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Thu Aug 16, 2012, 06:26 PM

Aug 2012

I haven't personally seen anyone call another person an MRA, but I'll take your word for it as I haven't read every post in the thread. I have seen people say they've seen MRA talking points - the same arguments and language you hear from MRAs, and I have to agree with that. My brother is an MRA and calls himself one (he is also a conservative Republican and fan of Rush Limbaugh so obviously not a DUer) and I sometimes see very similar things said here that I only otherwise hear from him, so I associate those statements with MRAs and consider them to be MRA talking points. That doesn't mean I think the person who said those things is an MRA, but I am bothered by seeing what I feel are MRA arguments used here. Or maybe I'm just surprised. It's probably my mistake for assuming all Democrats are pro-feminist.

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Male Privilege [View all] boston bean Aug 2012 OP

I don't think any Western society is that far yet MissHoneychurch Aug 2012 #1

It's easy to say "Western Society" but what about Middle Eastern, African and Asian societies? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #20

agreed. we do have much to offer the world in combating misogyny and inequality. seabeyond Aug 2012 #23

It's a danger on many topics Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #26

this is exactly where i go when i hear that argument. in just about everything in life. seabeyond Aug 2012 #30

I did on purpose wrote "Western Society" MissHoneychurch Aug 2012 #28

I noticed that the pay gap has been mentioned. redqueen Aug 2012 #2

Alerted. hifiguy Aug 2012 #61

Unless you really explained your alert well, chances are it will not be successful stevenleser Aug 2012 #70

a lot of people make sexist comments. that does not make them either sexist or misogynist. bogus seabeyond Aug 2012 #72

apparently, DU community disagrees with you. n/t Scout Aug 2012 #106

Whatever. A lot of pretty nasty things are allowed hifiguy Aug 2012 #107

Red- could you explain what MRA is and what the talking points are Marrah_G Aug 2012 #134

MRA = Mens Rights Advocacy (or something like that) ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2012 #144

thanks Marrah_G Aug 2012 #162

Not a problem ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2012 #167

Oh so very well said. redqueen Aug 2012 #174

Here's an expanded explanation of what's involved Major Nikon Aug 2012 #222

The "wage gap" articles repetitiously posted here are partly fraudulent themselves, and HiPointDem Aug 2012 #297

Fraudulent? redqueen Aug 2012 #304

yes, it's fraudulent to trumpet claims that there's a !!!28%!!! wage gap (or whatever the big HiPointDem Aug 2012 #316

Ah, but you see.... opiate69 Aug 2012 #306

If you deny the Patriarchy, as an organized conspiracy by all men against all women, exists 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #370

I didn't vote because I disagree with the idea of the poll davidpdx Aug 2012 #3

What do you think was the idea of the poll? nt boston bean Aug 2012 #4

I think the poll is limited given the options you gave davidpdx Aug 2012 #5

I was very specific in the question about America. boston bean Aug 2012 #6

Canada is another Country. Whisp Aug 2012 #158

You are, once again, attempting to subscribe words and opinions to me that I did not write and that boston bean Aug 2012 #159

this is what you said: Whisp Aug 2012 #160

Are you calling me a republican? boston bean Aug 2012 #165

but you didn't say that. Whisp Aug 2012 #168

never said what you are stating. boston bean Aug 2012 #173

Apparently what you *meant* to say was ALL other countries. redqueen Aug 2012 #175

wtf are "Confusion countries"? Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #64

As long as government can control Freddie Aug 2012 #7

No. Among other problems, men still have overwhelming institutional control. MadrasT Aug 2012 #8

Castration is also a method of birth control. aquart Aug 2012 #49

it would be like me not owning "white privilege" which i think is pretty damn clear and evident seabeyond Aug 2012 #9

I voted No because obviously there is discrimination against females slackmaster Aug 2012 #10

Do you think women want to "knock down" men? boston bean Aug 2012 #11

When someone uses a term like "privilege" in a pejorative manner, it sounds so to me slackmaster Aug 2012 #13

It is not being used in a perjorative manner. boston bean Aug 2012 #16

The issue is basic human rights slackmaster Aug 2012 #25

So you would have had no objection to my post had I written boston bean Aug 2012 #40

That's correct, because though you may not have intended it that way, I read privilege as pejorative slackmaster Aug 2012 #71

As to your last statement, it was you who ascribed that meaning to male privilege. boston bean Aug 2012 #75

We are in complete agreement that inequality exists and that it's a major problem slackmaster Aug 2012 #104

ok. I think the word I chose was fitting and fine. boston bean Aug 2012 #109

you really do not have much of a choice. you did not "create" male/white privilege. it is well seabeyond Aug 2012 #110

examples of male privilege to better understand. example of white privilege, too. seabeyond Aug 2012 #12

Outstanding list and post! Thanks :-) Care Acutely Aug 2012 #18

it helps to read them, then it is easier to say.... ya, i see. not about an individual life seabeyond Aug 2012 #36

White privilege is real. Male privilege is not. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #89

we would have to disagree on the male privilege and agree on the white privilege. nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #90

I have to disagree with this. dawg Aug 2012 #181

It is absolutely true that poor women, women of color and lesbians suffer all the same problems... lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #195

I think we can cordially agree to disagree here. dawg Aug 2012 #199

Of course. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #202

You're talking about illegal discrimination Major Nikon Aug 2012 #223

Regardless of legal status, the effect on people's lives is the same. dawg Aug 2012 #226

Those are two separate issues Major Nikon Aug 2012 #229

Do you think there are valid sociological reasons for all unequal outcomes ... dawg Aug 2012 #235

No, I don't Major Nikon Aug 2012 #236

I think what you just articulated is a reasonable and thoughtful opinion. dawg Aug 2012 #238

You agree that pointing out that the effort to minimize the fact that women are paid less redqueen Aug 2012 #241

No, of course not. dawg Aug 2012 #257

Ah, ok, that makes sense. redqueen Aug 2012 #263

If the actual scope of a problem is less than popular reporting or conventional wisdom says... lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #318

Redqueen just demonstrated exactly the bad behavior I was talking about Major Nikon Aug 2012 #324

That is exactly your intent. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #311

Georgia may be one of the better states in this regard Major Nikon Aug 2012 #323

But it was men who made that law! lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #314

#46 nt laundry_queen Aug 2012 #376

Isn't accepting stereotypes as fact fun? joeglow3 Aug 2012 #239

i have heard fluke called a "slut". not edward, dsk, schwarzenegger, gingrich seabeyond Aug 2012 #242

Wow. You should try to get this study of yours published. joeglow3 Aug 2012 #247

lol lol. regardless of reality presented to us daily, it does not meet your objective. got it. seabeyond Aug 2012 #249

I believe it exists, but things like this raise an eyebrow joeglow3 Aug 2012 #258

then you are not living in the real world. do your own observation with your eyes wide open now seabeyond Aug 2012 #259

Do all the women and girls who are constantly insulted as sluts and whores online, redqueen Aug 2012 #267

it isnt just on line. here alone we will hear comments about women we do not like seabeyond Aug 2012 #269

So, since I see more CFNM porn than stripper porn, can I assume men are the victim? joeglow3 Aug 2012 #287

Yeah.. nobody ever called John Edwards bad names... opiate69 Aug 2012 #250

Seriously? Edwards has been hammered at great length hifiguy Aug 2012 #290

not just on this site, but specifically by HER!! opiate69 Aug 2012 #291

To some around here we would be the bad guys hifiguy Aug 2012 #300

This study is about a subset of the general population, college students. MadrasT Aug 2012 #244

True, but I would argue this is also the biggest playground joeglow3 Aug 2012 #248

You realize a good chunk of that list is entirely subjective 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #369

No (nt) bigwillq Aug 2012 #14

Who has more "privilege?" 99Forever Aug 2012 #15

The division is not in pointing out the privilege, the division is that it exists. nt boston bean Aug 2012 #17

Cue the Democratic Circular Firing Squad. 99Forever Aug 2012 #22

The President of the United States is black, sufrommich Aug 2012 #19

Coming from a someone who I assume, due to their screen name, boston bean Aug 2012 #21

Why can't class be examined head on? Is it to maintain the myth in your last sentence? Romulox Aug 2012 #27

Are you speaking of the wives? boston bean Aug 2012 #29

I'm speaking of the 50% of the ruling class that is female. We can't pretend them away. Romulox Aug 2012 #31

And the way sex and class intersect, no? boston bean Aug 2012 #35

I'm no longer sure to what I'm being asked to agree. I think class privilege is rarely examined, Romulox Aug 2012 #38

at 13 she had a nation diss her looks for her worth, that you would not have had with a boy. seabeyond Aug 2012 #39

That doesn't negate anything I just posted. Some bad stuff happened to her, AND she inherited Romulox Aug 2012 #42

my post was showing that i obviously was not negating a single thing you were saying. seabeyond Aug 2012 #47

If this is the part where you start disagreeing with things I haven't said, I'm out. nt Romulox Aug 2012 #60

Some bad stuff happened to her, AND she inherited seabeyond Aug 2012 #68

you have already stated that intersections with class have a bearing. boston bean Aug 2012 #50

No, I wouldn't agree that Bill Clinton is "more privileged"; Hillary is Secretary of State of the US Romulox Aug 2012 #58

I couldn't disagree more. Her life history proves it. boston bean Aug 2012 #62

because class privilege exists does not mean male privilege does not exist as well. boston bean Aug 2012 #44

I don't think both can be true though--either CLASS is the dominant privilege, or GENDER is... Romulox Aug 2012 #51

i think the black community would disagree. especially black women. seabeyond Aug 2012 #53

Black men have some of the highest unemployment, highest incarceration, young adult mortality, Romulox Aug 2012 #55

wow. ok. nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #56

Black women live longer, suffer less violence, and are more likely to go to college than black men. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #103

We disagree. I do not believe that either is dominant. boston bean Aug 2012 #54

I was hoping to disagree after a vigorous discussion of the matter, but I accept your position. nt Romulox Aug 2012 #57

Privilege based on economic class has an infinitely greater effect hifiguy Aug 2012 #67

says a man, lol. thanks for letting us know this. damn, now we can sit down and shut up. seabeyond Aug 2012 #69

Where did I tell anyone to shut up? hifiguy Aug 2012 #78

You do not get to decide which "destructive privilege" which affects them more. boston bean Aug 2012 #79

A staggeringly imperceptive statement. hifiguy Aug 2012 #84

You are not hearing what I said. You do not get to decide for people which boston bean Aug 2012 #88

of course she can`t... opiate69 Aug 2012 #92

ah. cause jumping in with a post of insults it what you define as "intellectual"? seabeyond Aug 2012 #95

Well.....I would love to jump in and debate, but.... opiate69 Aug 2012 #100

what does that have to do what i posted or what i addressed about your post of insults? nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #101

insults? nah... just satire! opiate69 Aug 2012 #105

ah. now playing games is showing off your "intellectual" ability. gotcha. nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #108

just follwing my new favorite motto. opiate69 Aug 2012 #111

wow. more insults to make your point. i guess you continue to make mine. seabeyond Aug 2012 #114

sure it is refutable, if you are a woman. to a man, nope, not refutable at all. and how did you seabeyond Aug 2012 #80

There are none so blind as those who will not see. hifiguy Aug 2012 #86

you got that dude. nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #87

Privilege based of economic class, heredity privilege is huge Marrah_G Aug 2012 #149

I cannot disagree with anything you are saying there. hifiguy Aug 2012 #151

Thanks- I didn't always get that though Marrah_G Aug 2012 #161

I think that it is incorrect to say that 50% of the ruling class is female Nikia Aug 2012 #146

I'm NOT making an "argument." 99Forever Aug 2012 #33

Your issue not with women, or women fighting for more equal rights. boston bean Aug 2012 #41

Your framing is offensive. Period. 99Forever Aug 2012 #43

I'm sorry you feel that way. I didn't mean to be offensive. boston bean Aug 2012 #45

"Women seeking equality is not harming or dividing anyone, period." redqueen Aug 2012 #66

where's that anti-feminist bingo card thingy when you need it? Scout Aug 2012 #115

That's not what Betty Friedan had to say about it Major Nikon Aug 2012 #209

basically you are fighting that women cannot bring up discriminatory issues cause they offend you. seabeyond Aug 2012 #48

Bullshit. 99Forever Aug 2012 #73

bah hahahaha. lol. seabeyond Aug 2012 #74

I can't help but laugh... Scootaloo Aug 2012 #303

you do not comprehend what male privilege is. Period. Scout Aug 2012 #113

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omfg seabeyond Aug 2012 #156

A perfect example of arrogance. 99Forever Aug 2012 #166

fightng for "more equal" rights? lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #118

cute. My grammar might have been off. boston bean Aug 2012 #128

It's not just the grammar. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #176

I am not here to convince you of something of something, because you already hold a very strong boston bean Aug 2012 #177

it's hard for men, but for women, on average, things are even harder CreekDog Aug 2012 #180

The poverty rate for men and women is 18/20% 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #374

He overcame a lot of barriers. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #91

look at the topic from an objective perspective allowing for a large sampling... LanternWaste Aug 2012 #46

Ann Romney or Mitt Romney? aquart Aug 2012 #52

Either or. 99Forever Aug 2012 #77

It exists and people discussing it, is not whining. boston bean Aug 2012 #82

You raise an interesting question KansDem Aug 2012 #93

yes. violence of any kind should be addressed in gender neutrality. it is not hard to call out seabeyond Aug 2012 #97

Agreed. KansDem Aug 2012 #119

yes... lets call all that out. i know i do often. did the other day with three teens sittin at seabeyond Aug 2012 #124

Off the subject entirely, Codeine Aug 2012 #210

Thank you! KansDem Aug 2012 #234

That is not what privilege means in this case Marrah_G Aug 2012 #129

You're looking at it from the wrong angle LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #340

You're right that it's just another way to keep us divided. seabeyond Aug 2012 #342

I don't think it's quite that simple LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #343

Brava!! That is one of the very finest posts I have ever read hifiguy Aug 2012 #347

Bullseye. rrneck Aug 2012 #351

So many of those are artificially created and manipulated too LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #353

Male privilege exists in primate groups. It has nothing to do with 'ruling classes'. redqueen Aug 2012 #355

You're kidding, right? LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #356

Yeah, cause primates don't learn from other primates. redqueen Aug 2012 #358

Aaaaaaand now we're back to learned LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #360

Did you somehow get the impression I was disagreeing that it was learned? redqueen Aug 2012 #361

Yep, and that was exactly what you did LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #363

It does keep A class in power. Not 'classes'. redqueen Aug 2012 #364

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In modern eras there have been more than one type of ruling class LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #367

Ruling classes assert privilege. That's how they rule. nt rrneck Aug 2012 #357

It's difficult .... Ben_Caxton Aug 2012 #24

I think you are correct, but does that make it not true? boston bean Aug 2012 #34

Yeah... Upton Aug 2012 #32

You mean the men who lived in such a patriarchal society OriginalGeek Aug 2012 #63

Okay.. Upton Aug 2012 #76

Come on man OriginalGeek Aug 2012 #81

The last draft was in 1972 LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #359

One (two, actually) Quantess Aug 2012 #37

No, but if you can show me one modern society that has hifiguy Aug 2012 #59

If anyone on the Rmoney /Lyan ticket was a woman ecstatic Aug 2012 #65

Women are 54% of voters. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #94

I'm saying, the R&R team is unqualified, but ecstatic Aug 2012 #192

That's been proven. Lots of unqualified men have been president. Ermmm Bush.... boston bean Aug 2012 #216

Equal opportunity does not mean equal outcome Major Nikon Aug 2012 #224

Since the purpose of this poll was to harvest names for your ignore list, count me as a "yes". lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #83

I don't have anyone on ignore... boston bean Aug 2012 #85

You just host a group that immediately banishes anyone who disagrees 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #372

That is not the case. boston bean Aug 2012 #375

It it exactly the case 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #377

I didn't read your response, except the subject line, which is false. boston bean Aug 2012 #378

Reading isn't a four letter word 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #379

Shoot me a DU Mail. Give it a shot. boston bean Aug 2012 #380

Er, no 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #381

Ok, then. I hope you could move on, since you have no interest. boston bean Aug 2012 #382

That crossed my mind also.. Upton Aug 2012 #98

Not voting Marrah_G Aug 2012 #96

actually, there have been quite a few comments made that male privilege and patriarchy does not seabeyond Aug 2012 #99

Yes and everyone knows who they are and they are challenged all the time Marrah_G Aug 2012 #112

I didn't think that I yelled at anyone. I wanted the communities opinion on a subject. boston bean Aug 2012 #116

Believe it or not, we are on the same side Marrah_G Aug 2012 #123

I can't control what others do. I don't even want to try. boston bean Aug 2012 #125

Well okay- your poll got the results you wanted then Marrah_G Aug 2012 #130

Yep, I did. Hopefully more will give a vote. The day is still early! boston bean Aug 2012 #137

i am hearing a lot of discussion. as a matter of fact, i needed clarification on a point seabeyond Aug 2012 #117

I think one big thing would be... Marrah_G Aug 2012 #120

maybe. seabeyond Aug 2012 #139

Maybe you could suggest it in hof Marrah_G Aug 2012 #141

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Aug 2012 #102

What was the point of asking a rhetorical question? CabCurious Aug 2012 #122

To take a poll and get peoples opinions.... nt boston bean Aug 2012 #126

You CARE about the opinion of the trolls who says no? Of course not! lol CabCurious Aug 2012 #131

I have nothing to admit. I wrote a post on DU in the form of a poll and asked a specific question boston bean Aug 2012 #135

actually, when a person disagreed then there was conversation seabeyond Aug 2012 #136

Apparently, there are a few DUers who still believe that there is no Zorra Aug 2012 #132

I know why! To: Quantess Aug 2012 #140

arent you doing 1-4 with your post? nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #143

I posted upthread in support of the OP Quantess Aug 2012 #148

Perhaps, the interest was piqued with those who disagreed. boston bean Aug 2012 #150

i dont feel like i am a part of 1-4. i think i find the topic interesting. i have learned stuff seabeyond Aug 2012 #155

an even more excellent description of male privilege that will help even those that get it, seabeyond Aug 2012 #127

good post! Marrah_G Aug 2012 #133

So..... opiate69 Aug 2012 #183

it really is pretty simple and clear seabeyond Aug 2012 #188

well.... with all due respect to 1strong... opiate69 Aug 2012 #189

omg... more insult. how nasty. it is one thing when being nasty to me, that is fine seabeyond Aug 2012 #191

and yet.... opiate69 Aug 2012 #194

I've tried to stay above the fray, but boston bean Aug 2012 #213

Um....yeah.... opiate69 Aug 2012 #220

That was a nasty comment Marrah_G Aug 2012 #233

Black people live shorter lives than white people 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #373

Side note: When did MRA become acceptable usage around here? AngryAmish Aug 2012 #138

I'm not sure why you are asking me. Did the OP mention MRA? nt boston bean Aug 2012 #147

Oh no, I just saw it in the thread. AngryAmish Aug 2012 #152

How is labeling a style of talking points... redqueen Aug 2012 #187

Would it be fair to label you a "radfem" against your wishes... lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #197

Who did I label an MRA? redqueen Aug 2012 #205

Lets list some of the MRA talking points. I'll start. boston bean Aug 2012 #215

The term MRA? gollygee Aug 2012 #190

Who? lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #198

I don't know about DUers gollygee Aug 2012 #203

The term is not used as an abstraction by posters in this thread. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #204

Oh gollygee Aug 2012 #206

Accusing someone of throwing around "MRA talking points" hifiguy Aug 2012 #293

Stating that the patriarchy is a conspiracy theory is an MRA talking point. boston bean Aug 2012 #295

The very term "the patriachy" implies concerted group effort, hifiguy Aug 2012 #305

That's how you think of the term "the patriarchy"? MadrasT Aug 2012 #310

"Historical patriarchal values" hifiguy Aug 2012 #319

That's good to know. Thank you. MadrasT Aug 2012 #328

De nada. hifiguy Aug 2012 #331

Someone responded in a thread I started with a post from an MRA site gollygee Aug 2012 #301

What's unfortunate is that it's used despite the fact NO ONE here self-identifies as MRA. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #196

bullshit poll question. Whisp Aug 2012 #142

I guess it's not bullshit then. boston bean Aug 2012 #145

I do Whisp Aug 2012 #154

I apologize for upsetting you so, Whisp. Really. Didn't think such a simple question would hit a boston bean Aug 2012 #157

whatever, bb. You are getting your drama fix Whisp Aug 2012 #164

Once again, making accusations that have no basis in reality. boston bean Aug 2012 #169

Just a question... demmiblue Aug 2012 #163

contingent to a certain camp of thinking Whisp Aug 2012 #170

So, the question itself is problematic to you? demmiblue Aug 2012 #171

It's a bullshit poll question because male privilege and female privilege will always exist Major Nikon Aug 2012 #200

if women took over power from men Whisp Aug 2012 #207

Yep. it's always so beneficial to discuss complex issues based on answering either of two black polly7 Aug 2012 #217

You don't believe that the 99% of women and men are equal. boston bean Aug 2012 #230

I believe they face the same challenges, yes. polly7 Aug 2012 #240

Who is talking about any victimhood, besides you? boston bean Aug 2012 #243

+1 MadrasT Aug 2012 #245

Another one that laughed at those who objected to the word fucktoilet. polly7 Aug 2012 #262

you should object, it is offensive. but, one should at least put some effort and honesty seabeyond Aug 2012 #264

You should pay attention. polly7 Aug 2012 #265

when a person is willing to ignore context of what was being said, it is obviously about the battle seabeyond Aug 2012 #270

I understood the context when it was first written ....... polly7 Aug 2012 #273

i have not seen the word used but by your group after that one post. seabeyond Aug 2012 #275

You haven't seen it defended over and over and laughed about? polly7 Aug 2012 #277

when people continue to disregard context and meaning and usage for their outrage seabeyond Aug 2012 #279

Basically, polly7 Aug 2012 #281

Not playing. MadrasT Aug 2012 #288

Not any more .............. anyway polly7 Aug 2012 #325

Your subject line is accurate. MadrasT Aug 2012 #329

It didn't feel good for me at the time. polly7 Aug 2012 #352

Very ell said. nt redqueen Aug 2012 #255

Yeah, from someone who laughed and implied I was like a polly7 Aug 2012 #261

You failed to comprehend. First of all, it IS NOT "my" word. redqueen Aug 2012 #266

No kidding. polly7 Aug 2012 #268

More reading comprehension issues. redqueen Aug 2012 #271

LOL. polly7 Aug 2012 #274

Then quote and link, if you think I'm misrepresenting what I said. redqueen Aug 2012 #282

No, do your own search. polly7 Aug 2012 #283

Typical. nt redqueen Aug 2012 #286

Not really, I usually do supply links polly7 Aug 2012 #307

tl:dr your weak, sad dodge. redqueen Aug 2012 #313

It's all there. polly7 Aug 2012 #315

... opiate69 Aug 2012 #320

what do you think a man is saying about a woman using the term MILF? seabeyond Aug 2012 #272

Fuck MILF. polly7 Aug 2012 #276

you are selective in your outrage. i guess i got my answer. done posting to you, also seabeyond Aug 2012 #278

No, not at all. polly7 Aug 2012 #280

That whole ridiculous "MILF" dustup was what could be called hifiguy Aug 2012 #335

Yes, it was an unfortunate, sad article with a very unfortunately polly7 Aug 2012 #345

Some people are so dogmatic and humor-impaired that hifiguy Aug 2012 #348

Insulting, really? polly7 Aug 2012 #260

Polly, I do. The difference between me and you boston bean Aug 2012 #289

I don't see it as a one way street either. Where did you come up with that one? polly7 Aug 2012 #312

If I saw men as my equal.... boston bean Aug 2012 #337

Why do you say things I haven't said? polly7 Aug 2012 #346

It's what some people around here do. hifiguy Aug 2012 #349

"fully expunged itself" opiate69 Aug 2012 #172

apparently it's a trick question/poll Whisp Aug 2012 #178

lol.... I was just thinkin`.... opiate69 Aug 2012 #179

Here's the way it should have been worded... Major Nikon Aug 2012 #208

wow, as far as I know mens rights activists aren't too happy with their boston bean Aug 2012 #214

Do you and redqueen have any other tactics besides false accusations? Major Nikon Aug 2012 #218

No. bluestateguy Aug 2012 #182

LOL lightcameron Aug 2012 #184

I wish I had the same life expectancy as a woman (nt) Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #185

Me, too. My male advantages can't be all that great if it kills me early. Zalatix Aug 2012 #254

Of course not. Zoeisright Aug 2012 #186

As far as I know the island of Lesbos is the only jurisdiction where women have an advantage re Monk06 Aug 2012 #193

We've been struggling with it for a nanosecond. orpupilofnature57 Aug 2012 #201

When viewed with an eye towards the immense course of history hifiguy Aug 2012 #252

of course it matters. i thought it a very good point. doesnt mean people, women, seabeyond Aug 2012 #253

As they should . orpupilofnature57 Aug 2012 #333

I "voted" not to vote Spike89 Aug 2012 #211

I appreciate the comment, but your reason for not voting boston bean Aug 2012 #212

It had everything to do with the OP, hifiguy Aug 2012 #246

we also mock the reichwingers, justifiably, for ignoring reality. nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #251

at least, when we`re not citing their anti-porn "studies"... opiate69 Aug 2012 #256

Au Contraire boston bean Aug 2012 #292

Well, I don't think it is a meaningful term Spike89 Aug 2012 #332

So, you take umbrage with the word privilege. boston bean Aug 2012 #336

Maybe so, it strikes me as Harrison Bergeron-ish Spike89 Aug 2012 #338

Of course not. YoungDemCA Aug 2012 #219

Number 200. Major Hogwash Aug 2012 #221

I regret that I have only one vote for this poll. undeterred Aug 2012 #225

Meant to hit "No" Norrin Radd Aug 2012 #227

the nifty thing with du3 polls is you can change them a zillion times.... nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #228

I see eek MD Aug 2012 #231

Nope, not what it is about at all. nt boston bean Aug 2012 #232

My god, the number of FRA talking points in this thread are astounding! OneTenthofOnePercent Aug 2012 #237

YES Skittles Aug 2012 #285

Who is this they you speak of? AngryAmish Aug 2012 #294

Exactly! And the southern poverty law center is tracking FRA groups as hate groups. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #322

I would say you are more insecure than are they Skittles Aug 2012 #339

LOLOL Skittles Aug 2012 #284

One-percent privilege is the main and most pernicious form of privilege in society today. Where HiPointDem Aug 2012 #296

Male privilege exists in all the percentages. nt boston bean Aug 2012 #298

you saying so doesn't make it so. 'male privilege' is a 1%er divide & rule tactic v. the lower HiPointDem Aug 2012 #299

you're saying it doesn't, doesn't make it so. boston bean Aug 2012 #302

the widely circulated articles saying so simply compare average wages in an industry by sex. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #309

Agreed 100% hifiguy Aug 2012 #308

Perfect! polly7 Aug 2012 #317

Thank you, polly7! hifiguy Aug 2012 #326

Yvw ... and You too! nt. polly7 Aug 2012 #327

Wedge issues: you're doing it wrong. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #321

It's silly to claim that it has. JoeyT Aug 2012 #330

If you get mugged, there isn't a huge stink, period. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #334

...which is hardly the point. yewberry Aug 2012 #350

You're proving my point. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #354

Well, this thread went about as expected. flvegan Aug 2012 #341

Why would anyone think it had? Taverner Aug 2012 #344

There's always going to be preferential treatment as long as society and institutions are run by craigmatic Aug 2012 #362

The poll question could not be wored in a much more biased manner. JoePhilly Aug 2012 #366

If you look back at these polls started here imo, to cause heated discussion out of their own group, polly7 Aug 2012 #368

America will NEVER have fully expunged itself from all forms of male & female privilege in society. NYC_SKP Aug 2012 #371