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hatrack

(63,804 posts)
Sat Oct 18, 2025, 10:01 AM Saturday

Facing Projected AI Demand Spike, 11 Governors In States Served By Largest Grid Operator Demanding More Authority

On a quiet road in Valley Forge, Pennsylvania, not far from the field where George Washington’s starving soldiers waited out the winter in 1778, sits the headquarters for PJM Interconnection, the largest electrical grid operator in the United States. Inside, operators wage war against inclement weather and power surges, ensuring that electricity is reliably delivered to 65 million customers across 13 states and the District of Columbia. The control board looks like something out of a disaster movie — covering the walls and stretching nearly from floor to ceiling — but, by design, it’s a pretty drama-free environment. As the U.S. grapples with a surge in electricity demand, however, that may be changing.

In late September, governors from 11 of PJM’s member states banded together in Philadelphia to demand a greater role in the grid’s energy decisions, given rapidly rising costs faced by their constituents. Some even threatened to walk away from the 13-state grid altogether. “We need states to have more of a say in how PJM operates,” said Governor Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania, who led the charge. “We need to move more quickly on energy-producing projects, and we’ve got to hold down costs. If PJM cannot do that, then Pennsylvania will look to go it alone.”

Pennsylvania is a net exporter of power and could, theoretically, pass a law forcing its generators to withdraw from the nonprofit and join a new grid operator, but that would require federal approval; plus, power generators would have to repay PJM for a mountain of payments the grid operator has already made. Shapiro’s bluster is more likely intended to force changes within PJM and secure a greater role for public officials in the grid they rely on. What the governors really want, in the end, is lower retail electricity prices. In fact, preventing the kinds of dramatic rate increases that customers are seeing now, as tech companies rush to build energy-hungry data centers, was the reason PJM was formed. Until about 30 years ago, U.S. electric utility companies controlled both the means of generating energy via power plants and the transmission and distribution systems that delivered that energy to customers. Rising prices in the ’80s and ’90s led many states to rule that utility companies could no longer own power plants, breaking the generators’ monopoly control within a given region. These moves came after the federal government took steps to open the nation’s grids to independent power generators that could compete with utility-owned plants.

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A report from the Union of Concerned Scientists found that ratepayers in seven data-center-friendly states within PJM’s territory were charged $4.4 billion for the transmission upgrades data centers require in order to come online. In Washington, D.C., for example, customers saw an average increase of $21 on their monthly electricity bills. Skyrocketing prices at PJM’s capacity auctions are a key factor putting pressure on consumer prices. In July, PJM announced that the cost of its most recent capacity auction had risen to $16.1 billion, up from only $2.2 billion just two years ago. This was, according to Monitoring Analytics, a PJM watchdog group, “almost entirely due to existing and projected large data center load additions to the PJM grid.” The group also pointed to “the extreme uncertainty in the load forecasts” as a “unique and unprecedented situation” that needs to be addressed. Monitoring Analytics and the Natural Resources Defense Council, or NRDC, have both suggested that PJM adopt a “bring your own generation” system, in which particularly electricity-gobbling customers like data centers would be obligated to build their own sources of power upfront, rather than draining the grid.

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https://grist.org/climate-energy/data-centers-electric-grids-pjm-operator-state-officials/

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Facing Projected AI Demand Spike, 11 Governors In States Served By Largest Grid Operator Demanding More Authority (Original Post) hatrack Saturday OP
Prediction: Less than 10 AI providers will survive by 2035-40. bucolic_frolic Saturday #1
More like 3 Bobstandard Saturday #2
Two of my least favorite organizations are commenting on the situation. NNadir Saturday #3
Increased demand from Data Centers is on a collision course with Trump's cutting Solar and Wind. thought crime Sunday #4

bucolic_frolic

(52,869 posts)
1. Prediction: Less than 10 AI providers will survive by 2035-40.
Sat Oct 18, 2025, 10:46 AM
Saturday

There will be sunk costs that no one can walk away from. Energy capacity will be part of that.

Did every auto maker survive? Every tractor maker? Computer, appliance maker?

There's a thirst for learning from AI right now. Won't always be that way.

Bobstandard

(2,058 posts)
2. More like 3
Sat Oct 18, 2025, 11:00 AM
Saturday

In many industries there are just three main players once that industry matures. See Al Reid and Jack Trout’s work on marketing to understand why, though not an immutable law, this is largely correct.

NNadir

(36,779 posts)
3. Two of my least favorite organizations are commenting on the situation.
Sat Oct 18, 2025, 04:52 PM
Saturday

The "Union of Concerned 'Scientists'" is a rote antinuclear organization, and the so called "Natural Resources Defense Council" has never seen a wilderness it didn't want to convert into an industrial park for wind and/or solar industrial plants.

As for power lines, hooking up redundant power plants to leave the lights on when the wind isn't blowing and the sun isn't shining requires a lot of copper.

We do need more power on the PJM grid that is both reliable and clean. There is only one form of energy that fits the bill, the one to which the "Union of Concerned 'Scientists'" has knee-jerk and specious objections, nuclear power.

We need to replace the Oyster Creek nuclear reactor in New Jersey and build a few more beyond that.

thought crime

(857 posts)
4. Increased demand from Data Centers is on a collision course with Trump's cutting Solar and Wind.
Sun Oct 19, 2025, 07:58 PM
Sunday

We may endure an economic crisis driven by the AI & Data Science need for electricity, but the tech sector development will eventually result in increased investment in the Offshore Industry's ability to vastly increase the supply of electricity via floating offshore wind turbines and solar facilities. Because the issue is global, there will be plenty of examples of innovative solutions from Asia, Europe and Africa to show that the supply of clean energy is effectively limitless. And the latest trend toward P2X (Power-to-X) using electricity generated at the wind/solar site converted to hydrogen as an alternative to transmission to shore will boost the hydrogen economy needed for electric vehicles, etc. and will eliminate the false argument that renewables require grids to use redundant fossil fuel generators.

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