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lumberjack_jeff

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176. It's not just the grammar.

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 04:04 PM

Aug 2012

Equality; You can't get it in "more" or "additional" or "for women" flavors.

I'm absolutely for equality. For instance, gays lack equality because they can't marry. African Americans lack equality because their communities are generally impoverished and their schools are therefore underfunded.

No one has explained to me in a definitive way what institutional inequality looks like for women. Equal pay for equal work? Arguments on that basis emphasize the former and neglect to even consider the latter. Counting Senators? Since 54% of voters are women, these are the elected officials that women have chosen. Besides, an infrastructure exists for the purpose of electing women, no comparable credible organization exists for men. "Vote for men" is sexist because despite being a minority of voters, as well as a minority of the adult population in general... well, it just is.

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Male Privilege [View all] boston bean Aug 2012 OP

I don't think any Western society is that far yet MissHoneychurch Aug 2012 #1

It's easy to say "Western Society" but what about Middle Eastern, African and Asian societies? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #20

agreed. we do have much to offer the world in combating misogyny and inequality. seabeyond Aug 2012 #23

It's a danger on many topics Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #26

this is exactly where i go when i hear that argument. in just about everything in life. seabeyond Aug 2012 #30

I did on purpose wrote "Western Society" MissHoneychurch Aug 2012 #28

I noticed that the pay gap has been mentioned. redqueen Aug 2012 #2

Alerted. hifiguy Aug 2012 #61

Unless you really explained your alert well, chances are it will not be successful stevenleser Aug 2012 #70

a lot of people make sexist comments. that does not make them either sexist or misogynist. bogus seabeyond Aug 2012 #72

apparently, DU community disagrees with you. n/t Scout Aug 2012 #106

Whatever. A lot of pretty nasty things are allowed hifiguy Aug 2012 #107

Red- could you explain what MRA is and what the talking points are Marrah_G Aug 2012 #134

MRA = Mens Rights Advocacy (or something like that) ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2012 #144

thanks Marrah_G Aug 2012 #162

Not a problem ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2012 #167

Oh so very well said. redqueen Aug 2012 #174

Here's an expanded explanation of what's involved Major Nikon Aug 2012 #222

The "wage gap" articles repetitiously posted here are partly fraudulent themselves, and HiPointDem Aug 2012 #297

Fraudulent? redqueen Aug 2012 #304

yes, it's fraudulent to trumpet claims that there's a !!!28%!!! wage gap (or whatever the big HiPointDem Aug 2012 #316

Ah, but you see.... opiate69 Aug 2012 #306

If you deny the Patriarchy, as an organized conspiracy by all men against all women, exists 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #370

I didn't vote because I disagree with the idea of the poll davidpdx Aug 2012 #3

What do you think was the idea of the poll? nt boston bean Aug 2012 #4

I think the poll is limited given the options you gave davidpdx Aug 2012 #5

I was very specific in the question about America. boston bean Aug 2012 #6

Canada is another Country. Whisp Aug 2012 #158

You are, once again, attempting to subscribe words and opinions to me that I did not write and that boston bean Aug 2012 #159

this is what you said: Whisp Aug 2012 #160

Are you calling me a republican? boston bean Aug 2012 #165

but you didn't say that. Whisp Aug 2012 #168

never said what you are stating. boston bean Aug 2012 #173

Apparently what you *meant* to say was ALL other countries. redqueen Aug 2012 #175

wtf are "Confusion countries"? Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #64

As long as government can control Freddie Aug 2012 #7

No. Among other problems, men still have overwhelming institutional control. MadrasT Aug 2012 #8

Castration is also a method of birth control. aquart Aug 2012 #49

it would be like me not owning "white privilege" which i think is pretty damn clear and evident seabeyond Aug 2012 #9

I voted No because obviously there is discrimination against females slackmaster Aug 2012 #10

Do you think women want to "knock down" men? boston bean Aug 2012 #11

When someone uses a term like "privilege" in a pejorative manner, it sounds so to me slackmaster Aug 2012 #13

It is not being used in a perjorative manner. boston bean Aug 2012 #16

The issue is basic human rights slackmaster Aug 2012 #25

So you would have had no objection to my post had I written boston bean Aug 2012 #40

That's correct, because though you may not have intended it that way, I read privilege as pejorative slackmaster Aug 2012 #71

As to your last statement, it was you who ascribed that meaning to male privilege. boston bean Aug 2012 #75

We are in complete agreement that inequality exists and that it's a major problem slackmaster Aug 2012 #104

ok. I think the word I chose was fitting and fine. boston bean Aug 2012 #109

you really do not have much of a choice. you did not "create" male/white privilege. it is well seabeyond Aug 2012 #110

examples of male privilege to better understand. example of white privilege, too. seabeyond Aug 2012 #12

Outstanding list and post! Thanks :-) Care Acutely Aug 2012 #18

it helps to read them, then it is easier to say.... ya, i see. not about an individual life seabeyond Aug 2012 #36

White privilege is real. Male privilege is not. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #89

we would have to disagree on the male privilege and agree on the white privilege. nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #90

I have to disagree with this. dawg Aug 2012 #181

It is absolutely true that poor women, women of color and lesbians suffer all the same problems... lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #195

I think we can cordially agree to disagree here. dawg Aug 2012 #199

Of course. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #202

You're talking about illegal discrimination Major Nikon Aug 2012 #223

Regardless of legal status, the effect on people's lives is the same. dawg Aug 2012 #226

Those are two separate issues Major Nikon Aug 2012 #229

Do you think there are valid sociological reasons for all unequal outcomes ... dawg Aug 2012 #235

No, I don't Major Nikon Aug 2012 #236

I think what you just articulated is a reasonable and thoughtful opinion. dawg Aug 2012 #238

You agree that pointing out that the effort to minimize the fact that women are paid less redqueen Aug 2012 #241

No, of course not. dawg Aug 2012 #257

Ah, ok, that makes sense. redqueen Aug 2012 #263

If the actual scope of a problem is less than popular reporting or conventional wisdom says... lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #318

Redqueen just demonstrated exactly the bad behavior I was talking about Major Nikon Aug 2012 #324

That is exactly your intent. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #311

Georgia may be one of the better states in this regard Major Nikon Aug 2012 #323

But it was men who made that law! lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #314

#46 nt laundry_queen Aug 2012 #376

Isn't accepting stereotypes as fact fun? joeglow3 Aug 2012 #239

i have heard fluke called a "slut". not edward, dsk, schwarzenegger, gingrich seabeyond Aug 2012 #242

Wow. You should try to get this study of yours published. joeglow3 Aug 2012 #247

lol lol. regardless of reality presented to us daily, it does not meet your objective. got it. seabeyond Aug 2012 #249

I believe it exists, but things like this raise an eyebrow joeglow3 Aug 2012 #258

then you are not living in the real world. do your own observation with your eyes wide open now seabeyond Aug 2012 #259

Do all the women and girls who are constantly insulted as sluts and whores online, redqueen Aug 2012 #267

it isnt just on line. here alone we will hear comments about women we do not like seabeyond Aug 2012 #269

So, since I see more CFNM porn than stripper porn, can I assume men are the victim? joeglow3 Aug 2012 #287

Yeah.. nobody ever called John Edwards bad names... opiate69 Aug 2012 #250

Seriously? Edwards has been hammered at great length hifiguy Aug 2012 #290

not just on this site, but specifically by HER!! opiate69 Aug 2012 #291

To some around here we would be the bad guys hifiguy Aug 2012 #300

This study is about a subset of the general population, college students. MadrasT Aug 2012 #244

True, but I would argue this is also the biggest playground joeglow3 Aug 2012 #248

You realize a good chunk of that list is entirely subjective 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #369

No (nt) bigwillq Aug 2012 #14

Who has more "privilege?" 99Forever Aug 2012 #15

The division is not in pointing out the privilege, the division is that it exists. nt boston bean Aug 2012 #17

Cue the Democratic Circular Firing Squad. 99Forever Aug 2012 #22

The President of the United States is black, sufrommich Aug 2012 #19

Coming from a someone who I assume, due to their screen name, boston bean Aug 2012 #21

Why can't class be examined head on? Is it to maintain the myth in your last sentence? Romulox Aug 2012 #27

Are you speaking of the wives? boston bean Aug 2012 #29

I'm speaking of the 50% of the ruling class that is female. We can't pretend them away. Romulox Aug 2012 #31

And the way sex and class intersect, no? boston bean Aug 2012 #35

I'm no longer sure to what I'm being asked to agree. I think class privilege is rarely examined, Romulox Aug 2012 #38

at 13 she had a nation diss her looks for her worth, that you would not have had with a boy. seabeyond Aug 2012 #39

That doesn't negate anything I just posted. Some bad stuff happened to her, AND she inherited Romulox Aug 2012 #42

my post was showing that i obviously was not negating a single thing you were saying. seabeyond Aug 2012 #47

If this is the part where you start disagreeing with things I haven't said, I'm out. nt Romulox Aug 2012 #60

Some bad stuff happened to her, AND she inherited seabeyond Aug 2012 #68

you have already stated that intersections with class have a bearing. boston bean Aug 2012 #50

No, I wouldn't agree that Bill Clinton is "more privileged"; Hillary is Secretary of State of the US Romulox Aug 2012 #58

I couldn't disagree more. Her life history proves it. boston bean Aug 2012 #62

because class privilege exists does not mean male privilege does not exist as well. boston bean Aug 2012 #44

I don't think both can be true though--either CLASS is the dominant privilege, or GENDER is... Romulox Aug 2012 #51

i think the black community would disagree. especially black women. seabeyond Aug 2012 #53

Black men have some of the highest unemployment, highest incarceration, young adult mortality, Romulox Aug 2012 #55

wow. ok. nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #56

Black women live longer, suffer less violence, and are more likely to go to college than black men. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #103

We disagree. I do not believe that either is dominant. boston bean Aug 2012 #54

I was hoping to disagree after a vigorous discussion of the matter, but I accept your position. nt Romulox Aug 2012 #57

Privilege based on economic class has an infinitely greater effect hifiguy Aug 2012 #67

says a man, lol. thanks for letting us know this. damn, now we can sit down and shut up. seabeyond Aug 2012 #69

Where did I tell anyone to shut up? hifiguy Aug 2012 #78

You do not get to decide which "destructive privilege" which affects them more. boston bean Aug 2012 #79

A staggeringly imperceptive statement. hifiguy Aug 2012 #84

You are not hearing what I said. You do not get to decide for people which boston bean Aug 2012 #88

of course she can`t... opiate69 Aug 2012 #92

ah. cause jumping in with a post of insults it what you define as "intellectual"? seabeyond Aug 2012 #95

Well.....I would love to jump in and debate, but.... opiate69 Aug 2012 #100

what does that have to do what i posted or what i addressed about your post of insults? nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #101

insults? nah... just satire! opiate69 Aug 2012 #105

ah. now playing games is showing off your "intellectual" ability. gotcha. nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #108

just follwing my new favorite motto. opiate69 Aug 2012 #111

wow. more insults to make your point. i guess you continue to make mine. seabeyond Aug 2012 #114

sure it is refutable, if you are a woman. to a man, nope, not refutable at all. and how did you seabeyond Aug 2012 #80

There are none so blind as those who will not see. hifiguy Aug 2012 #86

you got that dude. nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #87

Privilege based of economic class, heredity privilege is huge Marrah_G Aug 2012 #149

I cannot disagree with anything you are saying there. hifiguy Aug 2012 #151

Thanks- I didn't always get that though Marrah_G Aug 2012 #161

I think that it is incorrect to say that 50% of the ruling class is female Nikia Aug 2012 #146

I'm NOT making an "argument." 99Forever Aug 2012 #33

Your issue not with women, or women fighting for more equal rights. boston bean Aug 2012 #41

Your framing is offensive. Period. 99Forever Aug 2012 #43

I'm sorry you feel that way. I didn't mean to be offensive. boston bean Aug 2012 #45

"Women seeking equality is not harming or dividing anyone, period." redqueen Aug 2012 #66

where's that anti-feminist bingo card thingy when you need it? Scout Aug 2012 #115

That's not what Betty Friedan had to say about it Major Nikon Aug 2012 #209

basically you are fighting that women cannot bring up discriminatory issues cause they offend you. seabeyond Aug 2012 #48

Bullshit. 99Forever Aug 2012 #73

bah hahahaha. lol. seabeyond Aug 2012 #74

I can't help but laugh... Scootaloo Aug 2012 #303

you do not comprehend what male privilege is. Period. Scout Aug 2012 #113

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omfg seabeyond Aug 2012 #156

A perfect example of arrogance. 99Forever Aug 2012 #166

fightng for "more equal" rights? lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #118

cute. My grammar might have been off. boston bean Aug 2012 #128

It's not just the grammar. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #176

I am not here to convince you of something of something, because you already hold a very strong boston bean Aug 2012 #177

it's hard for men, but for women, on average, things are even harder CreekDog Aug 2012 #180

The poverty rate for men and women is 18/20% 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #374

He overcame a lot of barriers. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #91

look at the topic from an objective perspective allowing for a large sampling... LanternWaste Aug 2012 #46

Ann Romney or Mitt Romney? aquart Aug 2012 #52

Either or. 99Forever Aug 2012 #77

It exists and people discussing it, is not whining. boston bean Aug 2012 #82

You raise an interesting question KansDem Aug 2012 #93

yes. violence of any kind should be addressed in gender neutrality. it is not hard to call out seabeyond Aug 2012 #97

Agreed. KansDem Aug 2012 #119

yes... lets call all that out. i know i do often. did the other day with three teens sittin at seabeyond Aug 2012 #124

Off the subject entirely, Codeine Aug 2012 #210

Thank you! KansDem Aug 2012 #234

That is not what privilege means in this case Marrah_G Aug 2012 #129

You're looking at it from the wrong angle LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #340

You're right that it's just another way to keep us divided. seabeyond Aug 2012 #342

I don't think it's quite that simple LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #343

Brava!! That is one of the very finest posts I have ever read hifiguy Aug 2012 #347

Bullseye. rrneck Aug 2012 #351

So many of those are artificially created and manipulated too LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #353

Male privilege exists in primate groups. It has nothing to do with 'ruling classes'. redqueen Aug 2012 #355

You're kidding, right? LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #356

Yeah, cause primates don't learn from other primates. redqueen Aug 2012 #358

Aaaaaaand now we're back to learned LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #360

Did you somehow get the impression I was disagreeing that it was learned? redqueen Aug 2012 #361

Yep, and that was exactly what you did LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #363

It does keep A class in power. Not 'classes'. redqueen Aug 2012 #364

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In modern eras there have been more than one type of ruling class LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #367

Ruling classes assert privilege. That's how they rule. nt rrneck Aug 2012 #357

It's difficult .... Ben_Caxton Aug 2012 #24

I think you are correct, but does that make it not true? boston bean Aug 2012 #34

Yeah... Upton Aug 2012 #32

You mean the men who lived in such a patriarchal society OriginalGeek Aug 2012 #63

Okay.. Upton Aug 2012 #76

Come on man OriginalGeek Aug 2012 #81

The last draft was in 1972 LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #359

One (two, actually) Quantess Aug 2012 #37

No, but if you can show me one modern society that has hifiguy Aug 2012 #59

If anyone on the Rmoney /Lyan ticket was a woman ecstatic Aug 2012 #65

Women are 54% of voters. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #94

I'm saying, the R&R team is unqualified, but ecstatic Aug 2012 #192

That's been proven. Lots of unqualified men have been president. Ermmm Bush.... boston bean Aug 2012 #216

Equal opportunity does not mean equal outcome Major Nikon Aug 2012 #224

Since the purpose of this poll was to harvest names for your ignore list, count me as a "yes". lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #83

I don't have anyone on ignore... boston bean Aug 2012 #85

You just host a group that immediately banishes anyone who disagrees 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #372

That is not the case. boston bean Aug 2012 #375

It it exactly the case 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #377

I didn't read your response, except the subject line, which is false. boston bean Aug 2012 #378

Reading isn't a four letter word 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #379

Shoot me a DU Mail. Give it a shot. boston bean Aug 2012 #380

Er, no 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #381

Ok, then. I hope you could move on, since you have no interest. boston bean Aug 2012 #382

That crossed my mind also.. Upton Aug 2012 #98

Not voting Marrah_G Aug 2012 #96

actually, there have been quite a few comments made that male privilege and patriarchy does not seabeyond Aug 2012 #99

Yes and everyone knows who they are and they are challenged all the time Marrah_G Aug 2012 #112

I didn't think that I yelled at anyone. I wanted the communities opinion on a subject. boston bean Aug 2012 #116

Believe it or not, we are on the same side Marrah_G Aug 2012 #123

I can't control what others do. I don't even want to try. boston bean Aug 2012 #125

Well okay- your poll got the results you wanted then Marrah_G Aug 2012 #130

Yep, I did. Hopefully more will give a vote. The day is still early! boston bean Aug 2012 #137

i am hearing a lot of discussion. as a matter of fact, i needed clarification on a point seabeyond Aug 2012 #117

I think one big thing would be... Marrah_G Aug 2012 #120

maybe. seabeyond Aug 2012 #139

Maybe you could suggest it in hof Marrah_G Aug 2012 #141

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Aug 2012 #102

What was the point of asking a rhetorical question? CabCurious Aug 2012 #122

To take a poll and get peoples opinions.... nt boston bean Aug 2012 #126

You CARE about the opinion of the trolls who says no? Of course not! lol CabCurious Aug 2012 #131

I have nothing to admit. I wrote a post on DU in the form of a poll and asked a specific question boston bean Aug 2012 #135

actually, when a person disagreed then there was conversation seabeyond Aug 2012 #136

Apparently, there are a few DUers who still believe that there is no Zorra Aug 2012 #132

I know why! To: Quantess Aug 2012 #140

arent you doing 1-4 with your post? nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #143

I posted upthread in support of the OP Quantess Aug 2012 #148

Perhaps, the interest was piqued with those who disagreed. boston bean Aug 2012 #150

i dont feel like i am a part of 1-4. i think i find the topic interesting. i have learned stuff seabeyond Aug 2012 #155

an even more excellent description of male privilege that will help even those that get it, seabeyond Aug 2012 #127

good post! Marrah_G Aug 2012 #133

So..... opiate69 Aug 2012 #183

it really is pretty simple and clear seabeyond Aug 2012 #188

well.... with all due respect to 1strong... opiate69 Aug 2012 #189

omg... more insult. how nasty. it is one thing when being nasty to me, that is fine seabeyond Aug 2012 #191

and yet.... opiate69 Aug 2012 #194

I've tried to stay above the fray, but boston bean Aug 2012 #213

Um....yeah.... opiate69 Aug 2012 #220

That was a nasty comment Marrah_G Aug 2012 #233

Black people live shorter lives than white people 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #373

Side note: When did MRA become acceptable usage around here? AngryAmish Aug 2012 #138

I'm not sure why you are asking me. Did the OP mention MRA? nt boston bean Aug 2012 #147

Oh no, I just saw it in the thread. AngryAmish Aug 2012 #152

How is labeling a style of talking points... redqueen Aug 2012 #187

Would it be fair to label you a "radfem" against your wishes... lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #197

Who did I label an MRA? redqueen Aug 2012 #205

Lets list some of the MRA talking points. I'll start. boston bean Aug 2012 #215

The term MRA? gollygee Aug 2012 #190

Who? lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #198

I don't know about DUers gollygee Aug 2012 #203

The term is not used as an abstraction by posters in this thread. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #204

Oh gollygee Aug 2012 #206

Accusing someone of throwing around "MRA talking points" hifiguy Aug 2012 #293

Stating that the patriarchy is a conspiracy theory is an MRA talking point. boston bean Aug 2012 #295

The very term "the patriachy" implies concerted group effort, hifiguy Aug 2012 #305

That's how you think of the term "the patriarchy"? MadrasT Aug 2012 #310

"Historical patriarchal values" hifiguy Aug 2012 #319

That's good to know. Thank you. MadrasT Aug 2012 #328

De nada. hifiguy Aug 2012 #331

Someone responded in a thread I started with a post from an MRA site gollygee Aug 2012 #301

What's unfortunate is that it's used despite the fact NO ONE here self-identifies as MRA. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #196

bullshit poll question. Whisp Aug 2012 #142

I guess it's not bullshit then. boston bean Aug 2012 #145

I do Whisp Aug 2012 #154

I apologize for upsetting you so, Whisp. Really. Didn't think such a simple question would hit a boston bean Aug 2012 #157

whatever, bb. You are getting your drama fix Whisp Aug 2012 #164

Once again, making accusations that have no basis in reality. boston bean Aug 2012 #169

Just a question... demmiblue Aug 2012 #163

contingent to a certain camp of thinking Whisp Aug 2012 #170

So, the question itself is problematic to you? demmiblue Aug 2012 #171

It's a bullshit poll question because male privilege and female privilege will always exist Major Nikon Aug 2012 #200

if women took over power from men Whisp Aug 2012 #207

Yep. it's always so beneficial to discuss complex issues based on answering either of two black polly7 Aug 2012 #217

You don't believe that the 99% of women and men are equal. boston bean Aug 2012 #230

I believe they face the same challenges, yes. polly7 Aug 2012 #240

Who is talking about any victimhood, besides you? boston bean Aug 2012 #243

+1 MadrasT Aug 2012 #245

Another one that laughed at those who objected to the word fucktoilet. polly7 Aug 2012 #262

you should object, it is offensive. but, one should at least put some effort and honesty seabeyond Aug 2012 #264

You should pay attention. polly7 Aug 2012 #265

when a person is willing to ignore context of what was being said, it is obviously about the battle seabeyond Aug 2012 #270

I understood the context when it was first written ....... polly7 Aug 2012 #273

i have not seen the word used but by your group after that one post. seabeyond Aug 2012 #275

You haven't seen it defended over and over and laughed about? polly7 Aug 2012 #277

when people continue to disregard context and meaning and usage for their outrage seabeyond Aug 2012 #279

Basically, polly7 Aug 2012 #281

Not playing. MadrasT Aug 2012 #288

Not any more .............. anyway polly7 Aug 2012 #325

Your subject line is accurate. MadrasT Aug 2012 #329

It didn't feel good for me at the time. polly7 Aug 2012 #352

Very ell said. nt redqueen Aug 2012 #255

Yeah, from someone who laughed and implied I was like a polly7 Aug 2012 #261

You failed to comprehend. First of all, it IS NOT "my" word. redqueen Aug 2012 #266

No kidding. polly7 Aug 2012 #268

More reading comprehension issues. redqueen Aug 2012 #271

LOL. polly7 Aug 2012 #274

Then quote and link, if you think I'm misrepresenting what I said. redqueen Aug 2012 #282

No, do your own search. polly7 Aug 2012 #283

Typical. nt redqueen Aug 2012 #286

Not really, I usually do supply links polly7 Aug 2012 #307

tl:dr your weak, sad dodge. redqueen Aug 2012 #313

It's all there. polly7 Aug 2012 #315

... opiate69 Aug 2012 #320

what do you think a man is saying about a woman using the term MILF? seabeyond Aug 2012 #272

Fuck MILF. polly7 Aug 2012 #276

you are selective in your outrage. i guess i got my answer. done posting to you, also seabeyond Aug 2012 #278

No, not at all. polly7 Aug 2012 #280

That whole ridiculous "MILF" dustup was what could be called hifiguy Aug 2012 #335

Yes, it was an unfortunate, sad article with a very unfortunately polly7 Aug 2012 #345

Some people are so dogmatic and humor-impaired that hifiguy Aug 2012 #348

Insulting, really? polly7 Aug 2012 #260

Polly, I do. The difference between me and you boston bean Aug 2012 #289

I don't see it as a one way street either. Where did you come up with that one? polly7 Aug 2012 #312

If I saw men as my equal.... boston bean Aug 2012 #337

Why do you say things I haven't said? polly7 Aug 2012 #346

It's what some people around here do. hifiguy Aug 2012 #349

"fully expunged itself" opiate69 Aug 2012 #172

apparently it's a trick question/poll Whisp Aug 2012 #178

lol.... I was just thinkin`.... opiate69 Aug 2012 #179

Here's the way it should have been worded... Major Nikon Aug 2012 #208

wow, as far as I know mens rights activists aren't too happy with their boston bean Aug 2012 #214

Do you and redqueen have any other tactics besides false accusations? Major Nikon Aug 2012 #218

No. bluestateguy Aug 2012 #182

LOL lightcameron Aug 2012 #184

I wish I had the same life expectancy as a woman (nt) Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #185

Me, too. My male advantages can't be all that great if it kills me early. Zalatix Aug 2012 #254

Of course not. Zoeisright Aug 2012 #186

As far as I know the island of Lesbos is the only jurisdiction where women have an advantage re Monk06 Aug 2012 #193

We've been struggling with it for a nanosecond. orpupilofnature57 Aug 2012 #201

When viewed with an eye towards the immense course of history hifiguy Aug 2012 #252

of course it matters. i thought it a very good point. doesnt mean people, women, seabeyond Aug 2012 #253

As they should . orpupilofnature57 Aug 2012 #333

I "voted" not to vote Spike89 Aug 2012 #211

I appreciate the comment, but your reason for not voting boston bean Aug 2012 #212

It had everything to do with the OP, hifiguy Aug 2012 #246

we also mock the reichwingers, justifiably, for ignoring reality. nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #251

at least, when we`re not citing their anti-porn "studies"... opiate69 Aug 2012 #256

Au Contraire boston bean Aug 2012 #292

Well, I don't think it is a meaningful term Spike89 Aug 2012 #332

So, you take umbrage with the word privilege. boston bean Aug 2012 #336

Maybe so, it strikes me as Harrison Bergeron-ish Spike89 Aug 2012 #338

Of course not. YoungDemCA Aug 2012 #219

Number 200. Major Hogwash Aug 2012 #221

I regret that I have only one vote for this poll. undeterred Aug 2012 #225

Meant to hit "No" Norrin Radd Aug 2012 #227

the nifty thing with du3 polls is you can change them a zillion times.... nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #228

I see eek MD Aug 2012 #231

Nope, not what it is about at all. nt boston bean Aug 2012 #232

My god, the number of FRA talking points in this thread are astounding! OneTenthofOnePercent Aug 2012 #237

YES Skittles Aug 2012 #285

Who is this they you speak of? AngryAmish Aug 2012 #294

Exactly! And the southern poverty law center is tracking FRA groups as hate groups. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #322

I would say you are more insecure than are they Skittles Aug 2012 #339

LOLOL Skittles Aug 2012 #284

One-percent privilege is the main and most pernicious form of privilege in society today. Where HiPointDem Aug 2012 #296

Male privilege exists in all the percentages. nt boston bean Aug 2012 #298

you saying so doesn't make it so. 'male privilege' is a 1%er divide & rule tactic v. the lower HiPointDem Aug 2012 #299

you're saying it doesn't, doesn't make it so. boston bean Aug 2012 #302

the widely circulated articles saying so simply compare average wages in an industry by sex. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #309

Agreed 100% hifiguy Aug 2012 #308

Perfect! polly7 Aug 2012 #317

Thank you, polly7! hifiguy Aug 2012 #326

Yvw ... and You too! nt. polly7 Aug 2012 #327

Wedge issues: you're doing it wrong. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #321

It's silly to claim that it has. JoeyT Aug 2012 #330

If you get mugged, there isn't a huge stink, period. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #334

...which is hardly the point. yewberry Aug 2012 #350

You're proving my point. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #354

Well, this thread went about as expected. flvegan Aug 2012 #341

Why would anyone think it had? Taverner Aug 2012 #344

There's always going to be preferential treatment as long as society and institutions are run by craigmatic Aug 2012 #362

The poll question could not be wored in a much more biased manner. JoePhilly Aug 2012 #366

If you look back at these polls started here imo, to cause heated discussion out of their own group, polly7 Aug 2012 #368

America will NEVER have fully expunged itself from all forms of male & female privilege in society. NYC_SKP Aug 2012 #371