone like that you've "encountered." ehrnst May 2019 #152

I think most folks here can read. lagomorph777 May 2019 #155

Takes courage to back up your accusations. ehrnst May 2019 #169

I'm not looking to break any DU rules. lagomorph777 May 2019 #173

You're not seeing decisive and serious action? Really? ehrnst May 2019 #141

I must have missed it. Who did we arrest? Who did we hold in contempt? lagomorph777 May 2019 #146

Oh, because no one is in cuffs, Democratic leaders are "nervous nellies?" ehrnst May 2019 #150

When faced with a bully the worst thing you can do is be afraid. gldstwmn May 2019 #138

I don't see fear in our ranks. Nancy Pelosi is a badass. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #142

Then they should not be afraid of the GOP or what the GOP gldstwmn May 2019 #144

What makes you think that they might be? (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #147

Your post stating the GOP will use impeachment gldstwmn May 2019 #149

Not me. I said that they could use a perp walk against us. ehrnst May 2019 #154

I think a good perp walk is just what the doctor ordered. gldstwmn May 2019 #165

For you perhaps, but I will trust Pelosi on this. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #168

I hope it all works out. gldstwmn May 2019 #172

Agreed. What we do and how we do it is crucial. charlyvi May 2019 #160

The House has no arrest powers. RandySF May 2019 #56

Yes they do. The Sergeant at Arms heads the Capitol Police. backscatter712 May 2019 #61

How exactly should they go about "going to get him". EffieBlack May 2019 #125

They send one or more uniformed police officers to arrest him. backscatter712 May 2019 #166

It most certainly does. PoliticAverse May 2019 #164

Is there legal authority for that? treestar May 2019 #62

Something extraordinary is going to have to occur. gldstwmn May 2019 #137

Confinement until compliance. Mr.Bill May 2019 #22

He's a member of the cabinet. It won't happen. What else do you suggest? NurseJackie May 2019 #36

Sorry - I couldn't find a special exemption in the Constitution for the President's cronies. lagomorph777 May 2019 #38

Yes, and feed right into the GOP narrative that there is a coup going on. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #41

The Russiapublicans make up any narrative they want; doesn't matter what we do. lagomorph777 May 2019 #48

What evidence do you have that Democrats need "energizing?" ehrnst May 2019 #53

This musicblind May 2019 #182

"This" what? (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #185

I live in the real world. What you're suggesting is a fantasy. It won't happen. NurseJackie May 2019 #49

Thank you. I'm grateful that those making these decisions are much cooler heads. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #68

About the only other thing I can think of Mr.Bill May 2019 #81

That's a good start. I'm interested in seeing him disbarred and I'd like to learn more... NurseJackie May 2019 #86

Well, he could be charged with perjury. n/t Mr.Bill May 2019 #87

Vlyons already said "jail time" at140 May 2019 #75

It's a fantasy with long-term real-world costs that exceed the immediate emotional satisfaction. NurseJackie May 2019 #84

So, do you think that they shouldn't have done this? That it was pointless? ehrnst May 2019 #19

and it will be fought all the way to the Supreme court but at least they are doing something, yaesu May 2019 #31

They can also issue fines DeminPennswoods May 2019 #44

i like the idea of fines..LOTS of them.. and watch trump say he will pay.. then wont. samnsara May 2019 #74

AG contempt and obstruction of justice is more kindling on the eventual impeachment fire (n/t) forgotmylogin May 2019 #80

Right. I see this as Congress "building a case" against Trump until he withers and leaves office. CTyankee May 2019 #131

you'e right and limbaugh will be there to help barr wear it as a badge of honor certainot May 2019 #103

Republicans attempted this with AG Holder and nothing came of it inwiththenew May 2019 #13

I think this case is much more solid. Holder was later cleared of wrongdoing. ehrnst May 2019 #24

You've said that a couple times here... but what's the basis for it? FBaggins May 2019 #88

I'm talking about the case that the GOP had against Holder for contempt. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #89

So was I (nt) FBaggins May 2019 #94

Good. At LEAST make an attempt to uphold the law. nt Honeycombe8 May 2019 #17

Then what? Jail threat to force expedited court intervention. Pepsidog May 2019 #18

Disbarment, impeachment. Trump would LOVE footage of Barr being handcuffed ehrnst May 2019 #27

Right On! Pepsidog May 2019 #119

Contemp order may be first step toward Barr's impeachment. infullview May 2019 #23

They're Not Going To Have Him Arrested Though... global1 May 2019 #25

Has to be personal funds. And it may be grounds for disbarrment. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #28

Disbarment would have teeth for him treestar May 2019 #64

There is no constitutional requirement for the AG to be a lawyer. Just appointed by POTUS. ehrnst May 2019 #67

and where does it go? samnsara May 2019 #32

The US Government, just like the Manafort and Cohen fines and payments. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #45

The fine will be paid by his boss. lagomorph777 May 2019 #39

If that can be shown, it will be used in court. (nt) ehrnst May 2019 #42

Barr was brought into stop the Mueller investigation and to help cover up the biggest crime in ... Botany May 2019 #29

sigh well NOW baby sussex is on cnn ( which is fine with me!) samnsara May 2019 #30

bout time. I have held him in contempt for years still_one May 2019 #34

If 220 Democrats support the Contempt citation Ponietz May 2019 #46

Excellent point. (nt) klook May 2019 #54

hot damn! nt Javaman May 2019 #51

They will vote on it on Wednesday DesertRat May 2019 #58

Yep, not a done deal yet. Duppers May 2019 #79

They can hold him in contempt until the cows come home, but he cannot be alllowed to remain at DOJ. Texin May 2019 #59

I think Nader waited this long... nycbos May 2019 #60

Yep. "Exhaustion of remedies" CaptainTruth May 2019 #106

50+ posts and nobody has pointed out that the OP isn't correct? FBaggins May 2019 #65

I corrected the OP. MoonRiver May 2019 #99

It sounds like you're describing inherent contempt as opposed to civil contempt. CaptainTruth May 2019 #107

In order for "The House" to do anything - requires a vote of the full House FBaggins May 2019 #126

Excellent. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #83

Finally LibFarmer May 2019 #92

Inherent contempt or civil contempt? CaptainTruth May 2019 #93

This is bullshit, why not do it right this minute? instead of playing reality TV shitshit with it Snake Plissken May 2019 #97

Because they would like to actually win the issue... rather than just playing games FBaggins May 2019 #101

We either have a democracy or we don't spanone May 2019 #116

Yes, exactly MoonRiver May 2019 #127

What, if anything, can the Senate do about it rocktivity May 2019 #123

So, now Barr is a criminal......Lock him up!!!!! W T F May 2019 #133

Great now what? gldstwmn May 2019 #134

I've los all hope itcfish May 2019 #151

Good, they've done it to at least 2 of our recent AGs. nt MadDAsHell May 2019 #153

The Latest: Justice Department proposes Nadler talks PoliticAverse May 2019 #170

The Trumpers are just stalling. Hope the judiciary committee doesn't fall for it. nt SunSeeker May 2019 #174

yay! johannsyah May 2019 #175

kick Barr's ass on this... BlueJac May 2019 #176

Why is Nadler demanding something that is against Federal law to turn over? Alea May 2019 #177

It's not against federal law. StarfishSaver May 2019 #179

Thank you StarfishSaver for the reply Alea May 2019 #189

Definitely don't let Trump stress cost you grades StarfishSaver May 2019 #191

Great, if jail time and/or a 100k fine is involved. ecstatic May 2019 #196