Black man blocked from entering NJ gym where hes a paid member and even the cops are confused

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160. Here is what the deal is and what you do

it can't

How can that work?

Trespassing has to remain as it is. Otherwise it becomes toothless as anyone at any time can claim other motivations for their removal from a place.

It's one of the oldest and most pervasive tricks (and charges) in the book to remove black folk from places where whites don't want them. It was a charge that post-de jure segregation laws, allowed the same thing to happen de facto.

This is why the Public Accommodations Act of 1968 specified certain types of facilities where special protection would be provided.

If you are asked to leave go. If it is racist make sure folks know about it and hopefully the business takes a hit as starbucks is.

The owner of a property needs to retain the right remove people from his or her property. How can that be changed to except when...

I just don't see it.

Here is the problem - when someone demands "an arrest" based on bogus racist-based charges, and then the lawsuits go flying, it's not just the business that gets hit, it is usually the municipality too because the PD allowed it. And so cities like mine end up paying out MILLIONS of MY tax dollars to settle bullshit cases like what happened with Starbucks because no one bothered to de-escalate a situation and determine that there might have been mitigating factors that precluded any need for "an arrest" (as you see was done with this LA Fitness case). Especially since there was no fighting or property damage or these men harassing other people sitting in the store. In fact the others in there were trying to take up for them but were summarily ignored.

So to go the next step - LA Fitness would get sued big time, but the cops in Secaucus right now are being praised!

Cops should show good judgment and in both of these cases they did in my opinion. Which is refreshing. They spent almost 8 minutes trying to get these guys to leave on their own and they refused. They left the cops with no choice in the situation in my opinion.

The cops did absolute everything wrong in Philly EXCEPT that at least they didn't drag the guys out and slam them on the ground in a choke hold. I.e., their conduct was exemplary. But the officer who took the original call did not ask any details about what was happening (the call was less than 20 seconds). The dispatcher manufactured a major to-do by taking info that said "2 gentlemen refusing to buy anything or leave" to mean "a disruption by a group of men". And because of that, instead of a couple cops showing up, you have an almost "COP DOWN" type of response, with 6-7 showing up with a supervisor. Their negotiation skills and failure to engage witnesses and take witness statements that were contrary to what the manager claimed, is why they failed. And a PERFECT solution presented itself - the "friend" arrived and offered to take them with him to another place and that would be the end of that. But cop ego couldn't handle it and the cop blurted out that it was "too late", killing any chance of resolution other than what has now happened.

Fuck no. NOTHING is "too late".

Now the city is probably going to be on the hook for all kinds of financial compensation as settlement because of some bullshit alpha dog male cop. And Starbucks almost became toast thanks to that decision to arrest, until all this stuff about closing thousands of stores for training and whatnot. But I expect they will still be near-toast for many, just like Denny's.