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Evidence points to Ryan Braun Juicing. (Original Post) trumad Dec 2011 OP
and also, he got caught chelsea0011 Dec 2011 #1
They should take away the MVP and give it to Kemp. sarcasmo Dec 2011 #2
Sounds like he's going to TZ Dec 2011 #3
exactly trumad Dec 2011 #4
Yep TZ Dec 2011 #5
There is nothing in his stats that I can see to prove, or disprove, juicing. ScreamingMeemie Dec 2011 #6
From 2010 to 2011 trumad Dec 2011 #8
Not in an unusual manner. HuckleB Dec 2011 #11
his 2011 stats are more in line with his 2009 stats charlie and algernon Dec 2011 #16
No MVP No HOF proudultraliberal Dec 2011 #7
Yup. HuckleB Dec 2011 #13
I hate this... joeybee12 Dec 2011 #9
So do I trumad Dec 2011 #10
My guess is that plenty of 'em don't get caught. HuckleB Dec 2011 #12
PS: HuckleB Dec 2011 #14
These are JUICING stats. HuckleB Dec 2011 #15
And Boone's age is a key give away too. charlie and algernon Dec 2011 #17
Exactly. -eom- HuckleB Dec 2011 #18
Goes to show you how great Barry Bonds truly was Ter Dec 2011 #19
Bonds was a great player trumad Dec 2011 #20
Ouch philosopher215 Mar 2012 #21

TZ

(42,998 posts)
3. Sounds like he's going to
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 12:35 PM
Dec 2011

Use the old accidental ingestion excuse. Ive heard the theory that he released this news himself to help with it. For the record I'm skeptical of that claim.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
6. There is nothing in his stats that I can see to prove, or disprove, juicing.
Sun Dec 11, 2011, 09:25 PM
Dec 2011
I'm taking a wait and see. But then again, this whole thing has been kind of silly, in my opinion, since the beginning of it.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
11. Not in an unusual manner.
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 11:16 PM
Dec 2011

Look at all five years. The stats ebb and flow quite like one would expect.

If he is guilty, he is guilty. But the stats don't show it.

charlie and algernon

(13,447 posts)
16. his 2011 stats are more in line with his 2009 stats
Tue Dec 13, 2011, 10:18 AM
Dec 2011

Taken as a whole, it looks like he really broke out in 2009, dipped a little in 2010 and then came back in 2011. As HuckleB says, it looks like the normal ebb and flow between seasons.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
9. I hate this...
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 12:23 PM
Dec 2011

It really sucks...I hope he didn't, but he probably did...it's cheating and in this day and age did he think he WOULDN'T get caught?

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
12. My guess is that plenty of 'em don't get caught.
Mon Dec 12, 2011, 11:17 PM
Dec 2011

The tests are always behind the ability to get around the tests.

Don't pretend otherwise.

Oddly, some bring up Kemp. If we're looking at stats, isn't he a possible juicer?

charlie and algernon

(13,447 posts)
17. And Boone's age is a key give away too.
Tue Dec 13, 2011, 10:23 AM
Dec 2011

Boone's spike came when he was 32 and then sustained itself till he was 35. That's way out of the normal career progression.

Braun meanwhile is still in the so-called prime of his career, when he SHOULD be hitting these numbers. I have absolutely no idea whether or not Braun used PED's, but his stats do not show it.

 

Ter

(4,281 posts)
19. Goes to show you how great Barry Bonds truly was
Sat Dec 24, 2011, 06:00 AM
Dec 2011

Here we have an MVP caught juicing, many years younger than Bonds, and putting up nowhere's near the numbers of someone in his late 30's.

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
20. Bonds was a great player
Sat Dec 24, 2011, 08:53 AM
Dec 2011

and a hall of famer without the juice.

Unfortunately he was a world class egotist and couldn't stand what Sosa and McGuire were doing while they were juicing.

philosopher215

(22 posts)
21. Ouch
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 09:25 PM
Mar 2012

Ouch... that is one in consistent juicer. You sure this that inconsistency isn't better explained by luck?

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