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peggysue2

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18. Warren and Harris will take . . .

Mon Jan 28, 2019, 04:19 PM

Jan 2019

modified versions of his positions, refine them and effectively steal Sanders' thunder. This is not 2016; we've seen this picture show before.

Does anyone really think that Bernie Sanders will take the AA vote away from Kamala Harris? I don't care how many outreaches he does belatedly. As for Warren? She's a far better explainer of the Left's position than Sanders can ever dream of being because she's smarter and less the ideologue.

In addition, there will be thorough vetting this time out, as in 10 years worth of tax returns and inconvenient questions about Sanders continued unwillingness to vote for sanctions against Putin's mafia state. And other awkward lines of questioning.

This is not 2016. I predict the glare of 2020 will make short shrift of Bernie Sanders' presidential ambitions.

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‪Bernie may have committed a fatal error by letting Kamala go first.‬ [View all] RandySF Jan 2019 OP

Bernie is NOT A DEMOCRAT! redstatebluegirl Jan 2019 #1

OK... disillusioned73 Jan 2019 #34

Same here leftynyc Jan 2019 #42

I agree with you there NinaNeon Jan 2019 #119

He'll never run leftynyc Jan 2019 #129

Post removed Post removed Jan 2019 #130

Spare me the drama queen BS leftynyc Jan 2019 #133

"The 99% of the people he represents"? He's Senator from Vermont, he represents.... George II Jan 2019 #143

That poster is delusional leftynyc Jan 2019 #144

Clinton did not lose. The election was stolen. MrsCoffee Jan 2019 #136

bernie is NOT A DEMOCRAT!!! if he changes just to run .... that is just opportunistic. trueblue2007 Jan 2019 #49

Bernie IS a Democrat in every way that counts but the label. More democrat than many others onit2day Jan 2019 #105

Thank You! corbettkroehler Jan 2019 #110

He ran in the Democratic Primary for Senator in Vermont. LiberalFighter Jan 2019 #117

For some here, labels are the ONLY thing that matters LiberalLovinLug Jan 2019 #111

Agreed Catch2.2 Jan 2019 #124

Ding! Ding! Ding!... We hava winner!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2019 #128

I disagree. It has to do with building our party strong. Investing in the party. peacefrogman Feb 2019 #153

Actually, the DNC passed a new rule last summer, one of the hughee99 Feb 2019 #160

I like how progressive he is PTWB Feb 2019 #159

The DNC would let him do so should he make that choice. David__77 Jan 2019 #60

That's true. I was perplexed last time: He's not a Democrat. So WTH? Honeycombe8 Jan 2019 #114

I look at policy not party Catch2.2 Jan 2019 #123

Almost forgot... but if Bernie runs in 2020, what else would he do but run as a Democrat?! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2019 #127

"Bernie's not a Democrat!" liberalnarb Jan 2019 #140

It wouldn't have mattered if he'd have gone first NastyRiffraff Jan 2019 #2

The view of Sanders outside of this forum is a different reality. CentralMass Jan 2019 #8

Think what you want. Every Democrat I know thinks he is not a democrat and redstatebluegirl Jan 2019 #57

Honest question here, how did Bernie cause us to lose the last election? Canoe52 Jan 2019 #80

He partially added to the vilification of HRC and the DNC ProudLib72 Jan 2019 #112

He didn't Sherman A1 Jan 2019 #132

He wouldn't concede and encouraged his supporters to protest Kahuna7 Jan 2019 #134

Yes. David__77 Jan 2019 #61

Better he run as a Dem than as an Independent. As a Dem he can be eliminated in the tblue37 Jan 2019 #67

He has stated that he is seeking the nomination for the Democratic party. CentralMass Jan 2019 #71

He was eliminated in the primaries last time, but he still wouldn't go away. LisaM Jan 2019 #76

Same here BlueMTexpat Jan 2019 #118

Yes agreed. Doremus Jan 2019 #66

Outside this forum is much harsher towards him. We R B Garr Jan 2019 #84

So many republicans have told me they would vote for Bernie so maybe they will Kamala also onit2day Jan 2019 #106

+ a million liberalnarb Jan 2019 #141

Very true. joshcryer Jan 2019 #72

Another fatal error: Dodging release of tax returns. nt oasis Jan 2019 #3

I preferred HRC but I have always liked Bernie. The tax return thing does bother me. It basically dameatball Jan 2019 #17

Release taxes, problem solved. nt oasis Jan 2019 #31

It doesn't bother you that he doesn't seem to want anyone to see his tax returns? EffieBlack Jan 2019 #33

Of course it does, that is a given, but that is just part of the equation. The point I was making is dameatball Jan 2019 #46

"The tax return thing does bother me." - dameatball nt. Mariana Jan 2019 #53

Yes, it bothers me True Blue American Jan 2019 #115

I thought Andy823 Jan 2019 #27

It should be entirely voluntary. If you've something to hide oasis Jan 2019 #30

Why should it be voluntary? It could be a requirement to run as a DEMOCRAT. pnwmom Jan 2019 #32

Exactly! Andy823 Jan 2019 #38

I'm very much pro-tax release for all presidential candidates. oasis Jan 2019 #44

He might have Russian ties too. Why didn't he show up for the votes regarding sanctions? helpisontheway Jan 2019 #48

What the hell is "the hard core left"? Also "Russian connections? Please onit2day Jan 2019 #101

Another fatal error: Bernie's #MeToo problem. Women being harrassed trueblue2007 Jan 2019 #51

Kamala had an assistant with that issue, too. Liberty Belle Jan 2019 #55

If Senator Harris corrected the issue as soon as it came to her, they are not the same. Blue_true Jan 2019 #87

Exactly. One person is not the same as a pervasive campaign R B Garr Jan 2019 #85

nah his bots will activate soon as he is officially in. nt msongs Jan 2019 #4

Haven't they already? NT Tribalceltic Jan 2019 #77

All of Bernie's supporters weren't bots. n/t Still In Wisconsin Jan 2019 #98

That's a divisive demeaning description used by Bernie haters to attack onit2day Jan 2019 #104

Warren will take more from his base than Harris Bradshaw3 Jan 2019 #5

Spot on BeyondGeography Jan 2019 #7

Yes it is Bradshaw3 Jan 2019 #40

Warren actually has accomplishments dansolo Jan 2019 #62

They had a meeting before she announced. dogman Jan 2019 #54

I think that is some good insight Bradshaw3 Jan 2019 #86

Not his first LongtimeAZDem Jan 2019 #6

Another fatal error: voting against Russia sanctions and Magnitsky Act RockRaven Jan 2019 #9

Bernie said he ran in 2016 to provide a "progressive" alternative Renew Deal Jan 2019 #10

+1 JHB Jan 2019 #14

And this time... Adrahil Jan 2019 #16

We figured out pretty quickly that he's his favorite person Renew Deal Jan 2019 #25

Yup. NT Adrahil Jan 2019 #56

Ouch. sheshe2 Jan 2019 #78

Bernie moves the goal posts to where they are convenient. Blue_true Jan 2019 #88

True, blue. sheshe2 Jan 2019 #89

It will make no difference Nonhlanhla Jan 2019 #11

"Let" her? I doubt she asked his permission. Also, one of them is not a Democrat. Hekate Jan 2019 #12

I think there are a few other fatal errors that loom larger JHB Jan 2019 #13

Yep Andy823 Jan 2019 #28

She's running on his platform? Really? comradebillyboy Jan 2019 #15

Kamela Harris is RUNNING ON HER OWN PLATFORM. She didn't "borrow" it from anyone. trueblue2007 Jan 2019 #52

Thank you, that's what I thought but comradebillyboy Jan 2019 #74

It is the Democratic platform. murielm99 Jan 2019 #100

Bernie invented progressive taxation... LuvLoogie Jan 2019 #75

Warren and Harris will take . . . peggysue2 Jan 2019 #18

I caucused for Bernie in 2016 but I wouldn't do it again. CrispyQ Jan 2019 #19

it makes no difference. he will not win the nomination even if she dropped out tomorrow JI7 Jan 2019 #20

Bernie's fatal error was not remaining a member of the Democratic party after losing in 2016...nt SidDithers Jan 2019 #21

+1 honest.abe Jan 2019 #37

+ 2! True Blue American Jan 2019 #116

+ another 1, 2, and throw in a coupla million more! calimary Jan 2019 #121

I don't think Bernie will have the traction this time. TDale313 Jan 2019 #22

Will Someone Please Let Me Know When Bernie Sanders Becomes a Democrat? MineralMan Jan 2019 #23

What makes you think everyone who voted for him in 2016 will vote him again? wasupaloopa Jan 2019 #24

I already see fatal flaws on Harris. The Truth Is Here Jan 2019 #26

Good thing Andy823 Jan 2019 #29

Welcome to DU...nt SidDithers Jan 2019 #50

Do tell Hekate Jan 2019 #64

"I'll keep this to myself" "I have nothing of substance... LanternWaste Jan 2019 #69

Sounds that way. nt Blue_true Jan 2019 #90

hahahaha obamanut2012 Jan 2019 #70

Oh noes! LuvLoogie Jan 2019 #79

Aaah. sheshe2 Jan 2019 #83

"I'll keep this to myself" stonecutter357 Jan 2019 #103

So the Russian bots and trolls tell us Maru Kitteh Jan 2019 #108

Whats your concern, shouldn't we get to know about a fatal flaw/s? marble falls Jan 2019 #137

The Truth Is Not Here betsuni Jan 2019 #142

Oh im here. She already made a mistake this week. The Truth Is Here Feb 2019 #157

I kind of wish the truth was way, way, way over there. Squinch Feb 2019 #156

I would be happy with Harris or Bernie as the nominee ZeroSomeBrains Jan 2019 #35

No way TheFarseer Jan 2019 #36

Who cares?!?! Bernie is not a Democrat apnu Jan 2019 #39

Bernie needs to come clean as a sincere Democrat or forget about him. honest.abe Jan 2019 #41

Bernie's time has come and gone Apollyonus Jan 2019 #43

NottaDemocrat needs do his job in the senate. we can do it Jan 2019 #45

I don't think... Mike Nelson Jan 2019 #47

lol shanny Jan 2019 #58

Who cares? If Bernie isn't your candidate why worry about it? jalan48 Jan 2019 #59

Our Democratic platform is NOT Sanders' platform. Hortensis Jan 2019 #63

Well said! ++good comradebillyboy Jan 2019 #107

No, not just the hard core left. lark Jan 2019 #65

If he runs, he runs. But with a number of progressives already running, his time is soon up. LanternWaste Jan 2019 #68

I only support DEMOCRATS! NurseJackie Jan 2019 #73

Platform? Warren has his platform, but with more detailed plans sharedvalues Jan 2019 #81

I doubt the timing matters karynnj Jan 2019 #82

Did the boat sail away while Bernie was still campaigning for the last election? randr Jan 2019 #91

"letting her go first" milestogo Jan 2019 #92

No but he didn't get out front RandySF Jan 2019 #94

Sanders commits many Skidmore Jan 2019 #93

Sanders is NOT a Democrat and he doesn't even WANT to be. Texin Jan 2019 #95

He's committed many fatal errors. themaguffin Jan 2019 #96

I donated to, campaigned for, worked for, voted for and all but bled for Bernie Sanders in the last Still In Wisconsin Jan 2019 #97

Kamala adopting "his" platform? murielm99 Jan 2019 #99

OP, Lets hope! n/t OhZone Jan 2019 #102

I Fear You're Right - Sanders/Harris Would Be Ideal Ticket corbettkroehler Jan 2019 #109

Please no non-Democrats! OhZone Jan 2019 #113

Clinton / Sanders would be the true ideal NinaNeon Jan 2019 #120

Your ticket is so wrong. MrsCoffee Jan 2019 #135

I, like a lot of iamthebandfanman Jan 2019 #122

Here's a thought... Catch2.2 Jan 2019 #125

How about you get that message out to Bernie ASAP. MrsCoffee Jan 2019 #139

.....Sigh Catch2.2 Jan 2019 #145

People are going to disagree with you about Bernie. That doesn't make them divisive. MrsCoffee Jan 2019 #146

I never said... Catch2.2 Feb 2019 #148

It's completely possible to be liberal and move forward without supporting Bernie Sanders. MrsCoffee Feb 2019 #149

Constructive Criticism? Catch2.2 Feb 2019 #150

Yes, I know, every criticism of Bernie is bashing. MrsCoffee Feb 2019 #151

Once again... Catch2.2 Feb 2019 #154

Sorry if bringing up the fact that he isn't a Democrat bothers you. MrsCoffee Feb 2019 #155

The issue I have Catch2.2 Feb 2019 #158

Except people have given examples of his policies and leadership style that they don't like. MrsCoffee Feb 2019 #161

Please post a link Catch2.2 Feb 2019 #162

And one last thing... Catch2.2 Feb 2019 #163

One wonders, reading around here, whether we should hold, um, primaries. NNadir Jan 2019 #126

of course there will be a primary. Harris is the first one with a major announcement along with JI7 Jan 2019 #131

Why put her name in quotations? LexVegas Jan 2019 #138

Bernie's fatal errors were in 2016. He will not be a factor in 2020's Year of the Woman. TeamPooka Jan 2019 #147

Well said. MrsCoffee Feb 2019 #152