Black man blocked from entering NJ gym where hes a paid member and even the cops are confused

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235. Still lots of disagreement here

I do not accept that the owner of a property has no right to ask someone to leave his property. If it can be proven to be racism sure but this while highly likely would be hard to prove in my opinion simply because they were not paying customers.

And I am not on board with people just doing whatever they want in a place of business.


This all seems to have started with these men asking to use the bathroom. A bathroom that is for paying customers only. When they were told no they proceeded to go sit down still not buying anything. Did the other people that didn't buy anything ask to use the bathroom as well? Was it simply the act of asking to use the bathroom that got them noticed?

It's not that I don't believe them it's the idea an property manager/owner can ask you to leave their property and you can refuse questionable.

Yes you can point to racism in this case as the root cause but I don't think that has any bearing on what the cops are trained to do or should be trained to do. It is not their job to pass judgement nor should it be. The men were asked to leave they refused had it happened to a white guy the outcome would be no different.

The motivation of the manager makes little difference to me when it comes to the cops response. You are asked to leave a place by the owner you leave.

If you are trying to make a point I suppose you stay but then you run the risk of arrest.

I would love to see where the DA said the cops did the wrong thing. Can you link that by any chance. The police chief sure didn't quite the opposite.

I am happy to be on your side but I am also often on the side of the police. Not every time a black man is arrested is it racist police. Yet there seems to be a knee jerk reaction to call it such. I recall really clearly a shooting recently where folks that are on this thread were claiming the police planted a gun on a guy that was shot yet if you looked closely at the video you could see the holster on his leg and the gun being kicked away from his body after he was down.

Do you honestly believe if these guys were white and asked to leave and refused the outcome would have been any different?

Once they were asked to leave and the cops were called the outcome was inevitable if they failed to comply.

Oh you could take it to court later and get charges dropped more than likely based on what you have laid out but I find the idea the cops did the wrong thing here ridiculous. Especially considering they spent a long time trying to just talk the guys out of the store before arresting them.

no they should not have been asked to leave in the first place but again that has no bearing whatsoever on what the cops did.

I don't get the idea you should fuck with the cops whenever you feel wronged. I hear all the time about "the talk" Yet the talk seems to be fuck the police don't listen to a thing they say.

Pretty fucked up talk if you ask me.

My talk is comply do what they are asking don't argue. They have a gun if what they are doing is wrong sort it out later in court where you have the tools to be on a much more even footing.

I do appreciate the lesson though Professor.