Should I act surprised when Our Revolution endorsees endorse Bernie Sanders?

[Bhphoto]

Very good Congress members or officials have endorsed Bernie Sanders recently.

Namely, Rashida Tlaib, Alexandria Ocasio-cortez And Ilhan Omar, all of whom owe their victoriesb in great part to the Bernie Sanders' aligned Our Revolution PAC, founded by his national co-chair Nina Turner.

Should we go "OMG this is huge" every time these Our Revolution candidates endorse the candidate that everyone expected them to endorse?

[murielm99]

1. It might be better to keep track of

how few of those candidates actually win their elections.

[NurseJackie]

8. They don't have a very successful track record, do they?

And Cenk Uygur's group "Justice Democrats" also doesn't fare very well in that department.

[George II]

38. It appears that both Our Revolution and Justice Democrats removed their lists of endorsements....

....in previous years from their website.

I wonder if the FEC reminded them that they can't get into political campaigns (Our Revolution, at least) or is it just that their records were so bad it was embarrassing?

I don't have OR's tally, but in 2018 Justice Democrats endorsed 79 candidates, a mere 7 won (three were incumbents anyway)

[aidbo]

2. No, you should be bitter and start an OP complaining about it.

[HerbChestnut]

3. :D

Thank you.

[NurseJackie]

9. LOL! Must have struck a nerve...

No, you should be bitter and start an OP complaining about it.

LOL! Must have struck a nerve, I see.

[George II]

12. Um.....

[LiberalLovinLug]

10. Check and mate

[Hassin Bin Sober]

14. Lol

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

27. On target there!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[aikoaiko]

4. Abso-fuckin-lutely.

[DownriverDem]

5. Bernie can't win

Young folks don't get it.

[vsrazdem]

20. Can you define young folks?

[AlexSFCA]

29. that's a false narrative that the media is pushing hard

I am always amazed how much support Bernie gets from blue collar workers in swing states (of all ages) and majority of folks under 30 love Bernie. He is not my preferred candidate but if he gets the nomination I’ll support his campaign in any way I can 100%. He seems to connect to those who don’t usually vote so expanding dem electorate. I’ve come to realization that Bernie had enormous influence on democratic party positions, I feel like he sets the conversation now in every debate and, unfortunately, I am not seeing that tireless energy from Joe.
Bernie tapped into the single most important issue of our time - universal health care with no excuses. Full stop. Very powerful argument, and everyone other dem sounds like a typical politician trying to fight against it, not able to have clear and concise message against it.
Interesting thing is, I think election of trump made Bernie’s victory far more likely, the country seems to be ready for the revolution and end of incrementalism. Revolution means - dramatic expansion of dem house and senate majoriy enabling reshaping of SC with many more justices that will help transition the world’s largest capitalist country into democratic socialist regime.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

31. Can you blame 'em?! Their desperation is showing!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[ehrnst]

40. Can you give us the source for the stat "majority of folks under 30 love Bernie?" (nt)

[Celerity]

32. what a condescending reverse ageist smear

And we matter, A LOT

Gen Z, Millennials and Gen X outvoted older generations in 2018 midterms

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/05/29/gen-z-millennials-and-gen-x-outvoted-older-generations-in-2018-midterms/

and NO, we are not (not even close, not even a majority, let alone uniformly) mostly in the Sanderite camp, as your reply implied

so sick of the 'anti-post Boomer' (especially against us Gen Z'ers and Millennials) casual and snide prejudice I see here with far too often regularity

[Cuthbert Allgood]

6. Are you going to expect me to be shocked when centrist Dems support centrist Dems?

Because those are equally as OMG this is huge, but the get posted, because, well, it's news.

[Tiggeroshii]

7. Only if you think his following is exclusively white men.

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Otherwise, no.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

28. Good point... as usual!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Bhphoto]

34. No one ever made that claim

Of course, you are welcome to prove me wrong.

[HeartlandProgressive]

11. lol As Surprised and impressed as when Senator Coons of Delaware endorsed Joe Biden I guess.

Weak sause.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

30. LMFAO!! Good one!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Bhphoto]

36. I wasn't

Was I?

[George II]

13. Our Revolution is walking a fine line with their endorsements....

...being a a 501(c)(4) organization.

[HeartlandProgressive]

15. How so?

Can't individuals endorse anyone they wish as individuals?

[George II]

16. Read what I said, please.

[HeartlandProgressive]

17. I did. What's this fine line you referred to?

Individuals have an absolute right to make endorsements as individuals.

There is no grey zone or fine line at all.

[George II]

18. Our Revolution isn't an individual.

[HeartlandProgressive]

21. oh! I mistook your point. But are they really near the 50% spending on politics line?

According to The Washington Post, 501(c)(4) organizations:[37]
...are allowed to participate in politics, so long as politics do not become their primary focus. What that means in practice is that they must spend less than 50 percent of their money on politics. So long as they don't run afoul of that threshold, the groups can influence elections, which they typically do through advertising.

[George II]

22. No problem. Political activity by 501(c)(4) organizations is very limited if they want to retain..

...their tax exempt status.

[HeartlandProgressive]

26. nod, I just looked that up.

Thanks for bringing this point up.

So they must spend less than 50% of their funds on political purposes.

Good to know.

[Tiggeroshii]

23. they don't qualify as a superpac, do they?

[George II]

24. No.

[LiberalLovinLug]

19. No, why should you?

And do you actually need to ask others for an answer to that before you can decide on an answer?

[TidalWave46]

25. Aren't they a PAO funded with dark money? NT

[Celerity]

33. no, they are 501(c)(4) and they have to disclose donations

Every organization, including a 501(c)(4) organization, that expressly advocates for the election or defeat of a particular political candidate and spends more than $250 during a calendar year must disclose the name of each person who contributed more than $200 during the calendar year to the Federal Election Commission.


Political nonprofits must now name many of their donors under federal court ruling after Supreme Court declines to intervene

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/political-nonprofits-must-now-name-many-of-their-donors-under-federal-court-ruling-after-supreme-court-declines-to-intervene/2018/09/18/851ea210-bb72-11e8-9812-a389be6690af_story.html

[TidalWave46]

35. From what you have posted, it looks like I am correct.

The PAO part for sure. I believe I am correct about the money as well.

[Celerity]

37. No, you are wrong

https://ballotpedia.org/Our_Revolution

Our Revolution is a 501(c)(4) nonprofit organization that advocates for the policies of U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.). The organization was founded in August 2016.


and as I already posted, as of the 2018 SCOTUS action, they have to disclose

Every organization, including a 501(c)(4) organization, that expressly advocates for the election or defeat of a particular political candidate and spends more than $250 during a calendar year must disclose the name of each person who contributed more than $200 during the calendar year to the Federal Election Commission.


Political nonprofits must now name many of their donors under federal court ruling after Supreme Court declines to intervene

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/political-nonprofits-must-now-name-many-of-their-donors-under-federal-court-ruling-after-supreme-court-declines-to-intervene/2018/09/18/851ea210-bb72-11e8-9812-a389be6690af_story.html


here is the actual US Code

"52 U.S.C. Section 30104(c)". via United States House of Representatives.

52 USC 30104: Reporting requirements
Text contains those laws in effect on October 27, 2019
From Title 52-VOTING AND ELECTIONS
Subtitle III-Federal Campaign Finance
CHAPTER 301-FEDERAL ELECTION CAMPAIGNS
SUBCHAPTER I-DISCLOSURE OF FEDERAL CAMPAIGN FUNDS

[myohmy2]

39. "Should I act surprised..."

…sure...

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