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Renew Deal

(84,532 posts)
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 12:30 PM Dec 2015

This is the part that got the Sanders campaign in trouble...

"We knew there was a security breach in the data, and we were just trying to understand it and what was happening," said Josh Uretsky, reached by phone on Friday morning, a day after the campaign let him go.

Uretsky says he got into the system to create a record to make it clear to anyone with NBG-VAN knowledge that he was "going through stuff that I wasn't supposed to have access to."
http://www.wmur.com/politics/fired-sanders-aide-i-wasnt-peeking-at-clinton-data-files/37026958

If this is all he did, it doesn't sound like he did anything wrong. Why did the Sanders campaign fire him?

According to the DNC, the Sanders campaign will remain suspended until it provides the DNC with a full explanation of the episode and provides proof that any improperly accessed data has been discarded.


Hopefully this can be resolved quickly.
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This is the part that got the Sanders campaign in trouble... (Original Post) Renew Deal Dec 2015 OP
Good move on the part of the DNC, whether he was trying to prove a point or not, doing so does not Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #1
It excuses his actions Renew Deal Dec 2015 #2
apparently then...its not all he did... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #4
Exceptionally poor logic... n/t JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #9
I think the logic is correct Renew Deal Dec 2015 #12
What? he went where he should not have gone. This is not going to get better as it goes on. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #5
Why would I do that? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #10
Exactly, why one can not control themselves when it comes to invading areas of others is beyond me. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #18
Spoken like someone who has zero understanding of how this stuff even works. phleshdef Dec 2015 #13
Would you want your data stolen and look at for my own pleasure? Tell this to Sanders who fired Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #16
The data wasn't stolen. The vendor did a crummy development job in terms of exposing.... phleshdef Dec 2015 #17
Ethics, this should have been the rule, not that it can't be looked, the guy should have used Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #20
You aren't arguing about how it happened because you don't understand how it happened. phleshdef Dec 2015 #21
Don't attack me because this staff member is unethical, attach the person who did the deed. Sanders Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #25
There is zero proof that anything unethical occurred yet. phleshdef Dec 2015 #30
Go tell Sanders, he fired him. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #36
Shirley Sherrod. Nuff said. phleshdef Dec 2015 #37
Tell Sanders he is wrong. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #39
If I had all the facts in front of me and it seemed that was the case, hypothetically I would. phleshdef Dec 2015 #40
None of them do. Fawke Em Dec 2015 #32
Yea, same here. I've developed front end GUI, databases and all the tiers in between for 15 years. phleshdef Dec 2015 #38
and you just believe that hogwash... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #3
Having 3 assistants help him ....... Historic NY Dec 2015 #6
The "peeking" is meaningless Renew Deal Dec 2015 #14
It isn't Sanders, it is his campaign staff, he should come out strong and say this, that he has Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #22
I don't think most voters care Renew Deal Dec 2015 #24
Then perhaps the repeated over and over posting is the over-reaction. If voters don't care Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #26
I agree Renew Deal Dec 2015 #27
Really you can bet your ass if it was a Clinton staffer Historic NY Dec 2015 #41
That's funny Renew Deal Dec 2015 #42
He meant no harm, had warned them of bugs previously but they kept cropping up so he was peacebird Dec 2015 #7
The simplest explanation is the most likely. Renew Deal Dec 2015 #15
The people that setup rights for data exposure wouldn't be members of either campaign. phleshdef Dec 2015 #19
I agree Renew Deal Dec 2015 #23
Okay, sorry, I may have misunderstood where you were going with that phleshdef Dec 2015 #28
Politics as usual paid for by a guy that fell on his sword poviding plausible deniability. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2015 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #11
They did !! Leftyforever Dec 2015 #29
A person without integrity decided to steal information in order to give Sanders an advantage. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2015 #34
You sound like you know all the facts when you do not Leftyforever Dec 2015 #35
They did. Months ago. Nothing was done about it. eom Fawke Em Dec 2015 #33
He was searching for a vendor selling server wiping cloth. edgineered Dec 2015 #31

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
1. Good move on the part of the DNC, whether he was trying to prove a point or not, doing so does not
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 12:32 PM
Dec 2015

excuse his actions. It is like the shoplifter, thinking they can shoplift and get away with it then it is okay, where are the ethics?

Renew Deal

(84,532 posts)
2. It excuses his actions
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 12:33 PM
Dec 2015

He shouldn't be fired if this is all he did. He's not a shoplifter. He's a whistleblower.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
5. What? he went where he should not have gone. This is not going to get better as it goes on.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 12:35 PM
Dec 2015

Even Sanders has reacted to this action, now go and tell Sanders he should not have fired the guy.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
18. Exactly, why one can not control themselves when it comes to invading areas of others is beyond me.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 01:09 PM
Dec 2015

He did not do Sanders any favors, now the DNC has remove access, guess this should send a message of ethics.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
16. Would you want your data stolen and look at for my own pleasure? Tell this to Sanders who fired
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 01:06 PM
Dec 2015

the staff member, which should have been done.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
17. The data wasn't stolen. The vendor did a crummy development job in terms of exposing....
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 01:09 PM
Dec 2015

...data to the right people.

I am an applications developer for a living with 15 years experience with a Bachelor of Science in CIS. You really shouldn't bother trying to argue with me about this. I know what I'm talking about.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
20. Ethics, this should have been the rule, not that it can't be looked, the guy should have used
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 01:12 PM
Dec 2015

restraint. It does not matter how many degrees one has, it does not okay unethical actions. I am not arguing about how it happens, I am saying it was not ethical, it will not help Sanders if he is trying to run a good campaign. If their access is revoked then they can blame the one who apparently could not resist unethical behavior.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
21. You aren't arguing about how it happened because you don't understand how it happened.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 01:13 PM
Dec 2015

And that means you are in NO position to make any judgments regarding whether or not unethical behavior occurred. You shouldn't speak about things you know nothing about.

Many of us Bernie supporters give Hillary the benefit of the doubt on the cooked up email BS. I wish you would have enough class to do so the same.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
25. Don't attack me because this staff member is unethical, attach the person who did the deed. Sanders
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 01:18 PM
Dec 2015

has responded correctly, he fired him, where is the ethics? Is this going to be the lasting story of Sanders campaign? I do not need to be badgered, talk about having class.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
40. If I had all the facts in front of me and it seemed that was the case, hypothetically I would.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 02:09 PM
Dec 2015

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
32. None of them do.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 01:45 PM
Dec 2015

But, they've suddenly become "data security experts" when they ignored their own candidate's far-worse position on the private and unsecured server for months.

I work in data security. This is a non-issue. The breach was reported prior and within 30 minutes of the latest event. Most breaches go unnoticed for six to eight months. That this was over with and done in 30 minutes is record-breaking in terms of breach resolution.

No data was downloaded. No data was hacked.

End of story.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
38. Yea, same here. I've developed front end GUI, databases and all the tiers in between for 15 years.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 02:02 PM
Dec 2015

Some developer screwed up and exposed the wrong data to the wrong people... whether it was from a lack of checking permissions or one of the millions of other things that one could do to cause that, I don't know. But you know whats up. This is absurd.

Renew Deal

(84,532 posts)
14. The "peeking" is meaningless
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 12:50 PM
Dec 2015

Do they have evidence that they kept the files? That they used the files? Did they sell the files? Did they break in or did one more item appear in their menus? So far the story is that they identified the issue and were documenting it. If that is untrue, or if someone inside gave Sanders access then you have a story.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
22. It isn't Sanders, it is his campaign staff, he should come out strong and say this, that he has
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 01:14 PM
Dec 2015

terminated the staff member. This excusing information is not helping Sanders, it is hurting.

Renew Deal

(84,532 posts)
24. I don't think most voters care
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 01:16 PM
Dec 2015

It's not hurting or helping. I do wonder why they fired the whistleblower. It seems like an over-reaction.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
26. Then perhaps the repeated over and over posting is the over-reaction. If voters don't care
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 01:20 PM
Dec 2015

why continue to remind them dozens of times, allow Sanders to handle this properly before it is totally overblown.

Renew Deal

(84,532 posts)
27. I agree
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 01:24 PM
Dec 2015

Really it's us talking to each other. I doubt the man on the street knows anything about it.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
7. He meant no harm, had warned them of bugs previously but they kept cropping up so he was
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 12:40 PM
Dec 2015

Trying to see if Bernies data could be compromised. Thing is - even if the data vendor is so lax on security - the debugging of their system and trouble shooting HAS to be done by them.

It's almost like they were doing a crappy job, and repeatedly not fixing things, just to egg a real pro into trouble shooting.... So they could spring the trap and say all the effed up stuff they are saying now.

Otherwise, if that is NOT the case, then they are really too lame to be in the business. It is TOO easy to give all campaigns access to the same core records WHILE keeping their own additions hashed & secure from each other. That is, easy If you are a competent data base designer& administrator. Sounds like these bozos are neither.

Renew Deal

(84,532 posts)
15. The simplest explanation is the most likely.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 12:52 PM
Dec 2015

It's like the old "Why do you rob banks? That's where the money is" line.

And I don't think the conspiracy theory is very simple.

You're blaming the Database Administrators, but the issue is more likely with the people that give rights.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
19. The people that setup rights for data exposure wouldn't be members of either campaign.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 01:10 PM
Dec 2015

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
8. Politics as usual paid for by a guy that fell on his sword poviding plausible deniability.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 12:43 PM
Dec 2015

If they found a security breach, they should have gone straight to the DNC.

Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #8)

 

Leftyforever

(317 posts)
29. They did !!
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 01:37 PM
Dec 2015

This episode really shows that Clinton doesn't hold a candle to Sander's on Integrity or Policy... all the Clintonistas are freaking out trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill cause they got nothing else to stand on. Sad

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
34. A person without integrity decided to steal information in order to give Sanders an advantage.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 01:50 PM
Dec 2015

It appears that the only way people see for Sanders to have a shot is to steal.

Firing that person is called damage control. Sanders is not the first politician to do that and will not be the last.

The sad thing about information like this is that once it is out it does not go back in.

It is a pity that theft of data, in this case, will not lead to real criminal charges.




 

Leftyforever

(317 posts)
35. You sound like you know all the facts when you do not
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 01:54 PM
Dec 2015

Stop trying to paint this in your favor when you just don't know the facts yet.... sad...

edgineered

(2,101 posts)
31. He was searching for a vendor selling server wiping cloth.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 01:42 PM
Dec 2015

A well known endorsement of the product was fairly recent.

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