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In reply to the discussion: Joy Reid apologizes and says experts haven't proven she was hacked [View all]Exotica
(1,461 posts)71. Once this DU post came to light, it was pretty obvious that there was no hack
https://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=221x48020

It is a same day post (within 3 hours) of her blog post. This is also one of the posts that Joy said was "fake", that its was from a hack.
Look at the dates of her blog entry and then when Ian David posted it on DU. Same day, and his post was at 2:18 PM in the afternoon
Ian Davids time stamp on DU
Tue Feb-06-07 02:18 PM
Original message

now
here is the timestamp from Joy's Blog post
posted by jreid at 11:08 am


3 hours difference same day
Joy's Blog was a small local South Florida operation back then. This is 7 plus years before she went national on MSNBC (in 2014)
many of her articles got no comments back then
She didn't even write that many a day, she certainly would have noticed when she looked at her page if some had added a totally bogus big post, it wasn't like she was pumping up dozens of posts a day
here is an archive of that exact blog entry
compare it to one that Ian David posted on DU 3 hours later, same day Feb 6, 2007.
THEY MATCH exactly
https://archive.is/pMYl8
That archive page ignores robots.txt script blocking that Reid's tean put up after the December drama, the one where she admitted she made the posts.Her team tried to then get Internet Archive to remove all her archives, and they refused, so she then has her tech team put up the blocking scripts from her end.
But there are many archive sites out there, such as this one I posted. If you wanted to put up a fake page years after the fact, you would have to go in to hundreds of different URL's real time, hack the servers and carefully enter in the exact same thing every time, AND hack EVERY board or news article or any other site that posted you entry. You would NEVER be able to find them all.
If someone had done it real time in the beginning of 2007 (and again the number of people who followed a local Florida blog was microscopic compared to her followers now), she would have instantly noticed as it is HER BLOG and she would see the bogus post the next time she looked at it her website. Not only that but there are MULTIPLE posts from back then that contain causal homophobia. And the only way they could have been hacked is back in 2007 etc, whenever they where posted, as she would have seen them every time she looked at her own site.
That is why the DU post and its timestamp PROVES no hack, as it shows within 3 hours the same thing as the actual blog, a blog that was not visited much nor had a lot of posts (in the grand scheme of the internet).
screenshot made by the archive
https://archive.is/pMYl8/image
and my own snapshots from the archive at https://archive.is/pMYl8
I had to make multiple screenshots because she added all sorts of media that is now dead links, as it is from 2007. It will not fit all on just one screen. The now dead links are another massive sign that it is real, as if it was hacked recently, those links would be impossible to find.
look at the entire thing https://archive.is/pMYl8
here are snaps




here are all the archives that that archive site took of her blog
you can see for yourself all I have stated is factual
that DU post made 3 hours later, same day, is a big nail nail in the coffin so to speak
https://archive.is/blog.reidreport.com
Now, this all said, I truly believe she has evolved and I, as a LGBTQ woman of colour, accept her apology. I think she is a vital ally and source to fight RW scum like Trump. She also isnt afraid to call out Dems when they vote for RW shit like that horrid repeal of key parts of Dodd-Frank and hold people like Bernie Sanders accountable.
But I do think she made a big mistake by not just doing exactly what she did in December, just admit she made mistakes long ago, apologise again, and move on. It all would have blown over. BUT, now that she has thrown up this ludicrous (IMHO) and ever-changing (first she said Internet Archive was hacked, they said no, so then she said it happened on HER servers, then changed it to screen shots were fake, now she admits she cannot find any evidence of hacking at all) story of "hacks" etc, and has gotten the biggest names in the US media (NYT, WaPo, dozens of others, etc etc etc) to basically completely be either hyper sceptical or flat out say it isn't true, she has made it a lot tougher on herself and has hurt her credibility. Hopefully she can recover.

It is a same day post (within 3 hours) of her blog post. This is also one of the posts that Joy said was "fake", that its was from a hack.
Look at the dates of her blog entry and then when Ian David posted it on DU. Same day, and his post was at 2:18 PM in the afternoon
Ian Davids time stamp on DU
Tue Feb-06-07 02:18 PM
Original message

now
here is the timestamp from Joy's Blog post
posted by jreid at 11:08 am


3 hours difference same day
Joy's Blog was a small local South Florida operation back then. This is 7 plus years before she went national on MSNBC (in 2014)
many of her articles got no comments back then
She didn't even write that many a day, she certainly would have noticed when she looked at her page if some had added a totally bogus big post, it wasn't like she was pumping up dozens of posts a day
here is an archive of that exact blog entry
compare it to one that Ian David posted on DU 3 hours later, same day Feb 6, 2007.
THEY MATCH exactly
https://archive.is/pMYl8
That archive page ignores robots.txt script blocking that Reid's tean put up after the December drama, the one where she admitted she made the posts.Her team tried to then get Internet Archive to remove all her archives, and they refused, so she then has her tech team put up the blocking scripts from her end.
But there are many archive sites out there, such as this one I posted. If you wanted to put up a fake page years after the fact, you would have to go in to hundreds of different URL's real time, hack the servers and carefully enter in the exact same thing every time, AND hack EVERY board or news article or any other site that posted you entry. You would NEVER be able to find them all.
If someone had done it real time in the beginning of 2007 (and again the number of people who followed a local Florida blog was microscopic compared to her followers now), she would have instantly noticed as it is HER BLOG and she would see the bogus post the next time she looked at it her website. Not only that but there are MULTIPLE posts from back then that contain causal homophobia. And the only way they could have been hacked is back in 2007 etc, whenever they where posted, as she would have seen them every time she looked at her own site.
That is why the DU post and its timestamp PROVES no hack, as it shows within 3 hours the same thing as the actual blog, a blog that was not visited much nor had a lot of posts (in the grand scheme of the internet).
screenshot made by the archive
https://archive.is/pMYl8/image
and my own snapshots from the archive at https://archive.is/pMYl8
I had to make multiple screenshots because she added all sorts of media that is now dead links, as it is from 2007. It will not fit all on just one screen. The now dead links are another massive sign that it is real, as if it was hacked recently, those links would be impossible to find.
look at the entire thing https://archive.is/pMYl8
here are snaps




here are all the archives that that archive site took of her blog
you can see for yourself all I have stated is factual
that DU post made 3 hours later, same day, is a big nail nail in the coffin so to speak
https://archive.is/blog.reidreport.com
Now, this all said, I truly believe she has evolved and I, as a LGBTQ woman of colour, accept her apology. I think she is a vital ally and source to fight RW scum like Trump. She also isnt afraid to call out Dems when they vote for RW shit like that horrid repeal of key parts of Dodd-Frank and hold people like Bernie Sanders accountable.
But I do think she made a big mistake by not just doing exactly what she did in December, just admit she made mistakes long ago, apologise again, and move on. It all would have blown over. BUT, now that she has thrown up this ludicrous (IMHO) and ever-changing (first she said Internet Archive was hacked, they said no, so then she said it happened on HER servers, then changed it to screen shots were fake, now she admits she cannot find any evidence of hacking at all) story of "hacks" etc, and has gotten the biggest names in the US media (NYT, WaPo, dozens of others, etc etc etc) to basically completely be either hyper sceptical or flat out say it isn't true, she has made it a lot tougher on herself and has hurt her credibility. Hopefully she can recover.
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Reid said her blog was hacked - and is still saying she does not believe she wrote those posts
oberliner
Apr 2018
#18
I don't believe she should be thrown under a bus - I like her show and hope she stays on
oberliner
Apr 2018
#24
I don't think this post will impact her staying on the air one way or another
oberliner
Apr 2018
#97
There would be nothing to apologize for... I think Joy was apologizing just in case
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#104
She said that cybersecurity experts have been examining the claim since December
oberliner
Apr 2018
#48
Apologizing makes her seem guilty? Not to me. I think she's trying to make it clear.....
marble falls
Apr 2018
#95
She's putting oil on the water. She's not striking back, she's not putting gas on the fire....
marble falls
Apr 2018
#103
I think it's a good move on Joy's part to apologize anyway, even without necessarily
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#105
TBH, I'm a little disappointed too, the same way I was with Al Franken's misconduct...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#109
What the post does most effectively is not to evicerate Joy, who I think gave a fair explaination
JCanete
Apr 2018
#22
As opposed to the "bandwagon of DU posting here that automatically" condemn her before...
George II
Apr 2018
#38
"I hired cybersecurity experts to see if somebody had manipulated my words or my former blog...
oberliner
Apr 2018
#52
no, but there is a huge difference between adopting an outlandish(though possible)
JCanete
Apr 2018
#86
I finally made my mind up tonight when she said she couldn't find any evidence of hacks
Exotica
Apr 2018
#75
Me too... just wish Joy had lumped the later-discovered blog comments with the earlier ones and
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#78
TBH, as a person of colour and a lesbian, I well and truly am so used to casual (or not so casual)
Exotica
Apr 2018
#80
Sorry but the OP is heavily edited to omit anything positive about Joy - so I feel it's a hit job in
bettyellen
Apr 2018
#60
Then why not wait until ALL facts that matter are determined? You've come to the conclusion....
George II
Apr 2018
#39
My theory is that the negative/controversial posts are the more prominent ones
oberliner
Apr 2018
#88
It a fair issue as Joy made it one... it's just that there's no proof that what she said was a lie.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#32
Had Joy done that from the beginning, no doubt this whole thing would've blown over in 1 or 2 days.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#84
It is yet to be determined if it was hacked or not...thus your post assumes guilt.
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#92
Joy Reid said that she hired cybersecurity experts in Dec. to see if someone hacked her blog
oberliner
Apr 2018
#94
I did read it and heard it on TV...and there are reports she was hacked...and it is not complete yet
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#113
I add them to my Jury Blacklist so they can not decide my fate on posts. There's only a few doing it
TheBlackAdder
Apr 2018
#76
Joy Reid is amazing - I love her show and think she is a great voice for progressives
oberliner
Apr 2018
#43
This again? I don't believe I have ever seen you post anything that can be considered to help our
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#89
I believe Joy has evolved. I have no problem with accepting that. What I dont
Nanjeanne
Apr 2018
#99