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Were living in a kleptocracy: America robs from its poor while its infrastructure crumblesThe U.S. fancies itself the world leader in clean government, even as we methodically bankrupt our disenfranchised.
Rebecca Gordon - Salon
Sunday, Nov 29, 2015 12:30 PM PST
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A top government official with energy industry holdings huddles in secret with oil company executives to work out the details of a potentially lucrative national energy policy. Later, that same official steers billions of government dollars to his former oil-field services company. Well-paid elected representatives act with impunity, routinely trading government contracts and other favors for millions of dollars. Meanwhile, ordinary citizens live in fear of venal police forces that suck them dry by charging fees for services, throwing them in jail when they cant pay arbitrary fines or selling their court debts to private companies. Sometimes the police just take peoples life savings leaving them with no recourse whatsoever. Sometimes they steal and deal drugs on the side. Meanwhile, the countrys infrastructure crumbles. Bridges collapse, or take a quarter-century to fix after a natural disaster, or (despite millions spent) turn out not to be fixed at all. Many citizens regard their government at all levels with a weary combination of cynicism and contempt. Fundamentalist groups respond by calling for a return to religious values and the imposition of religious law.
What country is this? Could it be Nigeria or some other kleptocratic developing state? Or post-invasion Afghanistan where Ahmed Wali Karzai, CIA asset and brother of the U.S.-installed president Hamid Karzai, made many millions on the opium trade (which the U.S. was ostensibly trying to suppress), while his brother Mahmoud raked in millions more from the fraud-ridden Bank of Kabul? Or could it be Mexico, where the actions of both the government and drug cartels have created perhaps the worlds first narco-terrorist state?
In fact, everything in this list happened (and much of it is still happening) in the United States, the world leader or so we like to think in clean government. These days, however, according to the Corruption Perception Index of Transparency International (TI), our country comes in only 17th in the least-corrupt sweepstakes, trailing European and Scandinavian countries as well as Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. In fact, TI considers us on a par with Caribbean island nations like Barbados and the Bahamas. In the U.S., TI says, from fraud and embezzlement charges to the failure to uphold ethical standards, there are multiple cases of corruption at the federal, state and local level.
And heres a reasonable bet: its not going to get better any time soon and it could get a lot worse. When it comes to the growth of American corruption, one of TIs key concerns is the how the Supreme Courts 2010 Citizens United decision opened the pay-to-play floodgates of the political system, allowing Super PACs to pour billions of private and corporate money into it, sometimes in complete secrecy. Citizens United undammed the wealth of the super-rich and their enablers, allowing big donors like casino capitalist a description that couldnt be more literal Sheldon Adelson to use their millions to influence government policy.
Kleptocracy USA?
Every now and then, a book changes the way you see the world. Its like shaking a kaleidoscope and suddenly all the bits and pieces fall into a new pattern. Sarah Chayess Thieves of State: Why Corruption Threatens Global Security shook my kaleidoscope. Chayes traveled to Afghanistan in 2001 as a reporter for NPR. Moved by the land and people, she soon gave up reporting to devote herself to working with non-governmental organizations helping Afghans rebuild their shattered but extraordinary country.
In the process, she came to understand the central role government corruption plays in the collapse of nations and the rise of fundamentalist organizations like the Taliban, al-Qaeda, and the Islamic State. She also discovered just how unable (and often unwilling) American military and civilian officials were to put a stop to the thievery that characterized Afghanistans government at every level from the skimming of billions in reconstruction funds at the top to the daily drumbeat of demands for bribes and fees from ordinary citizens seeking any kind of government service further down the chain of organized corruption. In general, writes Chayes, kleptocratic countries operate very much as pyramid schemes, with people at one level paying those at the next for the privilege of extracting money from those below.
Chayes suggests that acute government corruption may be a major factor at the root of the violent extremism now spreading across the Greater Middle East and Africa. When government robs ordinary people blind, in what she calls a vertically integrated criminal enterprise, the victims tend to look for justice elsewhere. When officials treat the law with criminal contempt, or when the law explicitly permits government extortion, they turn to what seem like uncorrupted systems of reprisal and redemption outside those laws. Increasingly, they look to God or Gods laws and, of course, to Gods self-proclaimed representatives. The result can be dangerously violent explosions of anger and retribution. Eruptions can take the form of the Puritan iconoclasm that rocked Catholic Europe in the sixteenth century or present-day attempts by the Taliban or the Islamic State to implement a harsh, even vindictive version of Islamic Sharia law, while attacking unbelievers in the territory they control.
Reading Thieves of State, it didnt take long for my mind to wander from Kabul to Washington...
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More: http://www.salon.com/2015/11/29/were_living_in_a_kleptocracy_america_robs_from_its_poor_while_its_infrastructure_crumbles_partner/
The Blue Traveller
(60 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Wage earner. Nope, it will mean less money in their pocket.
The Blue Traveller
(60 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)The Blue Traveller
(60 posts)vs 1300+ premiums paid every month for a family of 4 (or more).
You keep the $1300 A MONTH.
Bernie's wage plan will cover that and MORE.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)A premium and taking $6.50 would really be hurting them.
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Good luck with that.
What astounds me is, Sanders supporters actually believe, are even convinced, that Bernie Sanders can make a national $15 p/hr minimum happen. Or free public college. Or break up the banks. Or Medicare-for-all. Uh huh. Pie. In. The. Sky.
I ask Sanders supporters, considering the above are all domestic policy which falls under purview of Congress' constitutional powers...with what Congress can a President Sanders get any of those through?
He ain't got NO friends amongst Democrats, and he certainly won't get any Republican cooperation there.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)Stupid!
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)The Blue Traveller
(60 posts)You no longer have to pay the premiums. Your taxes at work.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)That's why it would be "Medicare for all" or single-payer.
You may pay about $2-$6 more a week in taxes, but you would not longer have to pay your share of your employers premium and would no longer have the $20-$45 a visit deductible.
Poor and middle class people would save a TREMENDOUS amount of money!
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)A stay in the hospital is $200, and a $217 deductable yearly. It I not free.
tazkcmo
(7,419 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)The Blue Traveller
(60 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)On Taxes.
pengu
(462 posts)but you knew that.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,689 posts)There is a reason why every other democracy in the world and even others choose single payer for all.....It is the cheapest over all.
The simple reason, for those deathly afraid of the word "socialism" can be also explained by the idea of "pooling your money to get the best deal", if that goes down better for you. If every tax payer in the country is compelled to pay into the pool, as they do for many other things like the military, police, education...., the costs and risks are spread way further, thus it ends up costing less.
And when you add the reduced expense to the fact that every citizen is covered from birth to death its a no-brainer when you thinkabout it.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)I understand when there are premiums and co pays in other countries. Maybe if you investigated further you would understand there is a cost paid by citizens plus a much higher rate of taxes, no it will not be free. I don't have anything against a national health insurance, just wish everyone will realize it is not free, we will pay.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,689 posts)And that usage of "free" is wrong. I agree. I wish they would stop that.
The misuse is due to the fact that once you pay your bill, (or even if you get behind), that it here in Canada, because health care is a right, and not a privilege, one does not have to pay anything when one visits the doctor or has to go to the emergency, or even a complicated open-heart surgery and weeks of hospital stay. But yes, there is usually a monthly fee for employed persons. But the most you will pay is around $100 a month for a full time working person with a high paying job. If you are poorer, you do not pay anything. You can change doctors, move across the country, it doesn't change. You are covered from the time you are born to your last breath. That alone is reason enough IMO even IF it cost more. But it is actually cheaper OVERALL
Once again, it is cheap because everyone, that earns enough, must pay a nominal fee. The cost is spread over many more people, plus because it is all federally regulated, there is more streamlining of procedures and costs, and the standard is set across the country. Plus no payouts to big CEOs, executives, and shareholders. Its run as non-profit.
There is a reason why Canadians voted Tommy Douglas, the preacher/politician, and "father of universal medicare" the Greatest Canadian in history, and that the UK began its London Olympic opening ceremony with a long tribute to their National Healthcare Service.
Seriously, this is another thing the Democrats are woefully pathetic at....explaining to Americans, especially the small c conservatives, and highlight the cost savings to taxpayers even WITH that monthly fee.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)To insurance companies. A good friend works out of the US and his international policy has a clause to get medical procedures done in other countries because of the cost in the US. A lot of chatter is going to get health care for all without looking to cutting the cost, focus on getting the cost down should be priority.
Vinca
(53,994 posts)tazkcmo
(7,419 posts)You rail against single payer because it'll hurt the workers but that $6.50 tax will eliminate the $1300 premium that no minimum wage worker is paying anyway. Everyday you insult us low wage workers with your backwards math where single payer costs us more than for profit healthcare and your "concern" about our financial well being. Now we know what your "thinking about" and it isn't the workers' bank balance unless you're "thinking about" taking it.
cannabis_flower
(3,932 posts)The worker doesn't have insurance and has $3000 worth of unpaid medical bills, bad credit and can't get his teeth fixed or his asthma medicine.
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)who actually have health care pay COUNTY HOSPITAL TAXES for those who don't have insurance. So, I pay for health insurance AND the taxes!
So many people think no further than the tip of their nose!!!
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)tecelote
(5,156 posts)tazkcmo
(7,419 posts)In fact, probably would make more money.
merrily
(45,251 posts)proposes something unpopular on the surface and, suddenly, it's a done deal.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)She and Bill are financially part of the 1%. The 1% is funding her campaign. The evidence is there but some refuse to look. They would rather have a strong authoritarian government that promises security than freedom and liberties.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)"no new taxes. taxed enough already"
Like reading freeperville or the new hate site.
The Blue Traveller
(60 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)7962
(11,841 posts)One of their posts made the front page yesterday ( how am i supposed to know its from the "we love hillary no matter what" forum?) and I merely commented that the attack on another poster was odd and was blocked immediately. Of course, after that there were several snide responses to ME, which I could not answer!
Dustlawyer
(10,539 posts)my lack of response knowing I couldn't respond.
There are people like that in both camps, don't deny it. Try to make sound arguements and ignore the crap slingers. The one arguement the Hillary camp cannot address head on with reasoned arguements is the effect of all of those corporate donations and speaking fees has on HRC. The HRC followers you see all of the time making the most bizarre arguements and attacks must be paid by Hillary's campaign. There is nothing you can say to them that makes a difference.
Despite them Bernie will win as long as we keep spreading his message and work our community!
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)but they are few and far between.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)are policed with an intensity and thoroughness that would draw whistles of admiration from the KGB or the Stasi.
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)tazkcmo
(7,419 posts)You always pop up to criticize a tax increase that saves people money. I know, some lazy, able bodied person who refuses to work might get something for free so you don't want the rest of us to save money and get real healthcare as opposed to paying insurance premiums for a product we can't afford to use. Not surprising that you think that making 250k/year puts one in the middle class.
Good read.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)For instance: UBS hired former Sen. Phil Gramm and later former President Bill Clinton and expretzel George W Bush. Since the repeal of Glass-Steagal, they've specialized in all kinds of Wealth Management:
http://financialservicesinc.ubs.com/revitalizingamerica/SenatorPhilGramm.html
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)K/R for Willy
salib
(2,116 posts)"Government is not the solution, government is the problem."
What can we expect except that people will take advantage when this country has elected those who do not believe in government.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Karma13612
(4,981 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Vote for Goldman-Sachs and watch the poverty rate climb.
GummyBearz
(2,931 posts)The same people perplexed about poor white people that vote R (against their own economic interests) are doing the exact same thing by voting HRC. Unless they are part of the 1%... in which case I don't know why they are on DU when there is snow in Aspen and sunshine in Beverly Hills that they should be enjoying.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)And it is blindingly obvious to ANYONE who is paying attention.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)I spent some time abroad during my formative years in a place where the corruption is open and in your face every day. It was an amazing place, but I always felt we'd go back home and things would be "normal" again. We came home a few years later, and it was surreal for me. I looked at the world I'd left and come back to, and realized it was the same as where I had been...it's just that here, some effort was being made to make it not look obvious. Over the years, the polite fiction was barely being kept up, to where we are now.
There are lots of people who tell me this is the best we can do as humans. There is no better system than ours.
If we can't do better, we're screwn.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)refute this OP.
And congrats for going a day or two w/o an alert.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)What is there to refute, exactly? It's only nutcases who believe Hillary is running as the "pro-corruption" candidate. And there is no way to talk sense into a nutcase, so why bother?
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
DrBulldog
(841 posts)Bernie Sanders is probably our last chance for the next 50 years. He has been always there 100% for us, and yet came out of nowhere, as a gift of the gods.
If the millennials get off their lazy asses they could easily save us.
If American blows this, we will be oppressed and obstructed by corporate and wall street power - who are at their absolute peak now in the same way as it was when FDR created his revolution - for DECADES, no matter how many women or other Democrats we put in the White House.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)stop us. Sen Sanders has done wonders in opening people's eyes and giving them hope that we might be able to fight the corrupt 1% owned, government. We will continue to fight on all fronts. Sen Warren will be a big help in keeping the dream alive.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)And while the establishment still refuses to get it, if there isn't a substantial change soon, then it will come outside the normal channels of power...again.
Most of what we have gained recently has come from the ground up and was opposed by our party "leaders." They bend, or something else will have to happen.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)And fairness.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)love_katz
(3,261 posts)Thespian2
(2,741 posts)Another great piece, WillyT...
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)Should be a subplot for Once Upon a Time in the coming weeks, though you know the corporate media wouldn't allow a plot like that!
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)All this unnecessary pumping and dumping and massive speculating that leads to real world wars, drilling, waste and corruption, for nothing but extra digital dots of currency they will never use. Little games to them that lead to real world consequences, real world suffering for so many, for the enhanced luxury of so few. All fed to them in a corporate media bubble financed by themselves to keep themselves ignorant.
Nobody wants to know how they undermine democracy abroad. How they enslave children. How they destabilize regions. How they destroy vital ecosystems. Is it any wonder they ignore climate science? Who wants to hear that ones life's work, in the end, was slightly less effective than the Death Star?
We got a bunch of people running around today who imagine themselves to be Han, when in reality, they are Lando.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Like making a million dollars off a $100,000 investment in some stock in just 1 year.
Sounds to me like "Thieves of State" could be written about 1 famous family that heads one of the wealthiest foundations in the world.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)A Democracy!! I DO NOT recognize or know what this country now stands for!! Mostly it seems ONLY WAR that profits those at the TOP!
I'm so VERY, VERY fed up, but more I'm afraid that FEAR is what runs this country!
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)including the presidency, we are no longer free. Now the 1% is buying state races and even school boards. nm
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)We now live in a fascist, klepto-kakistocracy.
Kakistocracy (definition): Government by the least qualified or most unprincipled citizens.
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)was making calls trying to inform people about a meeting for our New Democratic PROGRESSIVE Party group! We are working to mobilize enough people for a local "grassroots" organization here in this very RED county in Florida. Trump was here this past weekend, I was gone so missed it.
Not sure when the STATE By-Laws got organized, but now they've begun to get counties to form their own groups. This isn't the state Democratic Party because too many people are SICK of how far right the Democrats in the Legislature have gotten. So I JUMPED at the chance too join THIS Democratic Progressive Caucus!
So many Democrats here simply have become FED UP and don't vote, but they also don't know where to turn because right now all we have are the local Democratic Parties who are mostly DINOS! All over the state, even counties that are considered "blue" can't seem to elect a Democrat!
It's only a start and will take a very long time to see real change but at least we've begun!! The state Democratic Chairman has already announced her support for Hillary! We're not even sure if this is legal, but what can ya do? This is the state from which Debbie Wasserman-Schultz hails. I, and so many like me have HAD it because like so many states in this country we wonder WHY we should vote because Democrats LIE to get elected and then actually VOTE with Repubs after they get elected.
Tallahassee is so very DINO and controls the money. The Koch's have total control over Florida State University in Tallahassee and actually hand picked the President of the University!!
Anyway, I'm just ranting along about what almost everyone here knows. But, the fact that this Democratic PROGRESSIVE Caucus has filed all the paperwork and set up By-Laws and elected officers and directors is quite AMAZING!
I need to mention one more thing... even though only a small group attended, around 25... every single one of us is a Bernie supporter. There are more members, just not at the meeting. But we did have to pledge that we will vote for the Democratic nominee to be a member. OH WELL! This is a BIG deal regardless!
but does deserve some
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Thanks you the post, and all of your efforts!
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)so badly needed! I can't say this enough, or LOUD enough, though you can't hear me through my PC!
I know how much you yourself have done for Bernie and follow your posts ALL THE TIME!
Again Thank You!
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Back in the day, we called them teach-ins.
Most people were not then, and are not now, being taught the myriad ways we are all being screwed. Teach-ins opened people's eyes.
Draft some young people you know personally... ask them what they would do...
Put some bulletins up on local high-school/college campuses offering intern positions for helping out. (Always looks good on a resume...)
Have them come up with ideas you've never thought of.
Think. Have fun. Create change... CHANGE THE WORLD !
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Not clear at all that Hillary does