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The Velveteen Ocelot

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42. The investigations leading to the SDNY prosecutions were done by the FBI

Fri Mar 29, 2019, 01:34 PM

Mar 2019

in the first place, not the other way around. That's what the FBI does; they're the cops, and they collect and turn their evidence over to prosecutors who decide whether to present the evidence to a grand jury. If the grand jury returns an indictment, the FBI (or other law enforcement with jurisdiction) arrests the target and prosecutors charge him. SDNY is simply the division of the federal court system for the area that includes Manhattan, and it employs a group of prosecutors who always work with the FBI. SDNY is notoriously independent and is likely to vigorously prosecute whatever crimes for which it has obtained evidence.

The state court system in New York, which is separate from and independent from the federal system, is divided into counties, as in most states. The New York County District Attorney is the elected district attorney for New York County (Manhattan), New York. The Manhattan DA is looking at various financial crimes - offenses under state law - that may have been committed by Trump, his family and his businesses. The federal government (i.e., Trump, the DoJ or Barr) cannot interfere in any respect with state prosecutions.

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Here's why I suspect Barr deliberately shut Mueller down before he was finished: [View all] The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2019 OP

100% nt Kahuna7 Mar 2019 #1

Serious. Did Barr actually stop the Mueller investigation?? riversedge Mar 2019 #2

I don't know. What I'm saying is that it really seems odd that there are still The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2019 #3

I'd say your right on the money here!! bluestarone Mar 2019 #4

It certainly seems your suggestion is just what occurred. BadgerMom Mar 2019 #33

Well...do you believe it is coincidence? Moostache Mar 2019 #5

Stinks, doesn't it? The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2019 #6

Yuge stink warmfeet Mar 2019 #21

This message was self-deleted by its author The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2019 #7

"Can you help me put this couch in the back? I hurt my arm" Chin music Mar 2019 #9

It puts the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again. Funtatlaguy Mar 2019 #20

SO damn creepy. That van part based on the lawyer who was a mass Chin music Mar 2019 #24

There's a robot chicken for every occasion... robbob Mar 2019 #39

Touche True Blue American Mar 2019 #51

The question is how would we know TheRealNorth Mar 2019 #11

Of course he did Perseus Mar 2019 #26

I do as well. eos. triron Mar 2019 #8

I Agree-This Web is Much Bigger that What We've Seen So Far dlk Mar 2019 #10

I think it would have leaked by now if Barr had directly intervened Azathoth Mar 2019 #12

That's possible, too. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2019 #13

Or until the Barr-Mueller story is fully investigated. empedocles Mar 2019 #14

Well said and thought-through. I agree these are decent possibilities (nt) mr_lebowski Mar 2019 #15

I agree. Karadeniz Mar 2019 #19

Agree. If Mueller is half the man he was made out to be, he would have Hoyt Mar 2019 #25

Pure conjecture. Lots to be suspicious of nevertheless. triron Mar 2019 #36

100 contacts between this mob gang and Russians is a coincidence. Hassler Mar 2019 #16

I've thought this as well Horse with no Name Mar 2019 #17

I agree with your theory lunatica Mar 2019 #18

Thing is, if I was zentrum Mar 2019 #22

Occam's Razor. dchill Mar 2019 #23

Agree 100% also!! ElementaryPenguin Mar 2019 #27

I continue to suspect Barr shut it down for some similar reasons Jarqui Mar 2019 #28

+10000 Pachamama Mar 2019 #29

Per Wikipedia Barr officially assumed his office on February 14th. Golden Raisin Mar 2019 #30

I think you've got it right. n/t defacto7 Mar 2019 #31

Dems better start screaming release the report. WTF! Demand the report. Defund executive branch. Pepsidog Mar 2019 #32

Question?...Who has the complete report? Mueller? Hell he wrote the report. Stuart G Mar 2019 #34

A huge criminal fraud was perpetrated on us this last weekend by Ilsa Mar 2019 #35

Reason #1: Of course he did. (n/t) Iggo Mar 2019 #37

I also suspect there are many more guilty parties heading the GOP. SleeplessinSoCal Mar 2019 #38

Question about state level investigations Victor_c3 Mar 2019 #40

The investigations leading to the SDNY prosecutions were done by the FBI The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2019 #42

Thanks for taking the time for the explanation Victor_c3 Mar 2019 #43

The FBI does not work for the states. JayhawkSD Mar 2019 #49

Also true. States have their own investigators The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2019 #50

I agree, and Sogo Mar 2019 #41

This is what I've been thinking all along. Silver Gaia Mar 2019 #44

There is no indication I have seen that suggests Barr "shut down the Mueller investigation." Nitram Mar 2019 #45

As I stated, I am speculating and I have no direct evidence. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2019 #46

Pretty far fetched, I'd have to say. Let's focus on what we know Barr did. He released a 4-page Nitram Mar 2019 #47

Here's what's not far-fetched. pnwmom Mar 2019 #56

"...a bunch of Russians (who will never be prosecuted here)" JayhawkSD Mar 2019 #48

Which Russians? The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2019 #52

Then I guess we both were in error. JayhawkSD Mar 2019 #53

You predict incorrectly. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2019 #54

You were in error, not the OP. S/he was correct -- a bunch of Russians will never be prosecuted. pnwmom Mar 2019 #57

Talk about playing with words. JayhawkSD Mar 2019 #58

And you claim that I have been playing word games! pnwmom Mar 2019 #59

Thanks for the facts. True Blue American Mar 2019 #55

Let's get Barr for Obstruction of Justice. MasonDreams Mar 2019 #60