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pnwmom

(109,419 posts)
Sun Sep 25, 2022, 09:02 PM Sep 2022

One of my siblings wants me to help her remain in the closet our father left decades ago.

Dad had moved out to live with his partner in another city, while Mom remained in the town they'd made their home in. She insisted that none of us tell our friends, from high school or anywhere else, about the reason for the divorce. This was in the era of AIDS, the "gay man's disease," and my husband and I were settling into life in another state, thousands of miles away. So this wasn't a hard secret to keep.

Fast forward to now: a year ago I told my Red-State-sister that I'd written a novel, and that I was getting some positive feedback, and the protagonist had a gay father. Would she like to read it before I sent it to agents? No, she didn't want to. And she tried (and failed) to get me to promise that if I ever published it, I would use a pseudonym.

By then she was living more than a thousand miles away from where we went to high school, and we both use our husbands' surnames -- so the chances of any of her Red State friends finding out that her Blue State sister had written a novel with a gay father were incredibly small. I decided it wasn't worth fighting about because the odds of getting it published were tiny.

But now the odds aren't quite as tiny. I have an agent who is getting ready to submit my novel to editors. My agent asked if I was willing to tell the editors that this was an "own voice" story, and I said yes. I've shared biographical information with her that she'll be passing along. I'm done with hiding my parents' secret. They're both gone now and I can't hurt them -- and the story is entirely fictional. I don't even think our parents would have had a problem with it. But I do have that Red State sister, and I'm almost afraid to bring up the topic.

Isn't it sad that, after all this time, my sister still carries the burden of sadness and shame that our parents carried for so long? But there is no way I'm going to work so hard on a novel only to see it published with a fake name!

I hope that my novel finds a home, and I don't lose a sister if it does. . .



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One of my siblings wants me to help her remain in the closet our father left decades ago. (Original Post) pnwmom Sep 2022 OP
Touched cilla4progress Sep 2022 #1
Thank you, cilla4progress. pnwmom Sep 2022 #3
It's fiction and your parents are gone... brush Sep 2022 #2
Yes, I will be revealing to the publisher that I had a gay father and a straight mother. pnwmom Sep 2022 #4
Being true to yourself is first and foremost. magicarpet Sep 2022 #5
Thank you, magicarpet! n/t pnwmom Sep 2022 #6
Best of luck with your book! Keep us posted. MLAA Sep 2022 #7
((pnwmom)) blm Sep 2022 #8
I think your sister will be so proud of "her sister, the author", she will forget to be sad and LoisB Sep 2022 #9
I wish you success with this book RainCaster Sep 2022 #10
Hope it does great vercetti2021 Sep 2022 #11
Send an email anytime. Tetrachloride Sep 2022 #12
Please take good care of yourself. You are much loved and valued here. niyad Sep 2022 #18
Sounds like the book is more important than Tetrachloride Sep 2022 #13
So I have to stay closeted my whole life because my younger sister wants to remain in one? pnwmom Sep 2022 #14
That is your dilemma. i would use the pen name. Tetrachloride Sep 2022 #15
My agent explained that the publishers prefer REAL people, not pen names -- so that could be pnwmom Sep 2022 #16
Seems to me that the sister is creating an unnecessary burden. progressoid Sep 2022 #17
You are kidding, yes? "betray the request of a good family member"? Where did you niyad Sep 2022 #19
I am not kidding. Tetrachloride Sep 2022 #23
Absolutely unreal. niyad Sep 2022 #25
I didn't betray my sister. I just didn't agree to what she wanted. n/t pnwmom Sep 2022 #31
Pnwmom, you are a good soul Hekate Sep 2022 #20
Thank you so much, Hekate, for reaching out! pnwmom Sep 2022 #27
I still have the hard copy signed by my Committee on my shelf at home, & 2 photocopies ... Hekate Sep 2022 #29
Beyond reassuring your sister that you'll use your married name Warpy Sep 2022 #21
I don't blame my mother. Imagine the life she had, growing up in her era, pnwmom Sep 2022 #26
I am sooooo happy and excited for you! Looking forward to reading it. I am niyad Sep 2022 #22
Thank you, niyad! n/t pnwmom Sep 2022 #28
Take care of yourself first... JoeOtterbein Sep 2022 #24
They all have "black sheep" family members like you and revel in the imaginary offense. hunter Sep 2022 #30

pnwmom

(109,419 posts)
3. Thank you, cilla4progress.
Sun Sep 25, 2022, 09:12 PM
Sep 2022

There are millions like me out there, of all ages. We're outraged by the "don't say gay" crowd on our parents' behalf -- but also on our own behalf. It hurts the kids of gay people, too -- whether they grew up with same-sex parents, or hiding in a closet with different-sex parents.

brush

(56,829 posts)
2. It's fiction and your parents are gone...
Sun Sep 25, 2022, 09:09 PM
Sep 2022

you and your sister both use your husbands' last name so there's little chance of anyone putting two and two together, but does the "own voice" biographical phrase conflict with it being entirely fictional?

Good luck with it btw. Getting published first time is hard to do.

pnwmom

(109,419 posts)
4. Yes, I will be revealing to the publisher that I had a gay father and a straight mother.
Sun Sep 25, 2022, 09:18 PM
Sep 2022

So that element is something my character and I have in common. But no one who knew my father would think I'd modeled the character after him; the plot isn't anything I went through; and the story is set on the opposite coast.

The mother does remind me of our mother; but in her last decade of life she was actually encouraging me to write about our family, so I know she'd have no problem with a novel.

magicarpet

(16,031 posts)
5. Being true to yourself is first and foremost.
Sun Sep 25, 2022, 09:28 PM
Sep 2022

Follow your heart and your mind.

Best of wishes in your journeys as an author.

MLAA

(18,370 posts)
7. Best of luck with your book! Keep us posted.
Sun Sep 25, 2022, 09:36 PM
Sep 2022

So sad your sister is weighed down by whatever unnecessary shame and fear she is holding to.

LoisB

(8,323 posts)
9. I think your sister will be so proud of "her sister, the author", she will forget to be sad and
Sun Sep 25, 2022, 09:40 PM
Sep 2022

ashamed. Good luck and follow your own path.

vercetti2021

(10,350 posts)
11. Hope it does great
Sun Sep 25, 2022, 10:03 PM
Sep 2022

My last post for a long time on DU. I wish you the best luck on your book. I'd love to read it someday

Tetrachloride

(8,352 posts)
13. Sounds like the book is more important than
Sun Sep 25, 2022, 10:54 PM
Sep 2022

the request of the sister.

I would not betray the request of a good family member. Loyalty comes before vanity for me. The pen name request is not a burden for me.

pnwmom

(109,419 posts)
14. So I have to stay closeted my whole life because my younger sister wants to remain in one?
Sun Sep 25, 2022, 11:12 PM
Sep 2022

I can't even write a novel with a gay parent?

This isn't about vanity. I'm an introvert who would just as soon keep hiding. But the book, if it comes out, will give me a platform I can use to discuss how "don't say gay" affects real, live, non-fictional children of gay people. Children who can't speak for themselves.

There are millions of us out there, of all different ages, and I rarely hear them mentioned. "Don't say gay" in Florida doesn't just impact teachers and gay students. It affects 7 year old children of gay people who are in real classrooms, whose teachers might get in trouble if there's a discussion of their two moms or two dads.

Tetrachloride

(8,352 posts)
15. That is your dilemma. i would use the pen name.
Sun Sep 25, 2022, 11:14 PM
Sep 2022

if your sister changes her mind, that’s the next road.

I myself keep the secrets of my friends and family if they are good people. And some of the bad ones too. I didn’t out a relative in public even they were a jerk. And the rest of my family didn’t out the relative either.

Another distant relative asked me to not out them no matter what.

pnwmom

(109,419 posts)
16. My agent explained that the publishers prefer REAL people, not pen names -- so that could be
Sun Sep 25, 2022, 11:28 PM
Sep 2022

a deal breaker. You can't help market a book anonymously.

My parents would have liked the book, and would have had no problem with my publishing under my real name. In fact, my mother told me often that I should write a memoir about our family.

And my other siblings are supportive. Why should one sister get veto power over the book being published?

Would you not publish at all if a publisher was only interested in someone who was willing to be "out" -- and you had a family member in another state, with another last name, who didn't want you to be?

progressoid

(50,549 posts)
17. Seems to me that the sister is creating an unnecessary burden.
Sun Sep 25, 2022, 11:35 PM
Sep 2022

Perhaps after all these years, she needs to deal with her own insecurities rather than imposing limits on loved ones.

niyad

(118,720 posts)
19. You are kidding, yes? "betray the request of a good family member"? Where did you
Sun Sep 25, 2022, 11:41 PM
Sep 2022

get that? That "good family member" is living a life of lies and fear, and wants everyone else to do the same. BS.

Tetrachloride

(8,352 posts)
23. I am not kidding.
Sun Sep 25, 2022, 11:48 PM
Sep 2022

I support my family to live their lives in private.

Tell me again that this is BS.

Hekate

(94,013 posts)
20. Pnwmom, you are a good soul
Sun Sep 25, 2022, 11:44 PM
Sep 2022

I only saw your OP because it was on the front page, and responded because I know you online and know you are a good and kind soul.

Follow that soul and follow the path you were meant to take. A completed book is a monumental personal accomplishment, and taking it into the world even more so. Use your own name — even if you caved in to your sister’s pressure, the sad fact is that she would always know. That burden is hers to carry, not yours.

In 2002 my dissertation was “published” as they say, but only in the world of academia. 250 pages of heart’s blood, sweat, and tears. There were several people who advised me to publish it in the real world, and my Advisor wanted to give me the name of his own agent. Given the nature of my graduate program and my topic, there was a lot of personal stuff in there.

While I was writing it, family members were so pleased, and insisted I send them copies when it was done. In my foolishness I did so. When my mother got her copy and started it, she went ballistic and stopped reading after 20 pages. Whatever it was she said to my siblings I don’t exactly know, only that I let my family crush me. To this day I cannot bring myself to reread it.

I had plenty to do in the antiwar movement from 2002 onwards, but I never contacted an agent or publisher.

Pnwmom, please do not let yourself be dissuaded. What you do matters to you, your kids, and anyone who reads your words.


PS: Please let us know when it comes out! 💕

pnwmom

(109,419 posts)
27. Thank you so much, Hekate, for reaching out!
Mon Sep 26, 2022, 12:13 AM
Sep 2022

I'll try to remember to let you know if I manage to find a home for this.

I'm so sorry about what happened to your dissertation. I hope you still have it somewhere. Have you considered letting your daughter read it?

Hekate

(94,013 posts)
29. I still have the hard copy signed by my Committee on my shelf at home, & 2 photocopies ...
Mon Sep 26, 2022, 02:06 AM
Sep 2022

Of course my grad school has another hardbound copy in its library. It has physical existence: once upon a time I did that.

I don’t think my daughter wants to read it, really. Her life is so complicated.

On the upside, very much the unexpected upside, my daughter started taking a program from some outfit called Landmark, and earlier this year I got a call out of the blue where she went full on into reconciliation mode. I was staggered. She had made some massive internal shift, and was owning her own part in our relationship.

My internal shifts had been more incremental over the last couple of years of solitude, but my subconscious had started floating up bits of meaningful things I already knew but had not exactly meditated deeply on. Pieces of the Serenity Prayer kept nudging me until I let go of my son, & understood that it is entirely up to him whether he wants to be in contact or not. Pieces of the Our Father kept nudging me until the two lines about forgiveness unfolded, and essentially told me, “Yes, everybody.”

So my shifts in consciousness met my daughter’s and we are now a family for the first time in many decades. It feels … miraculous. The Goddess smiled.

Warpy

(112,998 posts)
21. Beyond reassuring your sister that you'll use your married name
Sun Sep 25, 2022, 11:47 PM
Sep 2022

which is about all you can do, you've done enough. Beyond admitting that some of the novel is written from personal experience, you need to stress that it is a novel, and any resemblance to people alive or dead is pure coincidence, that you didn't write anyone into it.

Sister needs to know that, also. She might not accept it, but you will have tried.

It's a shame your mother did that kind of damage. It was so unnecessary.

Silly me, I thought gagging one's children stopped back in the 60s.

pnwmom

(109,419 posts)
26. I don't blame my mother. Imagine the life she had, growing up in her era,
Mon Sep 26, 2022, 12:06 AM
Sep 2022

going to Catholic schools that didn't even acknowledge that there was such a thing as gay people. Just sinners.

Both my parents were completely inexperienced when they married. By the time Mom figured out about Dad, they had had several babies together -- and she didn't have a career that would give her the means to be a single mother. So they stuck together while we kids were growing up.

As far as the shame being "so unnecessary." Maybe you've forgotten what it was like during the AIDS crisis. No one knew what was causing the disease, and people with AIDs were treated like lepers. I completely understand why she couldn't let go of the secret for years after the divorce.

But she, unlike my sister, was finally able to make her peace with everything. I remember when marriage equality was being debated, and she asked me what I thought. I told her that if same sex marriage was allowed, then gay men like Dad wouldn't be marrying straight women like her anymore. That was the lightbulb moment. After that she told all her friends that she supported gay marriage -- and for that reason.

niyad

(118,720 posts)
22. I am sooooo happy and excited for you! Looking forward to reading it. I am
Sun Sep 25, 2022, 11:47 PM
Sep 2022

sorry that your sister is still locked in the past, in lies and fear, but that is not your problem. She has no right to ask you to live in that same narrow world.

Be true to yourself.

hunter

(38,786 posts)
30. They all have "black sheep" family members like you and revel in the imaginary offense.
Mon Sep 26, 2022, 11:27 AM
Sep 2022

She'll have the time of her life bragging to all her church friends what a horrible sibling she has.

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