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mahatmakanejeeves

(67,295 posts)
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 05:54 PM Jun 2023

World's largest hydrogen train fleet still not fully operational six months after service began

Fri Mar 17, 2023: Smithsonian Magazine: North America's First Hydrogen-Powered Train Will Debut This Summer

Wed Sep 21, 2022: Stadler unveils first hydrogen train for U.S., announces order for up to 29 more

Wed Aug 24, 2022: The world's first hydrogen-powered passenger trains are here

The 'misery' line | World’s largest hydrogen train fleet still not fully operational six months after service began

German transport authority will provide free travel for two months to compensate fed-up passengers for the ‘incredible amount of bad public transport’

7 June 2023 8:01 GMT UPDATED 7 June 2023 8:32 GMT
By Leigh Collins

A new €500m ($530m) fleet of 27 hydrogen trains was scheduled to be in operation on four railway lines to the German city of Frankfurt last December, but only 12 trains are currently in use on one line, with the full complement not expected to be ready until September at the earliest. ... The ongoing saga reads like a comedy of errors.

The first six Coradia iLint H2 trains delivered by manufacturer Alstom last year proved to be defective — requiring retrofitting of new hardware and software components — although two did go into service on the RB15 line on the planned start date, 11 December 2022. ... Then, many of the diesel locomotives brought in as temporary replacements for the missing trains also had problems, forcing the local rail operator, Start Deutschland, to put on a replacement bus service that has now been in place for the past six months — the cost of which is apparently being charged to Alstom.

Local press also reported difficulties with the new hydrogen refuelling station in the winter, but Hydrogen Insight was unable to verify those. ... According to RMV, the local-authority-owned transport authority that ordered the hydrogen trains, diesel locomotives have finally been removed from the RB15 line, with the 12 functioning H2 trains sufficient for its operation.

However, the bus replacement service is still needed on the mountainous route — but not for a lack of working trains. ... The months of problems and lack of working trains — not to mention the inability to train some of the drivers on the new H2 locomotives due to a lack of them being available — meant that shifts could not be planned, and the uncertainty has proved too much for many employees.

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World's largest hydrogen train fleet still not fully operational six months after service began (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2023 OP
Meanwhile... Caribbeans Jun 2023 #1
Where does it run? By the way, your first picture shows equipment that went into service in 2007. mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2023 #2
This is great! Think. Again. Jun 2023 #4
Why am I not surprised to hear soothsaying represented as if... NNadir Jun 2023 #5
What a mess.. Think. Again. Jun 2023 #3

Caribbeans

(1,285 posts)
1. Meanwhile...
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 06:54 PM
Jun 2023

China Becomes First Country in Asia to Launch Hydrogen Powered Train (Jan 4, 2023)

China's CRRC Corporation Ltd. Launched a hydrogen urban train, and it is the first in Asia and the second such train in the world.



India will get its first-ever Indigenous Hydrogen trains by December 2023. Railway Minister Ashwini Vaishnav informed that Indian Railways is working on new environment-friendly trains and the engineers are designing them.

Leigh Collins and his "Hydrogen Insight" hate hydrogen and attempt to bash it as often as possible.

But he has failed, the more he writes about how bad hydrogen is - the more projects are announced.

No one - not Leigh - or anyone else- can stop the Hydrogen Energy Revolution now. No one.

Ask China (a nation that can build hydrogen infrastructure while the US says "it can't be done" )



How's that battery powered Tesla Semi doing, speaking of "delays" ??

mahatmakanejeeves

(67,295 posts)
2. Where does it run? By the way, your first picture shows equipment that went into service in 2007.
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 07:44 PM
Jun 2023

Last edited Thu Jun 8, 2023, 08:50 PM - Edit history (1)

In the picture you posted, it's hard to make out the overhead wires. On the railroad, these wires are called catenary. They provide electric power for the train in the picture. It runs on electricity.

Here's another view, this time with the wires more clearly visible.


China Railway High-speed



CRH2



CRH2C and CRH3C at Tianjin railway station

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China Railway CRH2



CRH2 at Nanjing railway station

In service: 2007–present
Electric system(s): 25 kV 50 Hz AC Overhead catenary

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Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
4. This is great!
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 08:46 PM
Jun 2023

These photos show China was running modern high speed electric trains as far back as 2011 and according to Reuters the percentage of thier renewable electric sources will grow to 33% of their total grid by 2035.

https://www.reuters.com/business/sustainable-business/china-says-third-electricity-will-come-renewables-by-2025-2022-06-01/

I can see why they are also beginning to run H2 trains for difficult to electrify areas.

They really are way ahead of us when it comes to moving away from fossil fuels.

NNadir

(36,834 posts)
5. Why am I not surprised to hear soothsaying represented as if...
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 08:02 PM
Jun 2023

...it is superior to reality?

What is interesting about this German exercise in hydrogen stupidity is that it's chemical industry cut off ammonia supplies to Africa because they couldn't get dangerous natural gas from their pal Putin to make hydrogen.

Happily the dirty junk doesn't work.

Africa depended on the ammonia for fertilizer, and here we have cute hydrogen toys squandering energy to satisfy a dopey fantasy that rears its dirty head again, 20 years after it died a well deserved death.

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
3. What a mess..
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 07:46 PM
Jun 2023

They couldn't get MANY of the diesel locomotives to stay functioning???

And the toilets don't work? How basic is that?

Even the electronic schedule signs don't work?

No wonder the staff is quitting! Who's running this show and why aren't they just using electric trains on an electrified track rather than trial-running new tech on a busy rail line???

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