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Denninmi

(6,581 posts)
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 05:29 AM Oct 2012

Another WTF moment in my life yesterday: Really? Seriously, Doc, Really?

Had a follow up appointment yesterday with the psychiatrist. The last time I was there, a major topic of our discussion was my deep fear of being stigmatized, treated differently, and all of the things in my own mind that I felt it could lead to. And I told her I was really, really debating about what, if anything, to tell family and the greater outside world.

She asked yesterday about this, and I told her my decision to keep absolutely quiet and not tell anyone.

It was her reaction and comments that threw me for a loop.

She said that she felt it was important for patients to not "feel any shame" in their diagnosis and to be open about it, because she felt that everyone involved with mental health issues from any position, patients, professionals, family, etc., should be open because it helps to break down the stigma against people with mental illness. And, more importantly, she said that she worries about patients who suffer from shame or fear about the issue because it leads to anxiety and depression. She is right in theory, I can see all of that. And it does a disservice to everyone else in the world that I feel this way, I know it is something I shouldn't feel ashamed of. But I do, deeply.

And in practice, sorry, I'm not ready to be a Rosa Parks or a Caesar Chavez and stand up, no matter how just the cause. It's just not in me, I'm doing pretty well, in my opinion, just picking up the shattered pieces of my life.

So, WTF -- if she had just done what I wanted to do in the first place, handle this all very discretely, I wouldn't be in the position of having to hide these big events in my life from the entire world. Like spending 3 weeks at the psychiatric ward, and then having to try to explain away why I needed time off from work, and trying to explain away at home all of the resulting chain of events which came about from the unbelievable stress of the whole thing. I know that I gave her ample good reason to insist upon it, but I still feel rather betrayed that I was forced into doing something that I didn't want to do.

And above all, I wouldn't be in the position of fearing that my life could be ruined by the shame and stigma of this whole thing if it just had been handled very quietly. And yes, it does lead to depression, because I'm about a depressed today as I have been since I "got out" of the psychiatric ward. Depression with a heaping side of anxiety.

I know she's right, I know I'm wrong, but I just can't go there right now and confront it. Because I still think if the world really knew what went on with me, what is going on with me, it's out in the gutter with me. Same old fear. Same old irrational fear.

So, another thing I have to overcome, how I am feeling right now, which is low and worthless and fearful. I've wallowed in it for 14 hours, I'm done with it by the end of the day because I refuse to give in to this, and I'm NEVER going back to where I was this summer, NEVER. Time to put on the game face and get going, because that's the only way I know to fight it.

But I really would love to ask her, in the sarcastic smart alec way Amy Poehler used to say it in those Weekend Update segments on Saturday Night Live, "Really, Doctor, Really????"

I may be wrong, but I'm still pissed off.

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Another WTF moment in my life yesterday: Really? Seriously, Doc, Really? (Original Post) Denninmi Oct 2012 OP
You're not wrong, she's not right, elleng Oct 2012 #1
That's my concern, that society isn't accepting of this. Denninmi Oct 2012 #2
Dear Den, you are not 'morally in the wrong.' elleng Oct 2012 #3
And the flip side of this issue is ... Denninmi Oct 2012 #4
ask her if you can come live in her perfect world. mopinko Oct 2012 #5
Well, no matter what, I really appreciate all of you here. Denninmi Oct 2012 #6
She must have felt she had to challenge your thinking libodem Oct 2012 #7
I'm with, mo Tobin S. Oct 2012 #8
This is going to be the topic of conversation tomorrow with my therapist. Denninmi Oct 2012 #9
At least you have this group for support libodem Oct 2012 #10
Yes, I do have DU MHS for support. Denninmi Oct 2012 #11
Glad you have a place to vent libodem Oct 2012 #12
I've been working on this one in my mind. Denninmi Oct 2012 #13
Is this the doctor that is prescribing your meds? Tobin S. Oct 2012 #14
Yup, the one and only. Denninmi Oct 2012 #15

elleng

(135,255 posts)
1. You're not wrong, she's not right,
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:35 AM
Oct 2012

and vice versa.

You're right from your point of view, as in, day to day survival in your world; she's right for her profession, but sorry doc, we're not there yet; the 'world' isn't OK w psychiatric illness.

And there's also alcoholics anonymous.

Interested to see where Tobin is on this.

Denninmi

(6,581 posts)
2. That's my concern, that society isn't accepting of this.
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:55 AM
Oct 2012

Honestly, I'm in the wrong here on several issues, I freely admit that. Morally in the wrong, but on a practical level, I see it as a matter of self-preservation.

The one thing I told her was that it would be nice if society were as open minded about this as some of the professionals who keep insisting there is no problem here with coming out.

I guess I can hope the acceptance level increases over the years as it did with the GLBT community. But they got there because a lot of courageous people fought for their rights and for acceptance. And it was a very hard struggle that still isn't over.

I'm pretty drained of that kind of courage.

Denninmi

(6,581 posts)
4. And the flip side of this issue is ...
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 11:23 AM
Oct 2012

By hiding it, I will always feel I have to constantly be on guard, like I have to
look over my shoulder and wonder who is figuring it out, always wonder when one little slip up, like someone seeing an envelope in my mail, is going to give me away.

That's not a good way to live, either.

Damned if I do, and damned if I don't. A real deal with the Devil either way.

mopinko

(71,472 posts)
5. ask her if you can come live in her perfect world.
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 02:01 PM
Oct 2012

she is right in general, but it is not her call to make. you are also entitled to your privacy. i have psycho-medical issues that i do not share with every tom, dick and harry.
i am sure that a lot of people would not only relate, but better understand some of the things i do, like blow things off at the last minute because i am just too tired. but from there, lots of people would take one more step and find me to be someone who is 'defective'. i'll stick with the vague impression that i am slightly unreliable, thanks.

i think you will slowly let your guard down with people who will understand. but you can and should do it in your own time. until then, there is nothing wrong with being a private person.

Denninmi

(6,581 posts)
6. Well, no matter what, I really appreciate all of you here.
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 02:17 PM
Oct 2012

Sorry I vent so much, I am really still terrified of this entire thing.

I wouldn't have made it this far without your support. It means more to me than you'll ever know

libodem

(19,288 posts)
7. She must have felt she had to challenge your thinking
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 10:49 PM
Oct 2012

Mental illness falls into thought disorders and emotional/mood disorders. Sounds like you might have a bit of both.
There are some classes that help identify thinking errors.
They become habitual. The thoughts drive how a persons feels. Not the other way around.

I have a bit of a shame based personality. I understand your reluctance to be exposed.

Tobin S.

(10,420 posts)
8. I'm with, mo
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 05:23 AM
Oct 2012

You know where I stand with this issue. I've been saying all along that it's your personal business that nobody else really needs to know. I don't think you owe anyone an explanation. That is how I handle it in my own life and it's working out well with me.

Denninmi

(6,581 posts)
9. This is going to be the topic of conversation tomorrow with my therapist.
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:57 PM
Oct 2012

The one I trust completely. I'll get her opinion.

My opinion right now is still the same, I can just articulate it better. This woman's approach left me about as low as I have ever been in my life, made me feel like some kind of common criminal ,totally crushed my self-esteem, left me lying, covering up, and looking over my shoulder for God knows how long, but I'm not supposed to feel bad about it? Really? It's all rainbows and puppies from here on out? Really?

A "What the Fuck" moment of epic proportions in my life.

The nurse at the hospital, who was one of the kindest people I think I have ever met, gave me three names of doctors she thought were really good. On the sly because she wasn't really supposed to. I think I'm going to call a couple of their offices and see if they're taking new patients. I already had a bad feeling about this woman, when she wouldn't go to bat for me when I was at the hospital, this just cements it.

Pardon my cynicism, I was feeling a lot better about the situation, now I'm right back in the black hole again and I don't see a way out.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
10. At least you have this group for support
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 04:43 PM
Oct 2012

The people here seem to listen and be helpful. You are liked and cared about here. We all share a bit of the same troubles Belonging someplace is a small comfort I hope.
Shop for a doc that suits you. You are under no obligation to share your history with family or at work.
It would be nice if gossip didn't spread like wild fire. I lived in a small town. My mom taught me that if a secret is to be kept secret you can't tell one person. That one person will tell just one other and so on and so on.

Keeping everything in and living in fear of anyone finding out and judging you must lead to at least some small sense of isolation.

Denninmi

(6,581 posts)
11. Yes, I do have DU MHS for support.
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 06:01 PM
Oct 2012

And none of you can ever know how much it means to me. You honestly feel like the only friends I have in the world right now. I'm sorry I'm such a needy mess, I am trying to pick up the pieces, but it's really hard.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
12. Glad you have a place to vent
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 06:10 PM
Oct 2012

Sometimes an outlet is essential. It's not even the advise most people seek. Just a place to be heard. Talking and writing helps a person get stuff out in the open to examine. It's theraputic.

Denninmi

(6,581 posts)
13. I've been working on this one in my mind.
Sat Oct 27, 2012, 06:21 AM
Oct 2012

Rather than repeat the whole thing, it's easier to post a link to another MH forum where I've been posting a bit. This is my current thinking about all of this, especially in the two replies I posted.

http://www.crazyboards.org/forums/index.php/blog/1582/entry-47187-how-much-should-i-fear-stigma/

Tobin S.

(10,420 posts)
14. Is this the doctor that is prescribing your meds?
Sat Oct 27, 2012, 08:28 AM
Oct 2012

I don't have a problem with changing doctors if things aren't working out. Just be sure you have someone else lined up so there isn't an interruption in getting your meds.

Denninmi

(6,581 posts)
15. Yup, the one and only.
Sat Oct 27, 2012, 09:13 AM
Oct 2012

I put it off a couple of days due to stress and circumstances, but last night I found the three names the nurse gave me, and I looked up all of their websites. All look promising, one is less than a mile from work, one is a couple of miles, and the third is about two miles from my house.

Monday phone calls.

Also, another reason why I think both this one and the house dr. at Beaumont are sloppy, they both have been writing prescriptions for lamictal willy nilly without tracking anything. I have about 4-5 months of outstanding scripts. The ass at Beaumont wrote like three months worth in a 10 day span. Sloppy.

If I absolutely can't get into someone else in 4 weeks, I will grit my teeth and go to her one last time.

Don't worry about me, I have no intention of fucking this up.

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